Which Office Do You Pray?

[Shoshana]

Having been in the convent for two years, I used to pray the Catholic Prayer version. And I picked it back up about 20 years ago. But, I have the 4-volume now given to me by the cloistered nuns that I helped with in moving from the old convent to their new one. At this point, I am praying more the office of readings but I will have to get back to the Morning and Evening prayers to prepare myself to enter the discalced carmelite third order. God willing…

 

[OraLabora]

iCal, amico mio?

Runs on a Mac, it’s the calendar/scheduling app on a Mac. I’m a Mac fan. Did the PC shtick for too many years, got sick of being the family’s tech support specialist… still have to work with PCs though, but fortunately the company lets me use a MacBook Pro that has Windoze in Boot Camp.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

The app is complete and does not require a signal to read. It does require a signal to download but I use it on planes with the phone in airport mode frequently. It costs about $10 and updates everyday when you turn the app on. I keeps 5 days of prayers downloaded at all times, yesterday, today and the next three days. Pretty convenient.

Sounds cool. Thanks, amico mio

Another question, please:
Can you search Psalms? My monastery adds a Psalm (usally taken from the OOR or the day hours) at Lauds and at Vespers. I would have to search for them, if I was away from the book version.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Runs on a Mac, it’s the calendar/scheduling app on a Mac. I’m a Mac fan. Did the PC shtick for too many years, got sick of being the family’s tech support specialist… still have to work with PCs though, but fortunately the company lets me use a MacBook Pro that has Windoze in Boot Camp.

Less chance of being hacked, too.

Thanks for the response, amico mio

 

[peregrinus_sg]

I pray the Roman Rite Office according to the Ordinary Form.

For English, I use “The Divine Office” published in the UK in 3 volumes, since I live in a region where those books are approved for public liturgical use. As the volumes are bulky, and I try to pray a middle hour in the course of my work, I also have a small booklet “Prayer During the Day” published by Catholic Truth Society handy in my briefcase.

For Latin, I use “Liturgia Horarum” published by the Vatican in 4 volumes. (Interestingly, Midwest Theological Forum also published the Liturgia Horarum, but in 6 volumes recently.)

Sometimes I pray in Chinese as well. I use the one volume equivalent of Christian Prayer “每日礼赞” published by the Chinese Bishops’ Conference in Taiwan (in traditional Chinese characters) or published by Hebei Faith Press in PRC (in simplified Chinese characters).

For special Dominican saints, I make use of the “Proprium Ordinis Praedicatorum” to supplement the texts of the Liturgia Horarum. This is published by the Order of Preachers in Santa Sabina.

 

[Acolythus_sum]

I started out about 2 years ago praying the Christian Prayer (1-vol.), and last Christmas upgraded to the complete 4-volume Liturgy of the Hours. I got the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary (pre-conciliar version, English/Latin) a couple months ago, and just last month got the Latin 1961 Breviarium Romanum, which I currently pray along with the Little Office (both in Latin)…when I have time.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Its great that there are so many options out there for people to pray but some of us have no choice in the matter.

Now my question.

Is one praying the “Liturgy of the Hours” when they are using books that are not the approved books for their region?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Its great that there are so many options out there for people to pray but some of us have no choice in the matter.

Now my question.

Is one praying the “Liturgy of the Hours” when they are using books that are not the approved books for their region?

Interesting question. For Oblates, we are attached to a monastery, so we use what they use.

I would imagine the Third Orders are similar.

Not sure about “non-attached” RC’s, though. My guess would be that you would have to pray the “official” one, for it to “count” (ie, be praying with the Church, and not as a private devotion).

 

[Shoshana]

Its great that there are so many options out there for people to pray but some of us have no choice in the matter.

Now my question.

Is one praying the “Liturgy of the Hours” when they are using books that are not the approved books for their region?

What would your oblates pray, brother?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

What would your oblates pray, brother?

I assume you are asking me?

