Which church contains the "all truth" that Christ promised us?

[ahimsaman72]

Randell:

I would trust 2000 years of interpretation through apostles, profits, and saints over you. This intrepatation has not changed in the BODY of the church. You may have heard Catholics themselves interpreting it different, but the Church itself has not misinterpretated it because it was handed to her through Paul the first pope of the RC church, whom Jesus entrusted. Who backs all the interpretations you have?

Actually, I would trust 2000 years of factual and ancient New Testament manuscripts that were written by the apostles and eyewitnesses as they were guided and inspired by the Holy Spirit to write. Those manuscripts have changed little in that amount of time and have no other agenda but to proclaim the true gospel of Jesus Christ. God-breathed Scripture has no ulterior motives. Men who came after the Scripture was written had agendas and ulterior motives and lacked authority to proclaim official Christian doctrines as the Roman Church has done.

Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament and the gospel he presented through the Holy Spirit is different than the gospel espoused by the Roman Church. He and the other writers of the New Testament explained the truth as the Holy Spirit led them. Scripture has no equal and needs no interpreter. Whether you accept it or not, you have interpretations, I have interpretations, the Pope has interpretations, we all have interpretations. Does interpretation equal sin or silliness or non-truth? No.

 

[Catholic4aReasn]

Originally Posted by Catholic4aReasn
*Hi ahimsaman72!

How can one be certain that one is accurately understanding the truth?
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ahimsaman72:

I could ask you the same question. How do you know you are? By the papacy? You are relying on something outside of yourself, just like me. You claim truth is found in the RCC, I claim truth is found in the Bible.

This doesn’t answer the question that I asked.

In Christ,
Nancy

 

[Catholic4aReasn]

ahimsaman72:

The Bible is simply God’s word given to men as a revelation to all mankind. In and of itself, it is God’s word and is understandable.

How can one be certain that one is understanding scripture?

I agree that the Bible is God’s word, but not that it contains every word that comes from the mouth of God, which is what the Bible says we are to live by (De. 8:3).

The real purpose of Christianity itself is the revelation of Jesus Christ as the Son of God who takes away the sin of the world. That gospel of Jesus Christ is found in Scripture. That gospel saves. No other gospel will do, not the gospel according to Rome, not the gospel according to John Calvin, not your gospel or mine.

I don’t think anyone has suggested that the Gospel is not in the bible.

I’m finding from our conversation that we’re agreeing that truth is knowable. What I’m trying to understand is your view on how.

In Christ,
Nancy

 

[Catholic4aReasn]

ahimsaman72:

Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament and the gospel he presented through the Holy Spirit is different than the gospel espoused by the Roman Church…

Hi ahimsaman72!

I think it would be more accurate to state that your personal understanding of the gospel that Paul presented is different than your understanding of the gospel espoused by the Catholic Church.

In Christ,
Nancy

 

[ahimsaman72]

Catholic4aReasn:

Hi ahimsaman72!

I think it would be more accurate to state that your personal understanding of the gospel that Paul presented is different than your understanding of the gospel espoused by the Catholic Church.

In Christ,
Nancy

Hi Nancy!!!

Yes, everything that comes out of my mouth should be considered as opinion.

Peace…

 

[ahimsaman72]

Catholic4aReasn:

How can one be certain that one is understanding scripture?

Realistically, the Bible must be taken from Genesis to Revelation as a complete unit. If it is written in English you can understand it. My position is that there are some things that can be taken as absolute. There are some things crystal clear and that are repeated over and over. For example, the fact that God exists, He has a Son, Jesus Christ and God’s Son died on the cross for the sins of mankind. Other items are not so clear. For example, the passage that speaks of the Baptism of the Dead. I’ve not seen any church, outside of the LDS Church, that has dealt with that issue with any kind of understanding.

I agree that the Bible is God’s word, but not that it contains every word that comes from the mouth of God, which is what the Bible says we are to live by (De. 8:3).

I don’t think anyone has suggested that the Gospel is not in the bible.

I’m finding from our conversation that we’re agreeing that truth is knowable. What I’m trying to understand is your view on how.

In Christ,
Nancy

I believe the gospel of Jesus Christ saves people as the Bible points out. Since therefore, the gospel of Jesus is in the Bible and is able to convert the repentant sinner, there is no need for further truth, although I want as much as possible.

 

[Catholic4aReasn]

ahimsaman72:

Realistically, the Bible must be taken from Genesis to Revelation as a complete unit. If it is written in English you can understand it.

Hi ahimsaman72!

Yes, as we’ve agreed several time, knowledge/understanding is possible. How can one be certain that he is understanding?

In Christ,
Nancy

 

[RBushlow]

Randell:

You should have stated that it was given to Paul. Which was RC first pope.

First my pet peeve. Please do not use RC, the Catholic Church is the universal Church, including Byzantine, Maronite, Melkite, Coptic, and other Catholics, not just Roman rite. And if you are still going to use the term, please spell it out Roman Catholic.

Secondly, Paul was never a Pope.

May God go with you.

 

[ahimsaman72]

Catholic4aReasn:

Hi ahimsaman72!

Yes, as we’ve agreed several time, knowledge/understanding is possible. How can one be certain that he is understanding?

In Christ,
Nancy

You see what others before you have thought about the matter. If I am unsure about something I go to a commentary or see what other pastors and teachers have said about the issue. In the end, you have to use the sense God gave you and base your decision on evidence and in the end - faith on that evidence.

