Which church is God's true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

[Namesake]

You used the words effrontery and confrontational as though you now know who I am as a person based on a small paragraph I wrote on this forum. I am a very humble person who is always careful as not to draw attention to myself because it is not about me. Christ established the proper way of worship and sacrifice and no amount of disbelief on your part makes what I wrote less true. You dont need to take my word for it. In fact, I ask you to read and study the New Testament and see where Jesus lets those who dont believe simply walk away.
Have a great day and please e-mail me any time you want.

The insults aren’t personal, they are institutional. The RCC pushes the insults.

Study of Christian scripture doesn’t do much to convince a devout non-Christian. Just because that old book says so doesn’t make it so, and just because the Catholic church says it’s so doesn’t make it so.

If you want to believe it that’s fine, but if I want to believe something different, that old book doesn’t give you or the RCC license to cast aspersion upon me. Or preferably, shouldn’t.

 

[Namesake]

… and we wish you would stop denying the truth, and join the one, true Church which is the only one that Jesus the Christ built.

Throughout history, people have turned toward false gods, there were false messiahs, there was a false queen of heaven, there have been many claims of the true Church, obviously many of which were overstating their position and one was not. None of these false practices or claims prohibit there from being still One True God, One True Messiah, One True Queen of Heaven, and One True Church. These are true realities that I hold dear, and for which I am eternally grateful to our Lord.

That you deny the truth, doesn’t change that these are true. It simply establishes your relationship to the truth as told by God.

Since religion has been invented by people since early on in human history and only recently has the truth been available what do you suppose happened to the souls of all those people before the RCC came to be?

Didn’t God love them as much as He loves you? What took Him so long? He could have saved them too because He is a loving all powerful and all knowing God, right? So did He save them even though there was no way for them to know Him and they believed in different sorts of religions? I wonder how many millions of human beings that might be? Maybe billions?

If He saved them then their false ideas worked out OK even though they were false because God loved them anyway. Had to be that way otherwise that loving God would have an obligation to give some information to those poor ignorant Neanderthals and since He didn’t as far as we know they must be saved anyway. And they couldn’t have sinned unless they knew they were sinning and if no one told them about what the rules were they didn’t know an better.

 

[MDK]

Since religion has been invented by people since early on in human history and only recently has the truth been available what do you suppose happened to the souls of all those people before the RCC came to be?

Didn’t God love them as much as He loves you? What took Him so long? He could have saved them too because He is a loving all powerful and all knowing God, right? So did He save them even though there was no way for them to know Him and they believed in different sorts of religions? I wonder how many millions of human beings that might be? Maybe billions?

If He saved them then their false ideas worked out OK even though they were false because God loved them anyway. Had to be that way otherwise that loving God would have an obligation to give some information to those poor ignorant Neanderthals and since He didn’t as far as we know they must be saved anyway. And they couldn’t have sinned unless they knew they were sinning and if no one told them about what the rules were they didn’t know an better.

In simple words, the more you know, the more you are held responsible. By nature, humans are religious beings, with a need for God that only He can fill. Before knowing God, people made false religions. Over the course of time, God revealed Himself to man, creating covenants including gradually greater numbers of people and significance (Adam and Eve, then Noah and family, then Abraham and tribe, then Moses and tribes, then David and Tribal Kingdom, then Christ and worldwide family). At the fullness of time, God sent His only begotten Son to the world to establish the greatest of the covenants, the New and Everalsing Covenant as a worldwide blessing for His family. Now, we have revelation of God, and the Church He established for His worldwide family. God has perfect judgement, so He alone knows which person(s) would make it to Heaven. However, if one is invinceably ignorant, they are not held accountable for something they didn’t know. For those who are exposed to the truth, and who reject it, there are consequences. For those who love God, and remain in friendship with God, He has told us that there are blessings and everlasting life with Him. God does everything in His time, and perfectly. I recommend you actually read the Catechism of the Catholic Church to see the teachings on salvation, rather than have me spoon feed you. This would be a sign of seeking God, rather than scoffing.

 

[Namesake]

In simple words, the more you know, the more you are held responsible. By nature, humans are religious beings, with a need for God that only He can fill. Before knowing God, people made false religions. Over the course of time, God revealed Himself to man, creating covenants including gradually greater numbers of people and significance (Adam and Eve, then Noah and family, then Abraham and tribe, then Moses and tribes, then David and Tribal Kingdom, then Christ and worldwide family). At the fullness of time, God sent His only begotten Son to the world to establish the greatest of the covenants, the New and Everalsing Covenant as a worldwide blessing for His family. Now, we have revelation of God, and the Church He established for His worldwide family. God has perfect judgement, so He alone knows which person(s) would make it to Heaven. However, if one is invinceably ignorant, they are not held accountable for something they didn’t know. For those who are exposed to the truth, and who reject it, there are consequences. For those who love God, and remain in friendship with God, He has told us that there are blessings and everlasting life with Him. God does everything in His time, and perfectly. I recommend you actually read the Catechism of the Catholic Church to see the teachings on salvation, rather than have me spoon feed you. This would be a sign of seeking God, rather than scoffing.