We pray the LotH Lauds and Vespers (Morning and Evening), but with an extra Psalm (borrowed from the OOR or one of the day offices), and our own (much longer) OT or NT reading.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

What would your oblates pray, brother?

The Third Order Carmelites (T.O.Carm.) are bound in their rule to pray the Liturgy of the Hours, at least Morning and Evening Prayer.

With the wording of the “Liturgy of the Hours” being used I assume it would be the same that our communities use which are the approved books for our regions, so in the USA they would either use Christian Prayer or the 4 volume LOTH.

This is my understanding. The next time the delegate comes through for the visitations I will ask her to clarify this.

But I agree with Luigi, IMHO, to say that one is “praying with the Church” one must be using the same approved texts that the Church is using otherwise it is just the practice of a private devotion and not the Prayer of the Church.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Is one praying the “Liturgy of the Hours” when they are using books that are not the approved books for their region?

Canon Law says:

Can. 276 §1. In leading their lives, clerics are bound in a special way to pursue holiness since, having been consecrated to God by a new title in the reception of orders, they are dispensers of the mysteries of God in the service of His people.

§2. In order to be able to pursue this perfection:

…

3/ priests and deacons aspiring to the presbyterate are obliged to carry out the liturgy of the hours daily according to the proper and approved liturgical books; permanent deacons, however, are to carry out the same to the extent defined by the conference of bishops;

:twocents: I would say that those who are not bound to the hours may use any *approved *resource in private prayer, but in public prayer ought to use the *proper and approved *resources. :twocents:

tee

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

:twocents: I would say that those who are not bound to the hours may use any *approved *resource in private prayer, but in public prayer ought to use the *proper and approved *resources. :twocents:

so my question is, can those who use resourses that aer not approved for their region say that they are praying with the Church? My gut instinct is to say no, that they are just performing a private devotion.

Same would go for those who use approved resources but make modifications (others than those mandated by a rule).

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

My gut instinct is to say no, that they are just performing a private devotion.

Same would go for those who use approved resources but make modifications (others than those mandated by a rule).

Agreed

 

[OraLabora]

What would your oblates pray, brother?

As oblates we can pray the same office as the monks, or the LOTH. I do the latter, but have also done two varieties of the Monastic Office (for Benedictines, there are 4 approved Monastic offices, and Benedictines with external apostolates may also use the LOTH), one of which is the office used at the abbey I am affiliated with (Monastic Schema B, 150 psalms in a week). When I retire I’ll probably go back to the same monastic office as at my abbey.

Agree with others here that we should stick to approved texts, within the limitations and options allowed by the rubrics.

 

[atassina]

I’ve been praying the one volume on and off since 1976. The pages are falling out and the binding is torn and loose-- just delicious! Get one, pray it, love it.

 

[tee_eff_em]

:twocents: I would say that those who are not bound to the hours may use any *approved *resource in private prayer, but in public prayer ought to use the *proper and approved *resources. :twocents:

tee

It would appear [thread=497719]Fr Serpa[/thread] disagrees with me.

tee

 

[KarenElissa]

It would appear [thread=497719]Fr Serpa[/thread] disagrees with me.

tee

That does seems kind of an odd answer. Why would they be approved for specific countries then?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

It would appear [thread=497719]Fr Serpa[/thread] disagrees with me.

tee

If I was that priest I would check with bishop, who is the authority.

This appears to be a matter of personal opinion.

Because otherwise why do we have…

That does seems kind of an odd answer. Why would they be approved for specific countries then?

 

[tee_eff_em]

If I was that priest I would check with bishop, who is the authority.

This appears to be a matter of personal opinion.

Because otherwise why do we have…

The difference I was inferring from the canon’s use of *proper *and *approved *is that any authority may *approve *a translation, but there is one authority (bishop, religious superior, et cetera) who might designate the *proper *one.

BTW, I’ve left it unsaid, but I believe the Latin *Editio Typica *has universal approval and propriety.

tee