 

[Catholic4aReasn]

Originally Posted by Catholic4aReasn
*Hi ahimsaman72!

Yes, as we’ve agreed several time, knowledge/understanding is possible. How can one be certain that he is understanding?
*

ahimsaman72:

You see what others before you have thought about the matter.

Hi ahimsaman72!

No, I don’t see what others think about the matter. No non-Catholic Christian has ever once answered the question for me. Will you?

In Christ,
Nancy

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Catholic4aReasn:

Originally Posted by Catholic4aReasn
*Hi ahimsaman72!

Yes, as we’ve agreed several time, knowledge/understanding is possible. How can one be certain that he is understanding?
*

Hi ahimsaman72!

No, I don’t see what others think about the matter. No non-Catholic Christian has ever once answered the question for me. Will you?

In Christ,
Nancy

Hi Nancy, Ill answer for you. Because the Spirit of God reveals wisdom and understanding to those who walk in His ways. This is a process and a walk.

 

[ahimsaman72]

Catholic4aReasn:

Originally Posted by Catholic4aReasn
*Hi ahimsaman72! *

Yes, as we’ve agreed several time, knowledge/understanding is possible. How can one be certain that he is understanding?

Hi ahimsaman72!

No, I don’t see what others think about the matter. No non-Catholic Christian has ever once answered the question for me. Will you?

In Christ,
Nancy

You don’t think others have spiritual knowledge that you could learn from? I’d be the first to tell you that I don’t have all the answers. As a matter of fact, there are many things we will never know the answer to - like evil in the world, why do bad things happen to God’s people, etc. Only God knows some things.

Catholics claim protestants are so narrow-minded and claim infallibility for themselves, but it seems that Catholics hold that concept more than protestants. You don’t seek out others for direction when you are stumped. I do. I believe God has placed many experienced and knowledgeable people on earth and He uses those people (whether they recognize it or not) to help their fellow Christians.

 

[Catholic4aReasn]

Hi SPOKENWORD!

Hi Nancy, Ill answer for you. Because the Spirit of God reveals wisdom and understanding to those who walk in His ways. This is a process and a walk.

Well, thank you for that answer!!!

In light of all the conficting and contradictory ideas out there, with each individual seeming to be certain that’s he’s understanding the truth, how can one be sure that he is?

In Christ,
Nancy

 

[Catholic4aReasn]

ahimsaman72:

You don’t think others have spiritual knowledge that you could learn from? I’d be the first to tell you that I don’t have all the answers. As a matter of fact, there are many things we will never know the answer to - like evil in the world, why do bad things happen to God’s people, etc. Only God knows some things.

Catholics claim protestants are so narrow-minded and claim infallibility for themselves, but it seems that Catholics hold that concept more than protestants. You don’t seek out others for direction when you are stumped. I do. I believe God has placed many experienced and knowledgeable people on earth and He uses those people (whether they recognize it or not) to help their fellow Christians.

Hi ahimsaman72!

I was just trying to get an understanding for what you were thinking.

In Christ,
Nancy

 

[MariaG]

Actually, the Catholic Church officially recognizes the fact that other religions can have truth to them. Just not the whole truth.

Your sister in Christ,
maria

 

[Dismas2004]

Catholic4aReasn:

Hi Dismas2004!

I think you may be missing the point of my question. In bringing up that truth which has not been revealed to mankind you are changing the focus of my question. I’d like to try to stay on topic here.

In Christ,
Nancy

Hi Nancy;

Maybe you can help me to understand the questions better. From what I see of your question, you are asking us, which church on Earth (from the choices you give) possess ALL truth. The assumptio being that there is a church on earth that possesses it ALL. I don’t agree. I think there is a church on earth and only one, that Christ ordained to be lead to ALL truth. As Scripture says in John 16:12-13

“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth.”

That day does not come to us until we die, or the second coming, which ever comes first.

I think I understand where you are trying to go with this, and yes it is the Catholic Church that WILL possess ALL truth, and ONLY the Catholic Church will possess ALL truth. Does it now, nope! Only one of the three, Militant, Triumphant, and Suffering do “right now” and that would be, as I stated orginally, the Church Triumphant! Praise Be to God!

Does this mean that other churches can not possess truth, Nope, But it does mean they can NOT possess ALL truth, for if they did, they would cease to be a different chruch, they would be one, holy, catholic, and apolostolic!

Hip Hip Horay! Let’s Hear it for the big guy JC! Thanks friend!

 

[Catholic4aReasn]

Dismas2004:

Hi Nancy;

Maybe you can help me to understand the questions better. From what I see of your question, you are asking us, which church on Earth (from the choices you give) possess ALL truth. The assumptio being that there is a church on earth that possesses it ALL. I don’t agree. I think there is a church on earth and only one, that Christ ordained to be lead to ALL truth. As Scripture says in John 16:12-13

“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth.”

That day does not come to us until we die, or the second coming, which ever comes first.

I think I understand where you are trying to go with this, and yes it is the Catholic Church that WILL possess ALL truth, and ONLY the Catholic Church will possess ALL truth. Does it now, nope! Only one of the three, Militant, Triumphant, and Suffering do “right now” and that would be, as I stated orginally, the Church Triumphant! Praise Be to God!

Does this mean that other churches can not possess truth, Nope, But it does mean they can NOT possess ALL truth, for if they did, they would cease to be a different chruch, they would be one, holy, catholic, and apolostolic!

Hip Hip Horay! Let’s Hear it for the big guy JC! Thanks friend!

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