White House Defends New Benghazi Email

[TaurusRex]

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I have read your posts. They are full of speculation and your personal opinions.

In at least a few of my posts, I requested that all of the links I provided be read, that is, not just the few lines I quoted here and there because for example you would see that in at least one or two links they speak of members of Ansar al Sharia recruiting youth to stir up anger over the Muslim video as a prelude to their attacking;

But yes, that’s planned, as well as streets being blocked is planned and moving their truck mounted weapons in place is planned, but having people express anger over the Muslim film as the attack starts gives it the impression of being “spontaneous”;

And if you recall, I did say that these Ansar al Sharia were well equipped so how long does it take to move truck mounted weapons into the scene whether as Ridgerunner claims they were supplied by the USA or however they got hold of the weapons.

rex

 

[oldcatholicguy]

“Or is already underway” sounds “spontaneous” enough to me ,
do you folks actually believe that for the attack to be “spontaneous” the streets had to be full of rioters and they had to start by throwing sticks and stones?

Excuse me if I on my way to the dinner table.

rex

-“Already underway”- the enemy is moving into position for the attack (like moving in from several directions and/or moving in the mounted heavy weapon systems and/or sighting in their indirect systems) but has not yet started shooting. Example- The attacks on the beaches of Normandy were already underway before the ships and planes supporting the landings fired their first shots to cover the landings themselves.
-“do you folks actually believe that for the attack to be “spontaneous” the streets had to be full of rioters” Not everybody believes a spontaneous attack starts with empty streets followed by the attackers cordoning off the area prior to undertaking a coordinated attack supported by heavy weapon systems. I’d say the likelihood of someone believing the above is spontaneous is inversely related to how much they actually know about combat and how it works.
-“and they had to start by throwing sticks and stones.” No it doesn’t have to start with “sticks and stones,” especially in a small arms rich environment such as Libya. But, what it doesn’t start with is-
-all the locals living in the vicinity of the attack all suddenly deciding they’d rather be elsewhere (i.e. empty streets)
-the “spontaneous” rioters/attackers cordoning off the area prior to attacking
-the “spontaneous” rioters/attackers attacking from several directions instead of one (I guess mobs in Libya are somehow better organically organized than elsewhere)
-and the “spontaneous” rioters/attackers just happening to have mounted heavy weapon systems on hand for said “spontaneous” attack
-and the “spontaneous” rioters/attackers bringing along their own supplies to burn the place down.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Sorry you feel an actual veteran’s account so funny.

Well I’m sure the poster’s humor is based on their vastly better qualifications to determine what is or is not a spontaneous attack than my experiences as a combat soldier.

 

[Graubo3]

People die in war. What do you want to see done? 10,000 Americans have died in the war on terror over the last twenty years. Why are these four deaths so important?

I think this post sums up the Democrat Party platform as well as the MSM?

 

[TaurusRex]

Sorry you feel an actual veteran’s account so funny.

You folks have done plenty of laughing at the effort I put into this debate …
my turn now.
Boohoo, you’re breaking my heart :bighanky:
Because I really believe as SMGS127 believes that you folks are using those 4 dead people at Benghazi as political fodder.

The only thing as far as I’m concerned Obama has done wrong is attempt to force the Catholic Church to accept contraception …
Otherwise, all things considered he’s done a good job, especially with a totally uncooperative GOP House while handed the worst economic decade since the Great Depression.

rex

 

[stevegravy]

I think this post sums up the Democrat Party platform as well as the MSM?

Sad but telling so much more about where the majority of the country is right now.

But hey the Stanly cup and basketball playoffs are on the tube and the start of a new baseball season. Just too much to think about and dude it was two years ago.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Well I’m sure the poster’s humor is based on their vastly better qualifications to determine what is or is not a spontaneous attack than my experiences as a combat soldier.

Apparently the poster’s definition of “planned” “spontaneous” is fluid.

Thank you for enlightening us on the difference.

 

[stevegravy]

Did Bush put out a lie that it was an internet video that was responsible? Did Bush go to Las Vegas for a fundraiser? Did Bush send his SOS to the parents to repeat the lie. Did Bush send his ambassador to the Sunday morning talk shows to repeat the lie? Did Bush go to the UN and continue the lie about the video? Did Bush suppress all investigations into what happened?

We really still don’t know what happened. The story is dribbling out because we are FORCING our “transparent” administration to give us the information.