How arrogant. I have read the catechism a lot. I certainly do not want to be spoon fed.

It also seems arrogant to presume that what the RCC represents is the be all end all of the evolution of religion considering that religion has been developing for many millenniums before the RCC came to be. Biological evolution hasn’t stopped so why would religious evolution stop? Why would religion stay the same for millions of years if species continue to change?

 

[cheese_sdc]

knock knock

Who’s there?

 

[Hobble]

Who’s there?

Well, this was for MDK. But the answer is, Reality.

 

[MDK]

How arrogant. I have read the catechism a lot. I certainly do not want to be spoon fed.

It also seems arrogant to presume that what the RCC represents is the be all end all of the evolution of religion considering that religion has been developing for many millenniums before the RCC came to be. Biological evolution hasn’t stopped so why would religious evolution stop? Why would religion stay the same for millions of years if species continue to change?

If you knew the Catechism like you implied you do, then you would not have asked the question you did. Also, if you had a humble heart, you would understand what I am saying and doing, rather than slinging inappropriate labels.

This is simply the way God revealed Himself and built His Church. I brought you the truth, so you’ll have to take up your grievance with God’s plan directly with Him. I will tell you, though that you won’t win. Besides, God is completely deserving of our love, trust and worship… our complete dedication to Him.

The idea of an evolution concept really doesn’t apply to how God revealed His love and laws to us. Revelation does. It’s from God.

The topic of biological evolution is for a different board. While you’re going to that board, I will ask you to please consider though, why no inbetween types have ever been found in fossils. Evolution is a theory.

 

[ckempston]

How arrogant. I have read the catechism a lot. I certainly do not want to be spoon fed.

The Catechism deals with the very question you asked…

It also seems arrogant to presume that what the RCC represents is the be all end all of the evolution of religion considering that religion has been developing for many millenniums before the RCC came to be. Biological evolution hasn’t stopped so why would religious evolution stop? Why would religion stay the same for millions of years if species continue to change?

Has man changed all that much? I read the Bible, and even other ancient documents, and it doesn’t seem that we’ve changed all that much. Cain killed his brother out of jealousy, then the punishment was too harsh for him and he whined about it. Sounds like a modern day criminal to me.

 

[Hobble]

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The topic of biological evolution is for a different board. While you’re going to that board, I will ask you to please consider though, why no inbetween types have ever been found in fossils. Evolution is a theory.**

They have found bones and settlements of neanderthals actually. They’re not old enough to be fossilized.

They’ve found body bones, and skulls, so much evidence that scientists have been able to figure out what their voices sounded like from the shape of their throats and chests.

I think evolution is just amazing and complex enough to be justified as the work of God.

It’s not just a theory, we can see the evidence. Monkeys are evolving right before our eyes, during the past century they began making spears for hunting, and learning how to be more self sufficient. And animal like the Cat never used to meow, it only started meowing to communicate with us.

 

[MDK]

They have found bones and settlements of neanderthals actually. They’re not old enough to be fossilized.

They’ve found body bones, and skulls, so much evidence that scientists have been able to figure out what their voices sounded like from the shape of their throats and chests.

While you’re going to the other board that discusses this… please keep in mind that this is not an inbetween type. Why do you think they call it Neanderthal man, or early man? And, yes, there are fossilized remains.

 

[MDK]

It’s not just a theory, we can see the evidence. Monkeys are evolving right before our eyes, during the past century they began making spears for hunting, and learning how to be more self sufficient. And animal like the Cat never used to meow, it only started meowing to communicate with us.

Simply enough… a monkey is a monkey, and a cat is a cat. Have there been any discoveries of humans appearing in the monkey cages at the zoo, whilst they can’t find the monkey? Please take it to another board.

 

[Hobble]

While you’re going to the other board that discusses this… please keep in mind that this is not an inbetween type. Why do you think they call it Neanderthal man, or early man? And, yes, there are fossilized remains.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, Neanderthals were an inbetween type, Neanderthals were the last step before Homo sapiens.

 

[MDK]

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, Neanderthals were an inbetween type, Neanderthals were the last step before Homo sapiens.

Neanderthals were not an inbetween type. Please take it to another board. No more here, please.

 

[Hobble]

Neanderthals were not an inbetween type. Please take it to another board. No more here, please.

Now that was persuasive.
Thanks, I won’t be talking about it anymore.

 

[Namesake]

The Catechism deals with the very question you asked…

Has man changed all that much? I read the Bible, and even other ancient documents, and it doesn’t seem that we’ve changed all that much. Cain killed his brother out of jealousy, then the punishment was too harsh for him and he whined about it. Sounds like a modern day criminal to me.

I suppose then you are a biblical literalist.

The first humans were a lot different than modern man unless you are a biblical literalist. Humans have changed a whole lot.

 

[MDK]

I suppose then you are a biblical literalist.

The first humans were a lot different than modern man unless you are a biblical literalist. Humans have changed a whole lot.

Catholics teach and read the Bible literally, in the sense that what the inspired author intended is what is meant. Fundamentalists us a literalist or “what is says is what it means” way of interpreting.

