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Shoshana
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One sees clearly only with the heart;
anything essential is invisible to the eyes.
- *The Little Prince
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‘L’important c’est la rose’
One sees clearly only with the heart;
anything essential is invisible to the eyes.
- *The Little Prince
Fyodor Dostoevsky - The Brothers Karamazov, Crime & Punishment, Notes from Underground, The Idiot. Dark fiction, but philosophical, pointing to the meaninglessness of life in society which banishes God.
I just went apoplectic. Ugh Dostoevsky for fun… I think I had violent flashbacks to sophomore year lit. I think I picked up the Cliffs Notes and used the actual books as coasters and then ritually burned those pieces of(insert string of curse words here). That class gave me nightmares. I have 4 other classes to take and you expect me to read and digest and analyze that shudder Sometimes I hate proffessors
Did you have any of these reservations at the time of selling your books? If so, that should have been the light-bulb moment to NOT sell the books. But if you didn’t at that time, then don’t worry about it. If you are worried about it right now, just confess it to a priest. I don’t know if the priest will tell you not to worry about it but if he does then that would be your “release” from this worry that you have.This brings up something I’ve been worried about lately. I recently sold some books by Catholic authors that are a bit unorthodox, which I read years ago (Bede Griffiths, Wayne Teasdale, Meister Eckhart). I sold them to a used book store a couple months ago. Now those books could have been passed on to some who could be seduced by their errors. Would I be somewhat responsible for this? Should I have burned the books, or thrown them away instead? It bothers me.
You’re most welcome. All for the Glory of God. :bowdown2:Thank you for this. This was well stated and quite correct. It is an aspect that many “free-speech” worshipers fail to consider.
What is more, the sources you quotes got their information from the Saints and Doctors of the Church, like St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Francis de Sales. While all of these great saints read herectical and non-Christian literature, they did it with the intent of refuting it or learning more about it to better refute the teachings. It was never idle entertainment.
I realize that you could discern for yourself if that’s what you say and that’s great. I guess you didn’t read and understand my post completely.It is quite complicated in that to live a “fishbowl” existance with others of “like” mindset, whether it be “political”, “religious”, “family values”, “morality”… a person has basically closed themselves off of independent thought. One I believe is granted by the Holy Spirit to discern good from evil. Basic “instinct” if you will. I can’t live in a fishbowl…it’s not “wont”, it’s can’t. … I have the ability to “stand up” for myself, knowing that I may be eaten at any time. I would not regret my thoughts or expressions.
Since you can decide for yourself and not for others then you can read what you want if you are certain in your faith and could never have any doubts whatsoever. I find that hard to believe completely because it’s possible that you sometimes don’t realize that you can slowly change some practices in your faith because of reading such books. But my main concern would be that if you recommend non-Orthodox books or heretical books to someone, you have no way of knowing someone’s mind and/or heart after they read such materials. And since you don’t know, it would be better not to recommend any of these books to anyone.I’m sure you are all very faithful and don’t doubt your faith; but can you really say that if you recommend certain books that are not in accord with our Catholic faith to someone, that the “someone” will not have any doubts whatsoever? You don’t know for sure what will go on in the minds of different people no matter how well you know someone. I would rather just play it safe and not recommend any books that are questionable to anyone.
Right here it shows that you misunderstood my post. For one, the Apostles were sure in their faith because they had Jesus. Two, they would never recommend anything to any Christian that would be heretical. And that was part of the point of my post.If the Apostles thought as you express…they would have told Jesus,…that they needed to stay together and evangelize within their own group. But they were told, “I send out as sheep among wolves…if your not accepted, dust the dirt off your shoes, and move on.”
I don’t think there is such a thing as “wayyyyy over the right side.” I would think of writings like that to be traditional. The point that you have, that they would be way over the right side, would just be your opinion.By reading “what I want”…I have, and yes, I have read some that are wayyyyyy over the left side…and I tossed them out. And likewise, I have read books that are wayyyyy over the right side…and tossed them as well.
You probably feel this way because you read a lot of fiction? I don’t know what you read but that could possibly be the reason. I’m not a “fiction” person myself. I like reading reference and history and yes accounts of Saints rather then read anything fiction.I find it difficult to read books about saints who died hundreds or a thousand years ago, because their thoughts and ideals were relevant to the time in which they wrote. Difficult to hold my attention span. Historically, the books are fine, but I’m not into reading history as pleasure.
Who said I was content in a fishbowl??!! I never said that! As far as you liking to be in an ocean, more power to you. I would just be very careful because Satan is a lot more intelligent than you. He knows you better than you know yourself and I just want you to be careful out there. I say it out of genuine concern and not to insult you.I thank you for your thoughts and links on the matter, I am not offended, upset or ready to cause a fuss about it. You are content in the fishbowl, and I am content in the ocean.
