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Le_Fidele
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That´s strange. I thought that when Pope Benedict XVI issued the Summorum Pontificum in 2007 a need for permission from local bishop to celebrate a tridentine mass was abolished.
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gracepoole
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If it were me? I’d look in areas where the FSSP are located. That’s not to say there are entire states that I would recommend in this way – but if the FSSP are in an area, you can be assured of a Latin Mass and traditionally-minded families.
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gracepoole
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OP, you haven’t said what kind of work you do, lifestyle/climate you prefer, etc. But your question reminded me of the Clear Creek Abbey in Oklahoma. Folks have gravitated there to support the monks and live an agricultural life.
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My wife and I have had a dream for several years. We’ve dreamt of a little house in the country with a few acres, a big garden, and some chickens—a life close to the land and in touch with the rhythms of the earth. We’ve envisioned a place where we could learn to work with our hands […]
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Dovekin
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Bishops are responsible for public celebrations of the Mass in their diocese. Accordingly, they can regulate access for the laity. Priests may not need permission for nonpublic celebrations, though that is probably also regulated to ensure they have proper training.
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Paul_Edwards
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Assuming you mean the Extraordinary form in the brackets, print two copies of this letter of for your priest, and tell him to start celebrating the latin mass. The second copy is what he can send to the bishop if he later receives a complaint.
http://www.vatican.va/content/bened...otu-proprio_20070707_summorum-pontificum.html
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jclarkson
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I think that’s quite unfair on the area - using Google Maps/Streetview etc. I’ve spent some time in that area, both summer and winter, over the last couple of years with the intention of moving there permanently. I think it’s a beautiful part of the world either in the summer sun or the winter snow.
Edited to say that this was in response to this comment:
“ I’ve looked into that area, and there’s no nice way to say this, but CDA looks a little depressing (Google Street View), just something a bit “off” about it, and the real estate is sky-high.”
Edited to say that this was in response to this comment:
“ I’ve looked into that area, and there’s no nice way to say this, but CDA looks a little depressing (Google Street View), just something a bit “off” about it, and the real estate is sky-high.”
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Torolf
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I’ve been to mass at St. John the Baptist in Cabot a couple times. It’s a really nice parish community and Fr. McCambridge is a great priest.
"Looks". I said “looks”.
I live in a nice part of the country with a lot of sunshine and very mild winters with a five- to six-month “summer”. I guess you could say I’ve gotten a little spoiled by it. There is also a lot of growth and new development. Anyplace that is older and more established isn’t going to look quite as crisp, or sparkly, or whatever the word might be. Every place is different.
The comment about sky-high real estate is just a provable, objective fact. Real estate markets are what they are.
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jclarkson
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I know what you said. I quoted it!
I was merely saying that the impression you e got from Google Earth isn’t a fair representation of the area. What part of the country are you based in?
I also didn’t make comment about the prices of the market. It sounds like you’re looking for an argument…or think that’s my intention. It’s really not my intention!
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Southeastern United States, a fairly prosperous, growing area. A lot of people from up North come here to live. The other way around, not so much. That drives growth.
I have no intention of arguing anything. I looked at CDA and it just didn’t strike my fancy. I could be entirely wrong. You never know a place until you live there.
As far as real estate prices, those are driven by demand — if a lot of people want to live somewhere, generally prices go up. If the very same house is somewhere that nobody wants to live, prices go down. In depressed areas of the industrial Midwest, you can get a fine home for a song. It’s also driven by local incomes. In high-income areas, prices tend to go up. In low-income areas, nobody can afford above a certain price level, so prices go down to what people can afford. Evidently CDA is a popular place to live. And probably with good reason.
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Maximian
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Im certain you did not intend to offend by this phrase, but it is offensive.
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choose_to_love
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Building on this, SE Pa. and eastern Pa. in general have FSSP parishes as mentioned in this post, plus Allentown, Scranton, and moving farther west, Harrisburg. While as Jbrady notes, one is not likely to find whole communities with a traditionalist bent, I would think what the OP is looking for is perhaps a parish community, and I think places with FSSP or ICKP parishes will have more of the traditional liturgical practices to which the OP refers. On the other hand, SE Pa. and Philly in general would I think be quite different from Georgia, so maybe a little farther out (Allentown or Harrisburg) would be less of a culture shock.
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Jbrady
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The demographics of Allentown are shifting rapidly due to a huge influx of Puerto Ricans. Almost fifty percent of the population of the city is now Hispanic. The same thing is happening in other parts of Northeast PA, like Luzerne County and the Pocano’s. About half of the churches in the Diocese of Scranton were wholesale boarded up about ten years ago. The few new churches that were opened were started to serve the Spanish-speaking newcomers.
As for Traditionalists in the area, they are stagnant and probably even declining due to demographic attrition. The non-Hispanic members of the Diocese are very, very gray, and dropping like flies. They are not being replaced, as there is, and long has been, a huge exodus of young people from the region.
Though they tend to have higher attendance rates, Hispanics tend not to be as attracted to the Latin Mass as white Catholics. So the area doesn’t have a bright future in terms of growth in the Traditionalist sector.
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PetraG
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This is an important point. If I were going to move somewhere and were to be choosing the area I was moving to based on the hopes of a high availability of the TLM, I’d want to know what the bishop is telling his priests and seminarians. If a bishop is promoting the Latin Mass among his priests and seminarians, then the chances that it will be available for the next ten or twenty or even thirty years is much higher.
Let’s take Oregon as an example. It is an infamously unchurched state, with one of the highest populations of “nones” in the country. Archbishop Sample is definitely encouraging his priests and seminarians to see knowing the Latin Mass as an important part of being able to minister to the needs of all the faithful. Even if the Pope moves him somewhere else tomorrow, he has planted that seed. I think Oregon will have priests offering the TLM for a generation because of what Archbishop Sample has done already. (He has also been careful not to set the Latin Mass at odds with the Mass of Paul VI. He doesn’t think that the Mass can be promoted if it is done in a way that pits one “camp” against the other at all. I think that is very healthy.)
I’d also look at the state of the Catholic high schools in the area. If you want your children to meet and marry someone who has had an upbringing in orthodox catechesis, you want an area that supports at least one Catholic high school that has that. If the high schools with parents and alumni who insist on orthodoxy aren’t there, probably the overall Catholic population that insists on it is not that high. If there is a local university that meets that standard, so much the better, but since universities can draw their support from alumni who no longer live anywhere near it and from parents and incoming students who never did and never will, I’d count that somewhat less heavily.
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choose_to_love
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Eh, I see your point about the long-term demographics, without conceding it, but I am not sure it would make a difference to someone seeking “traditional liturgical practices” if there were a vibrant parish community now, as I am not sure that the 75 or 100 year outlook makes a difference to someone seeking what the OP is. I have a passing familiarity, you might say, with the Scranton and Allentown FSSP parishes, and there are multiple large families in each, so while all the kids might not stay in the area, there is a robust group of young folks, if the OP has kids and wants a vibrant group of kids for his or her kids to grow up with, for example. The Allentown group especially has a lot of things going on, which might interest someone like the OP.
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