While Europe Slept

[pro_universal]

Firstly, Americans generally do not protest by burning effigies. But this is a common way to demonstrate protest in some Muslim parts of the world.

I’d like to see one iota of hard evidence to prove this assertion. I’ve seen radicals burning things, sure. But does that make burning effigies “common” across a territory that encompasses a billion people?

I will maintain that this assertion is void of any factual backing whatsoever until I see proof otherwise.

Burning an effigy of bin Laden would be symbolic in the Arab world because it means to them “down with (so and so)” when they do this.

I mean this is crazy. You are comparing a terrorist to a law (albeit immoral) that was passed through our legal system.

What’s crazy is where this “burning an effigy” means something special to the Arab world that it doesn’t mean to us idea came from.

That idea is truly out of thin air. If there’s some study about how burning means something special to arabs that it doesn’t mean to us, yeah, I’ll take a look, but as it stands I find this idea to be absurd.

It’s about as condescending and rude as the “black like singing and dancing!” ideas of the past century. Blanket statements about a whole culture that have zero grounding in fact are almost always the product of bias and assumption, and not reflection and study.

 

[onesimplemind]

pro_universal:

Alright, show me which of the words of the Pope would lead me to conclude that I am doing wrong by saying that we should focus on good things in Islam and build brotherhood relationships that way.

If you have the correct interpretation of his teachings, please, cite away and explain to me where I misunderstood him.

First show me that my opinion on Islam is wrong, show me by filling in the blank.

Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)

 

[pro_universal]

onesimplemind:

First show me that my opinion on Islam is wrong, show me by filling in the blank.

Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)

Here’s a good start:

Dear Muslim Friends, As-salámu ‘aláikum!

1. I give heartfelt praise to Almighty God for the grace of this meeting. I am most grateful for your warm welcome, in the tradition of hospitality so cherished by the people of this region. I thank especially the Minister of the Waqf and the Grand Mufti for their gracious greetings, which put into words the great yearning for peace which fills the hearts of all people of good will. My Jubilee Pilgrimage has been marked by important meetings with Muslim leaders in Cairo and Jerusalem, and now I am deeply moved to be your guest here in the great Umayyad Mosque, so rich in religious history. Your land is dear to Christians: here our religion has known vital moments of its growth and doctrinal development, and here are found Christian communities which have lived in peace and harmony with their Muslim neighbours for many centuries.

catholic-forum.com/saintS/pope0264qr.htm

Emphasis mine so you wouldn’t miss it.

 

[onesimplemind]

pro_universal:

I’d like to see one iota of hard evidence to prove this assertion. I’ve seen radicals burning things, sure. But does that make burning effigies “common” across a territory that encompasses a billion people?

I will maintain that this assertion is void of any factual backing whatsoever until I see proof otherwise.

What’s crazy is where this “burning an effigy” means something special to the Arab world that it doesn’t mean to us idea came from.

That idea is truly out of thin air. If there’s some study about how burning means something special to arabs that it doesn’t mean to us, yeah, I’ll take a look, but as it stands I find this idea to be absurd.

It’s about as condescending and rude as the “black like singing and dancing!” ideas of the past century. Blanket statements about a whole culture that have zero grounding in fact are almost always the product of bias and assumption, and not reflection and study.

You mean that muslim protesters all over the world don’t burn things that represent what they think is evil?

LOL your response is so hilarious that I don’t have to say much about it.

Just fill in the blank…

Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)

 

[onesimplemind]

pro_universal:

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Emphasis mine so you wouldn’t miss it.

My emphasis is that YOU don’t understand diplomacy.
My next emphasis is that you are not filling in the blank…

Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)

 

[pro_universal]

onesimplemind:

My emphasis is that YOU don’t understand diplomacy.
My next emphasis is that you are not filling in the blank…

Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)

Okay, so explain what I’m misinterpreting, and show some comments that support your claim that the Pope is not telling the full truth in his speeches.

 

[onesimplemind]

pro_universal:

Okay, so explain what I’m misinterpreting, and show some comments that support your claim that the Pope is not telling the full truth in his speeches.

“here our religion has known vital moments of its growth and doctrinal development”

It is true that the Coptics are tried and true Christians forged in the fire of history. But the Pope made no mention of the well know persecutions of the Coptics, and that is not telling the full truth. You are seriously naive or your taqqiya needs some practice.

Now fill in the blank…

Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)

Or are you misinterpreting or misrepresenting Islam?

 

[pro_universal]

“here our religion has known vital moments of its growth and doctrinal development”

It is true that the Coptics are tried and true Christians forged in the fire of history. But the Pope made no mention of the well know persecutions of the Coptics, and that is not telling the full truth. You are seriously naive or your taqqiya needs some practice.

Now fill in the blank…

Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)

Or are you misinterpreting or misrepresenting Islam?

Coptics? Did you even read the address?

Please read it before you comment.

 

[onesimplemind]

pro_universal:

Coptics? Did you even read the address?

Please read it before you comment.

No No , you are implying “all speeches” directed to “all” muslims. “All” is not exclusive to any particular Christian living in muslim lands.

Why don’t you fill in the blank before you ask anymore questions since YOU are trying to convince me that Islam is peaceful.

Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)

 

[Muslim]

inJESUS:

Muslim:

no thank you…

why? truth hurts?

 

[inJESUS]

Muslim:

inJESUS:

why? truth hurts?

are you paranoic? i was thanking you for God’s sake…oh no, truth doesn’t hurt cuz maybe i should be naughty and quote to you a thousand intolerant verses like calling Christians: blasphemeres, perverted, unjust and will burn in fire? pathetic.

 

[radhika]

Muslim:

actually there are American Indians as well as Indian Indians… you should know your history better… they were persecuted for hundreds of years… they were brought as slaves to South Africa and the Caribbean… know your history

Weren’t you talking about emigrants? Now you talk about slaves. Indians were never brought as slaves to the Americas or to Europe as far as I know and I consider myself pretty well educated. They did go as labour for constructing railways and working in the plantations to African colonies. They settled down in these places and did pretty well for themselves. really i don;t know of any indian who lives in Europe or the Us complain of discrimination.Do you know any?