White anxiety finds a home at Fox News

[niceatheist]

niceatheist:

But every time an alleged BLM advocate/member/whatever has committed an act of violence, the BLM leaders I’ve seen have decried it. It’s Breitbarts and Fox News that have somehow made them in to the Black KKK.

It is a tired old excuse claiming Fox News did this or Breitbart did that. Their members speak for themselves.

Apparently not. Apparently the only people that speak for BLM are the wingnuts at the fringes. That’s how you create your false equivalency. It would be like me declaring all Catholics are anti-Semites, because some SSPX extremist calls Jews “enemies of the Church”.

But that’s why the equivalency fails. While I’ll admit there are fringe people who are associated (or more often, associate themselves) with BLM, BLM itself is not about racial inequality, it’s about dealing with a pretty specific issue of African-Americans being far more likely to be shot in altercations with police than white Americans, whereas the KKK is pretty much entirely about racism.\

I can’t even sort out why you would want to compare BLM to the KKK. What do you achieve by such overheated rhetoric, other than a bit of whatabouttery.

 

[JonNC]

Apparently not. Apparently the only people that speak for BLM are the wingnuts at the fringes. That’s how you create your false equivalency. It would be like me declaring all Catholics are anti-Semites, because some SSPX extremist calls Jews “enemies of the Church”.

So, name me one that disavows the racist “white privilege” claim.
Name me one thatis speaking out against the progressives that have run the big cities for 50 years or more where most of the police violence has taken place.
Name me one that has said that it was actually Michael Brown that was at fault, and not the cop.
Name me one that agrees that saying all lives matter is not racist.

 

[Inisfallen]

So, name me one that disavows the racist “white privilege” claim.
Name me one thatis speaking out against the progressives that have run the big cities for 50 years or more where most of the police violence has taken place.
Name me one that has said that it was actually Michael Brown that was at fault, and not the cop.
Name me one that agrees that saying all lives matter is not racist.

Now you’re changing the goalposts. At first, it sounded like you believed BLM (whatever that means) to be racist because they, or it, or whatever, espoused positions that were racist.

Now it sounds they must denounce and disavow certain things before you will accept that they’re not racist.

Really, that’s not a valid criterion. I mean, I (or BLM, for that matter) could present you with a list of things that you must denounce, or disavow, or distance yourself from, and in the absence of such denouncements or disavowals, pronounce you to be a racist.

I’m not doing that, of course, but it sounds like you are.

 

[JonNC]

Really? What’s the body count attributable to the Klan, versus that attributable to whatever you mean by “BLM”?

According to Alan West, 3,446 in the last 90 or do years. In the last 30 or 40 years, very few, thanks to people like Jeff Sesdions who destroyed them.
Is that the formula by which we are measuring racism? If so, a case can be made of racism against big city progressives who reduce police presence in high crime black neighborhoods.

 

[JonNC]

Now you’re changing the goalposts. At first, it sounded like you believed BLM (whatever that means) to be racist because they, or it, or whatever, espoused positions that were racist.

They do. I just named some. That fact that you want to deflect their existence because they don’t have a uniform hierarchy is interesting.
I suppose that since Antifa is set up similarly means they aren’t really violent.

Now it sounds they must denounce and disavow certain things before you will accept that they’re not racist.

Correct. They have to disavow racist beliefs and statements before I will accept they are not racist. Same goes for Kessler.

Really, that’s not a valid criterion. I mean, I (or BLM, for that matter) could present you with a list of things that you must denounce, or disavow, or distance yourself from, and in the absence of such denouncements or disavowals, pronounce you to be a racist.

If those things were racist, it would be valid.

 

[Inisfallen]

Is that the formula by which we are measuring racism? If so, a case can be made of racism against big city progressives who reduce police presence in high crime black neighborhoods.

I don’t know. Are we? I’m trying to follow the logic by which you try to establish some sort of equivalency between the Ku Klux Klan and the Black Lives Matter movement.

Certainly the fact that the Klan has murdered thousands of people establishes their rather impressive credentials as racists. I don’t see anything like that on the part of BLM.

