Which church is God's true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

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There are lots of transitional fossils. Scientific theories such as evolution are essentially certainties. Relativity is a theory too and seems to be holding up pretty well.
I am only doing this to defend the God and the Catholic Church. **That you say there are, and honest Paleontologists say there aren’t any transitional fossils, speaks volumes! ** Some dishonest evolutionists (or those who have let their hope exceed their professionalism and objectivity) have tried to present as such, and have all been proven not to be transitional or in-between types. I guess they’ve indoctrinated you in schools? This really belongs on a different board.

The idea that evolution supplants creation is junk science, and no person enlightened by truth would buy into it. I for one, deny that evolution supplants creationism. I’d rather believe in the Great Truth, than a great lie.
 
There are lots of transitional fossils. Scientific theories such as evolution are essentially certainties. Relativity is a theory too and seems to be holding up pretty well.
Just because someone presents a theory, doesn’t automatically mean it is credible. Contrary to saying there’s all this evidence, evolution is nothing more than a theory. It’s the hope of those who want to supplant God. Trying to supplant God is the most foolish of endeavors. There are false theories and credible theories. There are false gods, and there is the True God.
 
I am only doing this to defend the God and the Catholic Church. **That you say there are, and honest Paleontologists say there aren’t any transitional fossils, speaks volumes! ** Some dishonest evolutionists (or those who have let their hope exceed their professionalism and objectivity) have tried to present as such, and have all been proven not to be transitional or in-between types. I guess they’ve indoctrinated you in schools? This really belongs on a different board.

The idea that evolution supplants creation is junk science, and no person enlightened by truth would buy into it. I for one, deny that evolution supplants creationism. I’d rather believe in the Great Truth, than a great lie.
The pope accepts the probability of biological evolution. Do you know something the pope doesn’t know?
 
The pope accepts the probability of biological evolution. Do you know something the pope doesn’t know?
I understand what the Pope has said, and I don’t conflict with the Pope. Did the Pope say that there were “in-between types?” Did the Pope say that the theory of evolution supplants the belief in Creation? This is the crux of the issue we’re discussing here.
 
Let’s get this thread back on track…

The Creator created one Church, with Christ as the Head, and with a chief Bishop. This universal Church is called the Catholic Church. The chief Bishop currently resides in the Vatican.
 
I understand what the Pope has said, and I don’t conflict with the Pope. Did the Pope say that there were “in-between types?” Did the Pope say that evolution supplants the belief in Creation? This is the crux of the issue we’re discussing here.
Transitional fossils are not a debatable point. Lots of transitional fossils exist.

Acceptance of evolution theory doesn’t need to supplant a belief in a creator, but it can. It does destroy so called creation science. The pope does not accept creation science, he accepts real science like evolution theory.
 
I still don’t see how Evolution denies the existence of God.
Evolution theory doesn’t address theological issues at all. Many scientists have become atheists because of the incredible power of the truth of evolution theory. That doesn’t mean evolution theory leads to atheism necessarily, just that it can.

The general principle would be that reading some kinds of books (other than books on evolution) can lead one to become an atheist.
 
Transitional fossils to do exist. Yes Darwin wrote that there was a lack of them, but that was in 1859. Since than many transitional fossils have been discovered.
 
I’m relying on an earliere post where some asked why would “this god of your” make a message that is difficult and is not fully revealed.

My answer is this. Chritianity is a lot like the guitar in this respect: The guitar is one of the easiest instruments to play but very difficult to become a master. The Catholic message is simple, but has many levels. God engages our faith and our intelect.
 
Acceptance of evolution theory doesn’t need to supplant a belief in a creator, but it can. It does destroy so called creation science. The pope does not accept creation science, he accepts real science like evolution theory.
You seem to love straw man arguments. Please go back and look at my words. I never said evolution was always used to supplant a belief in a Creator.

What destroys creation science is the correct teachings of Sacred Scripture. Why would the Pope adopt a Fundamentalist fabrication and distortion of the Scriptures like creation science? Creation science attempts to use the obvious symbolic language of Sacred Scripture into the language of a science text. The Pope doesn’t accept distortions of Scripture. It’s not correct.

We must begin by establishing that the pope is not about teaching science. But, while were here, he doesn’t accept evolution as a hard science! Neither does he endorse it! It’s the moral teaching that the Pope and Magisterium are promoting. The Catholic is free to believe that God took a long time to create man from dust, but it’s done with God’s hand. It’s basically treated as a possibility, and not science. The Pope and Magisterium teach faith and morals, not science.

Evolutionary theories, because they describe unrepeatable past events, must remain speculative.
 
