Which Homosexuals Are "Incurable"?

[CopticChristian]

Coptic, these people have a homosexual agenda
They are not here to learn and discuss things they don’t understand they are here to undermine the Catholic teachings, they won’t be convince by any logical discussion. thanks for all your efforts.

Speak,

One of the things that is unnerving is that as the thread states…

Which homosexuals are incuarable…

This suggests a disease or disorder…

The tragedy is that we langer in the midst of the APA chaning the DSM, the APA formulating opinions, based on a Homosexual agenda that has permeated all the societies as if this is the truth. It is the one behavior that is aligned with societal thinking as if this is defacto truth and the public is to accept it.

Would you like to see the farce of the Medical profession when it comes to this issue, such as…

Homosexuality is not a religious issue, it is a religous problem and has no place in medicine

Homosexual behavior is fixed
Therapy should be for acceptance
There is never a possibility for changing this behavior once designated
Pray away the gay and religion have no place in the practice of medicine

and more

Would you like to see how none of this makes sense and why the public should be wary of this paradigm…?

 

[lizaanne]

I don’t think he attacks the position of clergy and such, but the people in it who have taken advantage of the flock. I think he just tells it like it is and doesn’t sugar coat it and keeps us informed. When I am fighting a battle, I don’t want soft, I want tough and he knows his faith. Some people don’t like the hard message. Were fighting the devil and he has brought down a lot of Catholics. Let’s face it, we are in mess and we have disobedient clergy, religious and bishops, unfortunately, that have brought us here. Judas was one, example. Their are many good informed sites and each has there own way of preaching the gospel. I like the site of Courageous priest too.

GB

~Liza

 

[speakttruth]

Speak,

One of the things that is unnerving is that as the thread states…

Which homosexuals are incuarable…

This suggests a disease or disorder…

The tragedy is that we langer in the midst of the APA chaning the DSM, the APA formulating opinions, based on a Homosexual agenda that has permeated all the societies as if this is the truth. It is the one behavior that is aligned with societal thinking as if this is defacto truth and the public is to accept it.

Would you like to see the farce of the Medical profession when it comes to this issue, such as…

Homosexuality is not a religious issue, it is a religious problem and has no place in medicine

Homosexual behavior is fixed
Therapy should be for acceptance
**There is never a possibility for changing this behavior once designated **
Pray away the gay and religion have no place in the practice of medicine

and more

Would you like to see how none of this makes sense and why the public should be wary of this paradigm…?

Coptic, you don’t have to convince me, I totally agree and I am as frustrated when my own son thinks because the APA says it ok, its gospel, and treats everything as facts when in fact they are only opinions not facts. As if they don’t have an agenda when most of the people running the show now are homosexuals on the council of the APA. They are keeping young men at the first stages of the lifestyle hooked on this garbage as if to justify unnatural acts as perfectly ok. The APA is a farce… Nicolosi pointed out clearly what there agenda is and how the APA is not even treating people the way the founder had meant it to be. It’s all political.

I believe he did help to get for a short time, self determination so the clients can choose what they want help for. For people who don’t want that life style and want help with those issues. Unfortunately the APA still even doesn’t want that to happen because they are still pushing it like that is still very dangerous. Look what we have!!. A President, the most evil one we have ever had, pushing everything that is destroying families. SSM, Abortion, even late abortion, Contraception, rewriting the Constitution, putting us more in debt. I could go on and on. Never in the history have we had a President pushing no morals as good. We had half the faithless Catholics who voted for him other wise he wouldn’t have been voted in. Thanks to the homosexual agenda in the Church that is undermining the Catholic faith.

We must not despair, we have Christ on our side and the gates of hell will not prevail. Unfortunately, we will suffer the consequences because of all the sins this world is committing.
God have mercy on us that are truly trying to live a Christian life and give us the strength to help with God’s graces save souls especially in our families.
:knight2:Keep fighting for those souls!
GB

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Regular,

You point out the problem that many have…therapy is therapy…if you read any of what Nicolosi writes or even what he says in video…he states that homosexuals are undergoing a reparative process…and his therapy is coordinated towards their dynamic of a reparative process…your lack of understanding and subsequent comments bear witness to your lack of understanding of “Reparative Therapy”…

this is one reason I post on these threads, because people conclude based on lack of understanding that leads to more lack of understanding…

People paint themselves into a corner of illogical thinking that creates more illogical thinking…

Why are you even posting here…

Sure, I don’t understand it too well, but I was just stating a possibly ignorant opinion. I don’t oppose reparative therapy, and I don’t believe it should be illegal. If people have unwanted same-sex attraction, they should be allowed to do something about it. I’m just unconvinced that homosexuals are necessarily mentally ill or in need of therapy.