I can’t follow it. BLM is racist because they don’t denounce “progressives” (by which it sounds like you mean the Democratic Party)? Or a list of other things?

I don’t buy it.

 

[Inisfallen]

Correct. They have to disavow racist beliefs and statements before I will accept they are not racist. Same goes for Kessler.

Inisfallen:

JonNC:

Do you hold yourself to the same standard? May I present you with a list of things you must denounce before we deem you not to be racist?

I seriously doubt that you’d be okay with that.

 

[JonNC]

I don’t know. Are we? I’m trying to follow the logic by which you try to establish some sort of equivalency between the Ku Klux Klan and the Black Lives Matter movement.

Racism is the equivalency

Certainly the fact that the Klan has murdered thousands of people establishes their rather impressive credentials as racists. I don’t see anything like that on the part of BLM.

So, murder is the only criteria. I guess Kessler isn’t racist? I think he is, but that’s not my standard.

I can’t follow it. BLM is racist because they don’t denounce “progressives” (by which it sounds like you mean the Democratic Party)? Or a list of other things?

Let’s remember that the KKK is a Democrat formed organization.
I would think they’d denounce progressives in power standing asdide while criminals rule black neighborhoods.

 

[JonNC]

Do you hold yourself to the same standard? May I present you with a list of things you must denounce before we deem you not to be racist?

Name me one racist thing I’ve defended.

 

[dvdjs]

So realistic.

Nope. Just sad.

 

[dvdjs]

You already did.

Sorry, I must have missed it. What is the post number?

 

[Inisfallen]

Name me one racist thing I’ve defended.

Not my point. My point was that you are insisting that BLM (and again, there’s really no such thing) denounce a specific list of things that you present, apparently including the Democratic Party. And I doubt you’d accept such a list from them before you can be pronounced non-racist.

I did not claim that you having defended anything specifically racist.

 

[JonNC]

Not my point.

Of course it’s not your point. You want to make a different point than criticizing racism.

My point was that you are insisting that BLM (and again, there’s really no such thing) denounce a specific list of things that you present, apparently including the Democratic Party. And I doubt you’d accept such a list from them before you can be pronounced non-racist.

Yes. I want them to denounce their racism.

I did not claim that you having defended anything specifically racist.

Well, that’s what you’ll have to do in order to state that I’m racist.

 

[Inisfallen]

Well, that’s what you’ll have to do in order to state that I’m racist.

But you can claim that others are racist because they haven’t denounced the things you demand they denounce?

Don’t you think that’s a bit of a double standard?

 

[Inisfallen]

Do you believe I’m a racist because I haven’t denounced the Democratic Party? That’s on your list.

 

[JonNC]

Do you believe I’m a racist because I haven’t denounced the Democratic Party? That’s on your list.

I haven’t heard you make a racist statement. I’m disappointed that you seem to be defending a racist group

 

[Inisfallen]

I haven’t heard you make a racist statement. I’m disappointed that you seem to be defending a racist group

I’m a registered Democrat, and I believe some people and groups who use the Black Lives Matter slogan have made some points that are worthy of consideration. You’d probably call me a progressive. So I’m not going to denounce BLM, or the Democratic Party, or “progressives.”

Does that make me a racist?

 

[Xystus]

Do you have something to contribute, on the topic?

You have made posts with content relevant to the thread…

Which is it now? am i contributing nothing that is on topic or have i made posts with content relevant to the thread? Consistency would be nice.

… to attack me personally

no, i have not. I have only pointed out a different set of rules exists for you and for people you dont agree with.

 

[dvdjs]

Which is it now?

Sorry for the sloppy typing.

You have made posts, without content relevant to the thread, that attack me personally.

no, i have not.

Accusing someone of hypocrisy is personal, and, as I have pointed out, unsubstantiated.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Nope. Just sad.

Nobody can accuse me of being a Hillary fan, but I can think of a lot of religious beliefs and practices in this world that do need to change. In some countries where I have traveled, female genital mutilation has a religious argument to it. That is something that in my opinion needs to change. The oppressive religious regime and lack of freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia, needs to change.