I’m relying on an earliere post where some asked why would “this god of your” make a message that is difficult and is not fully revealed.

My answer is this. Chritianity is a lot like the guitar in this respect: The guitar is one of the easiest instruments to play but very difficult to become a master. The Catholic message is simple, but has many levels. God engages our faith and our intelect.
People who make street signs work very hard at presenting instructions in easy to understand formats even avoiding language. Now why would an all powerful god not use similar communication simplicity for what is arguably the most important message ever.

Why would any god leave such an important message to the vagaries of language interpretation? Why the vagueness? Why not just tell the people in a way they can easily understand without having to use a complicated bureaucracy (the RCC) to get the word out?

In fact why wouldn’t God have a web site with an FAQ, and a newsletter, and discussion forums? God could do that easily and then the bureaucracy wouldn’t be needed and people could have instant access to all the information with 100% accuracy. You could even have a web cam for direct confession.

Of course God being all powerful could have done something like that at anytime He wanted to. So why did God not make His instructions more easily understood?
 
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We must begin by establishing that the pope is not about teaching science. But, while were here, he doesn’t accept evolution as a hard science! Neither does he endorse it! It’s the moral teaching that the Pope and Magisterium are promoting. The Catholic is free to believe that God took a long time to create man from dust, but it’s done with God’s hand. It’s basically treated as a possibility, and not science. The Pope and Magisterium teach faith and morals, not science.

Evolutionary theories, because they describe unrepeatable past events, must remain speculative.
The Pontifical Academy of Science is pretty much about science and I believe it operates under the authority of the pope.

Biological evolution theory is about as speculative as the idea that H2O is water. It is the basis of all biological science.
 
Transitional fossils are not a debatable point. Lots of transitional fossils exist.
Once again… this really belongs on a different board… I’m defending God and the Church here.

"Some geologists, Stephen Jay Gould at Harvard for example, have abandoned the Darwinian model for something called “punctuated equilibrium.” Gould says the **fossil record fails to produce transitional creatures because species are stable over long periods of time with little, if any, morphological change. **Then, for some inexplicable reason, there is a burst of new life in what he calls “speciation events.” These events last a few million years instead of hundreds of millions of years; from the Darwinian perspective, this is an unaccountable burst of activity.

The most significant evidence of such events are the fossils, discovered in the Burgess Shale in British Columbia, known as the “Cambrian Explosion.” It is Darwin’s worst nightmare come true. Gould says it proves that small “multicellular animals make their first uncontested appearance in the fossil record . . . with a bang, not a protracted crescendo.” There are fossils of all the major groups with a diversity much greater than is found in later ages. Nature, he says, starts with a burst of life followed by massive extinction, leaving only a few surviving lines to evolve. This turns Darwin’s model on its head. Gould attacks other Darwinian dogmas, such as the belief that human intelligence appeared globally as the expected result of evolution’s tendency to produce more sophisticated animals. He contends that human life is a singular and exceedingly improbable event. Unlike bats, for example, for which there are nine hundred distinct species, for humans there is only one species."

Darwin admitted the theory had grave defects. “The fossil record did not contain the transitional creatures that millions of years of evolution should have produced. He also said, “There is another and allied difficulty, which is much more serious. I allude to the manner in which species belonging to several of the main divisions of the animal kingdom suddenly appear in the lowest known rocks.” For Darwin’s theory to be sustainable, things would have to happen gradually but continuously. Darwin thought improved geological research eventually would resolve these difficulties. It never happened. Further study of the fossil record has been disastrous for his concept of slow and continuous evolution.”
 
The Pontifical Academy of Science is pretty much about science and I believe it operates under the authority of the pope.

Biological evolution theory is about as speculative as the idea that H2O is water. It is the basis of all biological science.
Rather than try another straw man argument, please make at least a meager attempt to understand what I’m saying. More specifically, the Pope and Magisterium teach infallibly only on faith and morals. They don’t teach infallibly on science.

The Pontifical Academy of Sciences is an independent entity within the Holy See. Although its rebirth was the result of papal initiative, and though it is placed under the direct protection of the reigning Supreme Pontiff, the Academy defines its own goals with regard to its statuted aim:

“…to promote the progress of the mathematical, physical and natural sciences and the study of epistemological problems relating thereto” (Statutes 1:2).
 
People who make street signs work very hard at presenting instructions in easy to understand formats even avoiding language. Now why would an all powerful god not use similar communication simplicity for what is arguably the most important message ever.

Why would any god leave such an important message to the vagaries of language interpretation? Why the vagueness? Why not just tell the people in a way they can easily understand without having to use a complicated bureaucracy (the RCC) to get the word out?