For instance, the phrase “it’s raining cats and dogs.”

Literal interpretation:
It’s raining hard.

Literalist interpretation:
Take cover… cats and dogs falling from the sky.

 

[Strevel]

Yes.

Support faith with facts. This is ot exploratory surgery. You cannot do so on either side of the issue as if it were an engineering project.

Don in Vegas and Catholic to the bone / marrow.

 

[MDK]

The first humans were a lot different than modern man unless you are a biblical literalist. Humans have changed a whole lot.

This seems to be either a disingenuous post, or you didn’t understand what ckempston meant by stating “Has man changed all that much? I read the Bible, and even other ancient documents, and it doesn’t seem that we’ve changed all that much. Cain killed his brother out of jealousy, then the punishment was too harsh for him and he whined about it. Sounds like a modern day criminal to me.”

The meaning was obviously referring to behavior. ckempston also went outside of the Bible for historical records. People killed their brother(s) long ago, and people still kill their brother(s) today. What has changed is the choice of weapon… now we have weapons that other humans in earlier history didn’t have. Those who murder in this day and age seem quite similar in motive and behavior.

 

[ckempston]

This seems to be either a disingenuous post, or you didn’t understand what ckempston meant by stating “Has man changed all that much? I read the Bible, and even other ancient documents, and it doesn’t seem that we’ve changed all that much. Cain killed his brother out of jealousy, then the punishment was too harsh for him and he whined about it. Sounds like a modern day criminal to me.”

The meaning was obviously referring to behavior. ckempston also went outside of the Bible for historical records. People killed their brother(s) long ago, and people still kill their brother(s) today. What has changed is the choice of weapon… now we have weapons that other humans in earlier history didn’t have. Those who murder in this day and age seem quite similar in motive and behavior.

 

[AlegreFe]

It would be so nice if Catholics would quit with the “one true church” mantra.

We don’t stop because it is true. The fact that you don’t like it is another story.

I wonder if Catholics ever stop to consider that of all the religions in the history of humanity they are a small minority and a relatively recent faith (considering the history of humans on Earth).

Hmm, One BILLION doesn’t seem so small to me.

Furthermore, there have been and *are lots of religions that consider themselves the true way to God

This is true. But as Christians know, there is only ONE WAY, there is only ONE TRUTH, there is only ONE LIFE, and that is Jesus Christ! Alleluia!

Since there is only ONE Jesus, it only means one thing, that there is only One True Church.
Jesus is not an adulterer. He is faithful and loyal and certainly monogamous. So there can only be ONE BRIDE of Christ. That ONE Bride is the Catholic Church. The one Church that was born from the outpouring of blood & water when he was pierced with a lance by a soldier, who by the way, came to be a believer after he committed that horrible crime. That is the result of God’s great Mercy.

and fortunately many that are willing to share that pathway.

They can share all they want. I’m not taking any of it.

The Catholic Church certainly invites everyone to be Catholics. They do so only because Jesus invites everyone. Jesus is thirsty for souls to believe in Him. He wants everyone who accepts His grace & mercy to be with Him in eternity.

So Catholics are not in any way unique in that

Oh but you see, we ARE unique. We have Jesus along with His Bride. We have Jesus along with His Mother. We have Jesus along with all his relatives who are also our relatives; they are the Saints in Heaven. We have Jesus along with the means for obtaining His Sanctifying Grace which are the Seven Sacraments. We have the Priests who stand in the person of Christ (In Persona Christi) so that they can give us Jesus in the Eucharist. Those Priests who stand In Personal Christi can also absolve us of our sins when we confess them in the great Sacrament of God’s Mercy. There is so much more that no other religion or “church” has. I am so glad to be in God’s Church.

but the constant banging of that drum gets a lot tedious for those of us who do not consider the Catholic church to be the “one true church”

No matter what you believe it doesn’t change the TRUTH. No one or nothing can change the truth because you cannot change Jesus.

Never, regardless of my past church affiliation, would I have even considered being so confrontational as to even suggest that my church was “the one true church”

Your choice of a word is not a good one for many of the Catholics on here. You only feel it is confrontational because you don’t like it. But that is what you feel. That is not the intention of many of the Catholics here.

It’s quite insulting to other faiths, like they belong to a false church.

We don’t want to insult. But we certainly want to convey the truth. Those “churches” that teach false things among some of the truth they teach can certainly be considered a false church. I say false because there is only One Body, One Faith and only One Bride of Christ. So how can those other “churches” be true churches? They can’t. I’m not saying that they do not teach any truths at all, because they do. They just don’t teach the fulness of truth. And they are all divided and teach things against each other. That is not a good example of the Bride of Christ who is supposed to be loyal to everything Christ taught her.

Such effrontery.

Again, another bad choice for a word to describe the loyalty a devout Catholic should have for their Church. It is not arrogance when a Catholic person tells you that the Catholic Church is the true church. It is the truth.

Namesake…you will get no arguement from me…I agree with you!

How can you agree with this person? You are Catholic aren’t you?