Coptic, these people have a homosexual agenda
They are not here to learn and discuss things they don’t understand they are here to undermine the Catholic teachings, they won’t be convince by any logical discussion. thanks for all your efforts.

Honestly? Terms like ‘homosexual agenda’ and ‘homosexualist’ are used so much, they’ve pretty much lost all meaning. I don’t advocate or attempt to promote homosexual marriage, as there aren’t really any good arguments for it and there’s no compelling reasons to legalise it. Same applies for most gay rights. I’d also like to note that my opinions have been altered a lot through logical discussions on this site, mainly my views on abortion.

 

[fix]

Honestly? Terms like ‘homosexual agenda’ and ‘homosexualist’ are used so much, they’ve pretty much lost all meaning.

Those terms are not used enough. Outside of these fora who ever hears them? The homosexual marriage people are coining novel terms like “marriage equality” which is propaganda.

 

[The_Bucket]

Those terms are not used enough. Outside of these fora who ever hears them? The homosexual marriage people are coining novel terms like “marriage equality” which is propaganda.

But you’ll notice that your words have incredibly negative and frankly bigoted connotations while their words carry positive connotations. That’s partially the reason why the other side is winning the cultural battle.

 

[fix]

But you’ll notice that your words have incredibly negative and frankly bigoted connotations while their words carry positive connotations. That’s partially the reason why the other side is winning the cultural battle.

They are winning because our society embraces relativism. Words matter. Your rash judgment regarding “bigoted connotation” frankly reveals your position.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Those terms are not used enough.

Outside of these fora who ever hears them?

The homosexual marriage people are coining novel terms like “marriage equality” which is propaganda.

(Of course, aside from the propaganda, the phrase itself is devoid of meaning.)

(Separate affirmations warranted.)

 

[Elizabeth502]

That’s partially the reason why the other side is winning the cultural battle.

Wrong. The cultural battle is being won because the currently winning side has more weapons, and uses them viciously. One side is waging an unprincipled war using unprincipled tactics.

 

[The_Bucket]

Wrong. The cultural battle is being won because the currently winning side has more weapons, and uses them viciously. One side is waging an unprincipled war using unprincipled tactics.

I’ll be blunt. That’s what losers say. Political losers anyway. That’s what the clownshoes at places like Daily Kos were saying in 2004 about the Bush campaign. And I was reveling in it at the time let me tell you.

Sometimes we have to look in the mirror and realize that while we are not wrong about our principles, the way our message is coming out is wrong. Dead wrong.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I’ll be blunt. That’s what losers say. Political losers anyway. That’s what the clownshoes at places like Daily Kos were saying in 2004 about the Bush campaign. And I was reveling in it at the time let me tell you.

Sometimes we have to look in the mirror and realize that while we are not wrong about our principles, the way our message is coming out is wrong. Dead wrong.

Why don’t you enlighten us "losers,’ as you call us, regarding the “right message” that is “dead right.” Otherwise, it’s no more than hot air. Let’s hear it.

 

[fix]

I’ll be blunt. That’s what losers say. Political losers anyway. That’s what the clownshoes at places like Daily Kos were saying in 2004 about the Bush campaign. And I was reveling in it at the time let me tell you.

Sometimes we have to look in the mirror and realize that while we are not wrong about our principles, the way our message is coming out is wrong. Dead wrong.

You have bought the propaganda. This one particular group uses this technique constantly. Disagree - hate. Point out the moral gravity - hate. Do not celebrate deviant sex - hate. Do not accept I was born this way therefore my behavior is moral - hate. Claim that we are not constantly oppressed - hate. Do anything that we do not approve of - hate.

Basically, no matter how anything is said it is hate. This is not the Gospel imperative.

 

[fix]

Why don’t you enlighten us "losers,’ as you call us, regarding the “right message” that is “dead right.” Otherwise, it’s no more than hot air. Let’s hear it.

Years ago Mother Angelica made a comment. I loved her. She said this generation knows the social Gospel well, it is the rest of the Gospel they do not know…

 

[down_under]

Wrong. The cultural battle is being won because the currently winning side has more weapons, and uses them viciously. One side is waging an unprincipled war using unprincipled tactics.

and the other side is (largely) sitting on its thumbs or actively helping the enemy. (with a VERY notable few carrying on the battle because they have no choice. Make no mistake this is a fight to the death.