In fact why wouldn’t God have a web site with an FAQ, and a newsletter, and discussion forums? God could do that easily and then the bureaucracy wouldn’t be needed and people could have instant access to all the information with 100% accuracy. You could even have a web cam for direct confession.

Of course God being all powerful could have done something like that at anytime He wanted to. So why did God not make His instructions more easily understood?
Actually, he did make it very, very simple. Jesus said to believe in him. Who he is (if you have seen me you have seen the father) and his teachings. Pretty simple and to make things even more simple he established a church, and scriptures so that you can look into the deeper matters all you want. I actually can’t imagine it getting any easier. God revealed his entire truth in the person of Jesus Christ. Simple. Things only become less simple when we throw things into the mix like our own ambition, our own desires and try to justify ourselves.
 
It never happened. Further study of the fossil record has been disastrous for his concept of slow and continuous evolution."
I have always had a problem with evolution. If we follow its logic, us humans should have much better natural defenses. We are not particularly fast nor strong. We don’t have big claws nor teeth. We are physically inferior to many other animals. Shouldn’t we have developed better attributes to survive in this world? There is doubt evolution has happened a bit but with humans I don’t see it.
 
If for some strange reason I couldn’t be Catholic, I would be Orthodox, but NEVER protestant at all…
Two swipes against Protestants in two posts…very loving. We Protestants believe in the book of James. Just because Martin Luther did not like it does not mean ALL Protestants disavow it, so please stop using generalities. I know we Protestants get under some Catholics skin, but such is life. There is no reason to treat us as second class Christians, which seems to be the way some Catholics think about us. We also have not problem with the Bible verses which talk about Jesus establishing His church, you know, that sola scriptura stuff! We differ in how He established it, but we believe He established a church which was meant to proclaim His Gospel.
 
"In 1859, when Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species was first published, the fossil record was poorly known, and Darwin described the lack of transitional fossils as “the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory”, but explained it by the extreme imperfection of the geological record.[1] He noted the limited collections available at that time, but described the available information as showing patterns which followed from his theory of descent with modification through natural selection.[2][3] Indeed, Archaeopteryx was discovered just two years later, in 1861, and represents a classic transitional form between dinosaurs and birds.[3]

Many more transitional fossils have been discovered since then and it is now considered that there is abundant evidence of how all the major groups of animals are related, much of it in the form of transitional fossils.[3]"

"It is commonly claimed by critics of evolution that there are no transitional fossils.[5][3][6] Such claims may be based on a misunderstanding of the nature of what represents a transitional feature[5], or may be an active tactic employed by creationists, seeking to distort or to discredit evolution theory.[3] The claim has been called a “favourite lie” of creationists by Donald Prothero which is “manifestly untrue”.[3]

A common creationist argument is that no fossils are found with partially functional features. However, there is evidence that a complex feature with one function can adapt to a wholly different function through evolution in a process known as exaptation. The precursor to, for example, a wing, might originally have only been used for gliding, trapping flying prey, and/or mating display. Nowadays, wings may still have all of these functions, while also being used for active flight.

Although transitional fossils elucidate the evolutionary transition of one life-form to another, they only exemplify snapshots of this process. Due to the special circumstances required for preservation of remains, only a very small percentage of all life-forms that ever have existed can be expected to be represented in discoveries. Thus, the transition itself can only be illustrated and corroborated by transitional fossils, but it will never be “caught in the act” as it were. Critics of evolution often cite this argument as being a convenient way to explain the lack of ‘snapshot’ fossils that show crucial steps between species. However, progressing research and discovery are managing to fill in gaps.

The theory of punctuated equilibrium developed by Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Eldredge and first presented in 1972[7] is often mistakenly drawn into the discussion of transitional fossils. This theory, however, pertains only to well-documented transitions within taxa or between closely related taxa over a geologically short period of time. These transitions, usually traceable in the same geological outcrop, often show small jumps in morphology between extended periods of morphological stability. To explain these jumps, Gould and Eldredge envisaged comparatively long periods of genetic stability separated by periods of rapid evolution."
 
Actually, he did make it very, very simple. Jesus said to believe in him. Who he is (if you have seen me you have seen the father) and his teachings.
Now that is cool. If only you had stopped there.
Pretty simple and to make things even more simple he established a church, and scriptures so that you can look into the deeper matters all you want. I actually can’t imagine it getting any easier.
That’s precisely where, I contend, the trouble begins. The need for language translation, and the bureaucracy.
God revealed his entire truth in the person of Jesus Christ. Simple.
If only it was that simple. Well, actually, some religions make it just that simple. Seems like a good idea, no?
 
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