Books about Saints are not History books.I have to agree…History is not my idea of fun reading…
Ah man…this brings back way too many memories. I am french and this book has always been a source of wonder and awe…
‘L’important c’est la rose’
Rach620;1790346:
, Crime & Punishment, Notes from Underground, The Idiot. Dark fiction, but philosophical, pointing to the meaninglessness of life in society which banishes God.Fyodor Dostoevsky - The Brothers Karamazov
I just went apoplectic. Ugh Dostoevsky for fun… I think I had violent flashbacks to sophomore year lit. I think I picked up the Cliffs Notes and used the actual books as coasters and then ritually burned those pieces of(insert string of curse words here). That class gave me nightmares. I have 4 other classes to take and you expect me to read and digest and analyze that shudder Sometimes I hate proffessors
I didn’t mean to say Dostoevsky is fun. He’s not. Seeing the nihilism of his works and the utter destruction it brings to those who espouse it is important, though. Only recommended to the reader who won’t, upon reading him, sing the praises of nihilism and existentialism (apparently he was one of Nietzsche’s favorites).
But perhaps he doesn’t belong on the list of Catholic authors. I knew he had a conversion experience (he was part of an insurgent plot to kill the czar, was sentenced to death by firing squad, dug his own grave and was ready to be shot when at the last minute he received a reprieve and was sent to Siberia. On the train platform to Siberia, a woman pressed a copy of the Bible into his hands–it was all he had to read for several years, and it turned him from his radical ways), but it was to Russian Orthodoxy… but as far as his literature is concerned, that’s enough![]()
Books about saints are interesting enough. I’d rather read the books by saints, thoughBooks about Saints are not History books.
well they are not fiction eitherBooks about Saints are not History books.
That is one aspect of this issue and I think an important aspect. I am thinking of this:I’m sure you are all very faithful and don’t doubt your faith; but can you really say that if you recommend certain books that are not in accord with our Catholic faith to someone, that the “someone” will not have any doubts whatsoever? You don’t know for sure what will go on in the minds of different people no matter how well you know someone. I would rather just play it safe and not recommend any books that are questionable to anyone.
1783 Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.
So, conscience is not simply an instinct that is always correct. It must be educated, informed, to make right decisions. Reading heterodox material, without a critical eye and informed conscience, could easily lead one astray.1792 Ignorance of Christ and his Gospel, bad example given by others, enslavement to one’s passions, assertion of a mistaken notion of autonomy of conscience, rejection of the Church’s authority and her teaching, lack of conversion and of charity: these can be at the source of errors of judgment in moral conduct.
If I feel that a book I’m trying to get rid of would be harmful to someone else I usually throw it away rather than sell or donate it. I have no place to safely make a real fire, so I never burn things (and really that seems a bit over the top to me). I have donated books with a Protestant worldview, because they do have true Christian information, even if it isn’t the whole truth. But since I have never owned any virulant anti-Catholic stuff, I haven’t been worried about that.This brings up something I’ve been worried about lately. I recently sold some books by Catholic authors that are a bit unorthodox, which I read years ago (Bede Griffiths, Wayne Teasdale, Meister Eckhart). I sold them to a used book store a couple months ago. Now those books could have been passed on to some who could be seduced by their errors. Would I be somewhat responsible for this? Should I have burned the books, or thrown them away instead? It bothers me.
Definitely fiction as it ought to be–in its beauty, we can glimpse the beauty of He who is every word (and the Word’s!) Author.
OldAgeGuru;1790961:
Dostoevsky a nihilist? You have badly misread him. Did you read *The Demons *(sometimes translated as The Posessed)?I didn’t mean to say Dostoevsky is fun. He’s not. Seeing the nihilism of his works and the utter destruction it brings to those who espouse it is important, though. Only recommended to the reader who won’t, upon reading him, sing the praises of nihilism and existentialism (apparently he was one of Nietzsche’s favorites).
Or perhaps I misunderstood you.
Edwin
I’m sorry you feel that way. Sometimes nightmares are healthy. We need fiction that plumbs the darkness, because the darkness is there inside us. We won’t get rid of it by ignoring it.I just went apoplectic. Ugh Dostoevsky for fun… I think I had violent flashbacks to sophomore year lit. I think I picked up the Cliffs Notes and used the actual books as coasters and then ritually burned those pieces of(insert string of curse words here). That class gave me nightmares. I have 4 other classes to take and you expect me to read and digest and analyze that shudder Sometimes I hate proffessors
You should have sent them to me. I’m already corrupted with all sorts of heretical ideasThis brings up something I’ve been worried about lately. I recently sold some books by Catholic authors that are a bit unorthodox, which I read years ago (Bede Griffiths, Wayne Teasdale, Meister Eckhart). I sold them to a used book store a couple months ago. Now those books could have been passed on to some who could be seduced by their errors. Would I be somewhat responsible for this? Should I have burned the books, or thrown them away instead?
Rach620;1791282:
(sometimes translated as The Posessed)?Dostoevsky a nihilist? You have badly misread him. Did you read *The Demons *
Or perhaps I misunderstood you.
Edwin
Nope, Dostoevsky isn’t a nihilist. Some of his characters are, though (I’m thinking of the Underground Man. Haven’t read The Demons.) He uses them to show the problems brought by ‘enlightement’.
Oh I so agree…he is the best Poirot
I do confess to a certain weakness for David Suchet playing Hercule Poirot!![]()
Same here! :yup:Books about saints are interesting enough. I’d rather read the books by saints, though.