White anxiety finds a home at Fox News

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You have every right to interpret the words of others in the most uncharitable manner or in the manner that seeks partisan gain. But is is sad when people make such choices.
Neither one. You just can’t have it your way with this. Your partisans show their contempt for others in the society and expect to get a pass. No. They said what they meant and they meant the plain words of what they said.
 
But then again, you have every right to interpret the words of others in the most uncharitable manner.
No one, including her, has given a plausible rationalization of her comments that provide an alternative meaning to the one taken by the white nationalists, the racist freak, and everyone else. If you have one, I am all ears.
 
Your partisans show their contempt for others in the society and expect to get a pass
You claim contempt. But these statements of HRC and Obama are, as I have pointed out many times to you, far deeper than what you allow. No one needs a pass from your claims.
 
Do get over yourself.
  1. The point being made is while racism is evil (as most isms tend to be), defining whether something is an example of racism in the moment is much murkier. Unless someone explicitly tells you so, it is also against Catholic teaching’s to attribute malice of ill intentions to someone without cause. So unless we have a definable catalog of things that depict racism in action, we are left to our own judgements.
  2. The ship sailed a long time ago on not allowing things to be posted here if they contradict Catholic teaching. Look around the board, for pete’s sake. Heck, we survived eight years under Bush and 8 more under Obama - do you think everything they did aligned with Catholic teaching?
 
dvdjs . . . .
No one, including her, has given a plausible rationalization of her comments . . .
If you have one, I am all ears.
No. By your writings you have shown that you are not “all ears”.

I am going to interpret the words of Laura Ingraham in a charitable manner.

You have every right to continue to interpret the words of others including Ingraham in the most uncharitable manner.
 
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You claim contempt. But these statements of HRC and Obama are, as I have pointed out many times to you, far deeper than what you allow
Oh I truly believe their expressions were indications of far deeper contempt than most believe. I agree with you to that extent.
 
It takes a very special kind of false equivalency to put Black Lives Matter in the same sentence as the KKK. Either that or an extraordinary sense of irony.
It takes s very special kind of blind eye to intentionally ignore overt racism from whatever the source. There are enough quotes out there from BLM leaders that ignoring it is equivalent to ignoring white nationalists.
I’m curious though. If this kind of categorization is bad, does that mean civil rights activists in the 1950s and 1960s were like the KKK?
To compare the likes of ML King to BLM is unimaginable.
 
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It takes a very special kind of false equivalency to put Black Lives Matter in the same sentence as the KKK. Either that or an extraordinary sense of irony.
It takes s very special kind of blind eye to intentionally ignore overt racism from whatever the source. There are enough quotes out there from BLM leaders that ignoring it is equivalent to ignoring white nationalists.
BLM has frequently disavowed violence, and quite frankly, even the few associates or members who the accusation might stick still don’t come close to the KKK at its height; when it had members at federal, state and local levels, and whose reign of terror over African Americans in the areas of the country where its influence was strongest was frankly extraordinary. You are indeed invoking a false equivalency.
I’m curious though. If this kind of categorization is bad, does that mean civil rights activists in the 1950s and 1960s were like the KKK?
To compare the likes of ML King to BLM is unimaginable.
I think you’re intentionally missing the point.
 
BLM has frequently disavowed violence, and quite frankly, even the few associates or members who the accusation might stick still don’t come close to the KKK at its height; when it had members at federal, state and local levels, and whose reign of terror over African Americans in the areas of the country where its influence was strongest was frankly extraordinary. You are indeed invoking a false equivalency.
Agreed.

Also, let’s keep in mind that “BLM” isn’t an organization, it’s a slogan. There are any number of groups and individuals claiming that name, or using that phrase.

JonNC seems to be using it as shorthand for something, but I’m not sure what, exactly.
 
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I think you’re intentionally missing the point
Oh, I’m not missing the point. The point is if we as Americans do not respect racism from all sources, it will devour the republic. If conservatives do not call out and expell the so-called alt right, it will hurt the movement which a movement for individual rights. Kessler is a pathetic and despicable human being.
If liberals do not do the same with BLM and Antifa, it is exactly the same. They are not liberals.
Defending Jeong is the same as defending Kessler.

If BLM wants to return to the message of police brutality, I’m with them. If they want to push the identity politics and do-called white privilege, that’s overt racism, and no better than the KKK.
 
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Numerous members have made racist statements. It belongs on the list because it is an inherently racist organization, just like the KKK.
There’s a big difference between “we’re better than them” and “please don’t murder our children”.
Then return to the call of don’t kill our kids. And spread that call to the society at large.
 
Read what I just wrote.
I’ve read what you’ve written. I still don’t know exactly who you mean by “BLM.” As I said, it’s more of a slogan than an organization. Which organization using that name are you talking about?
 
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I think you’re intentionally missing the point
Oh, I’m not missing the point. The point is if we as Americans do not respect racism from all sources, it will devour the republic. If conservatives do not call out and expell the so-called alt right, it will hurt the movement which a movement for individual rights. Kessler is a pathetic and despicable human being.
If liberals do not do the same with BLM and Antifa, it is exactly the same. They are not liberals.
Defending Jeong is the same as defending Kessler.

If BLM wants to return to the message of police brutality, I’m with them. If they want to push the identity politics and do-called white privilege, that’s overt racism, and no better than the KKK.
As others have pointed out, BLM isn’t an organization in the sense of a leadership. It’s a number of different groups, with some complimentary aims, but all in all, it’s not the equivalent of the KKK in the slightest. It’s more, like, say, some Protestant churches; some general commonality but lots of independence.

But every time an alleged BLM advocate/member/whatever has committed an act of violence, the BLM leaders I’ve seen have decried it. It’s Breitbarts and Fox News that have somehow made them in to the Black KKK. There have been African-American groups in the past who were pretty darned racist, but BLM, in as much as it is organized, is not. And even the worst black supremacist groups didn’t come even the tiniest bit close to the levels of violence and intimidation seen by white supremacist groups like the KKK, so the false equivalency stands.
 
Oh I truly believe their expressions were indications of far deeper contempt than most believe.
So sad for you to harbor such beliefs.
Surely you are capable of understanding deeper, nuanced thinking than you get from Trump.
 
But every time an alleged BLM advocate/member/whatever has committed an act of violence, the BLM leaders I’ve seen have decried it. It’s Breitbarts and Fox News that have somehow made them in to the Black KKK.
It is a tired old excuse claiming Fox News did this or Breitbart did that. Their members speak for themselves.
There have been African-American groups in the past who were pretty darned racist, but BLM, in as much as it is organized, is not. And even the worst black supremacist groups didn’t come even the tiniest bit close to the levels of violence and intimidation seen by white supremacist groups like the KKK, so the false equivalency stands.
The true equivalency stands, and I find the defense of such racism sad
 
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