 

[The_Bucket]

As I said in another thread, we should have a positive sacramental marriage attitude. I don’t know what the political folks should do to be quite honest. I think they’re in a box. They’re in a box where they have to say “I don’t support it, but leave it up to the states.”

The Church, on the other hand, should basically not make any statements about gay marriage unless pressed. And when pressed, say that homosexual acts are sinful and therefore any marriage between those who commit those acts would simply be the endorsement of a sinful life.

Then leave it there and push a positive message about sacramental marriage. Push a message of selflessness. Push back against the idea that marriage is about two people. Push that it is about three people: the couple and God. That marriage is a vocation as serious as the priesthood and religious life. That it is not to be taken lightly at all.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Those terms are not used enough. Outside of these fora who ever hears them? The homosexual marriage people are coining novel terms like “marriage equality” which is propaganda.

What, and made-up terms like ‘homosexualist’ and the concept of an organised, military-like ‘homosexual agenda’ aren’t? You don’t believe that terms like ‘pro-family’ are uses of loaded language? I mean, you are quite correct, but both sides of the debate are as bad as each other. You can’t exactly claim that the religious right or supporters of ‘traditional marriage’ don’t resort to propagandistic methods, either.

I do agree that gay rights activists, and those who support/follow them, resort to calling people hateful and bigoted simply because they have an opposing opinion. I’ve been on the receiving end of a hissy-fit (or, rather, I was rather obviously being ignored) after I told a lesbian that I think it’s hypocritical to dislike/hate others for not being ‘tolerant’ enough, and I’m not exactly ‘anti-gay’.

 

[fix]

What, and made-up terms like ‘homosexualist’ and the concept of an organised, military-like ‘homosexual agenda’ aren’t? You don’t believe that terms like ‘pro-family’ are uses of loaded language? I mean, you are quite correct, but both sides of the debate are as bad as each other. You can’t exactly claim that the religious right or supporters of ‘traditional marriage’ don’t resort to propagandistic methods, either.

I do agree that gay rights activists, and those who support/follow them, resort to calling people hateful and bigoted simply because they have an opposing opinion. I’ve been on the receiving end of a hissy-fit (or, rather, I was rather obviously being ignored) after I told a lesbian that I think it’s hypocritical to dislike/hate others for not being ‘tolerant’ enough, and I’m not exactly ‘anti-gay’.

If we start from a solid premise we should draw correct conclusions. If we start from a relativistic position then any argument is useless. I am not saying the arguments should not be made. I am saying that there is a good chunk of society that refuses to be convinced. Taking back the terminology is central to the defense of family.

 

[The_Bucket]

If we start from a solid premise we should draw correct conclusions. If we start from a relativistic position then any argument is useless. I am not saying the arguments should not be made. I am saying that there is a good chunk of society that refuses to be convinced. Taking back the terminology is central to the defense of family.

We absolutely should take back the terminology. But we should do so in a way that’s not designed to insult and castigate people who disagree. Just as it is wrong for same-sex marriage supporters to label those who oppose it as “bigots” it is likewise wrong for us to use terminology that demeans the other side.

I daresay deeming gay couples who have adopted children as “faux parents” is likely to be taken as hurtful.

 

[Deo_Volente]

Grace & Peace!

Sometimes we have to look in the mirror and realize that while we are not wrong about our principles, the way our message is coming out is wrong. Dead wrong.

To this point, I wanted to mention something I’d written in a previous post in a thread titled: “Why can’t homosexuals see that their behavior is an abomination?” The full post is here:forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10206191&postcount=192. You can get to the thread (now closed) from there.
…] if you want people to change their lives, then you will need to imagine with them the new life you would like them to live, and you will need to imagine it with them in such a way that it is instantly recognizable and desirable as something imminently and authentically good, true and beautiful–i.e., that it is better in real and discernibly present ways than what they have now. This requires, in part, being able to see them as already being the sort of wonderful people you want them to be as opposed to assuming that they are the horrible folks you suspect them to be.
I commend you, Bucket, for encouraging folks to think faithfully beyond the customary talking points.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!

 

[The_Bucket]

This requires, in part, being able to see them as already being the sort of wonderful people you want them to be as opposed to assuming that they are the horrible folks you suspect them to be.

This is brilliantly said. Absolutely brilliant.