• We don’t know why Stevens was in Benghazi
• We don’t know what the meeting with the Turkish official was about
• Conveniently the Turkish official left before the attack began
• We were told it was a spontaneous demonostration, when in fact, the weapson used tell us differently
• We don’t know who gave the stand down order

In the end, SMG, if it’s so petty, why all the lies and obfuscations? Just tell the truth and move on. The silence by the administration who promised to be open and transparent is deafening. Nixon’s lies were a lot more petty, he stepped down.

Typical. No gerrymandering by Dems. They are as pure as the driven snow.

Just answer my bullet points. Can you do that?

I don’t think anyone can from the public domain right now. Until these questions are answered we will not understand how far down the rabbit hole this administration thinking is or possibly how corrupt the US government has become. My personal concern we are no better than any other power hungry oligarchy, we just have this need for hypocrisy.

When the bodies came back and they had the big photo opportunity for Obama and Clinton to look all grave and serious, like they really cared, Hillary still had the temerity to blame it on a U-tube video. Then there was the carrying on of Chris this and good friend Chris that, yet neither could be bothered to take his call the night he died. Mendacity through and through.

 

[qui_est_ce]

You folks have done plenty of laughing at the effort I put into this debate …
my turn now.
Boohoo, you’re breaking my heart :bighanky:
Because I really believe as SMGS127 believes that you folks are using those 4 dead people at Benghazi as political fodder.

The only thing as far as I’m concerned Obama has done wrong is attempt to force the Catholic Church to accept contraception …

The only thing Stalin did was kill a few million Russians, but his economic plans were great. He really cared about the proletariat.

Otherwise, all things considered he’s done a good job, especially with a totally uncooperative GOP House while handed the worst economic decade since the Great Depression.

rex

Again, your personal opinion.

You keep claiming to have the facts on your side, yet all you can provide is personal opinion when the facts (most recently by oldcatholicguy) are shown to you.

As far as the GOP being uncooperative, they are doing what they were elected to do.

 

[TaurusRex]

Apparently the poster’s definition of “planned” “spontaneous” is fluid.

Thank you for enlightening us on the difference.

You make me sick is the least I can say …
Yes the attack was planned, but they managed to make it appear “spontaneous” enough by recruiting some young people to express anger over the Muslim video;

which gives the CIA and Susan Rice a legitimate excuse to make a mistake and call it “spontaneous”…

please read the word legitimate three times to understand my meaning

because hypocrisy is as bad if not worse than bearing false witness against thy neighbor in my very humble opinion.

rex

 

[stevegravy]

You make me sick is the least I can say …
Yes the attack was planned, but they managed to make it appear “spontaneous” enough by recruiting some young people to express anger over the Muslim video;

which gives the CIA and Susan Rice a legitimate excuse to make a mistake and call it “spontaneous”…

please read the word legitimate three times to understand my meaning

because hypocrisy is as bad if not worse than bearing false witness against thy neighbor in my very humble opinion.

rex

Your legitimate excuse is mendacity not a mistake.

 

[Havard]

Sorry for the slight aside, but is anyone else as impressed with Trey Gowdy as I am? I’m pleased that he was appointed to chair the House investigatory panel.

 

[TaurusRex]

Sorry for the slight aside, but is anyone else as impressed with Trey Gowdy as I am? I’m pleased that he was appointed to chair the House investigatory panel.

Does GOP stand for GAY OLD PARTY now?

rex

 

[stevegravy]

Sorry for the slight aside, but is anyone else as impressed with Trey Gowdy as I am? I’m pleased that he was appointed to chair the House investigatory panel.

Only if he can get answers to qui est ce points.

 

[qui_est_ce]

You make me sick is the least I can say …
Yes the attack was planned, but they managed to make it appear “spontaneous” enough by recruiting some young people to express anger over the Muslim video;
**
which gives the CIA and Susan Rice a legitimate excuse to make a** mistake and call it “spontaneous”…

please read the word legitimate three times to understand my meaning

because hypocrisy is as bad if not worse than bearing false witness against thy neighbor in my very humble opinion.

rex

Sorry, you did not make this at all clear in your previous posts.

It still doesn’t explain where they found a video that had only about 50 hits before this incident and continued with the story long after it had been debunked.

 

[Havard]

Does GOP stand for GAY OLD PARTY now?

rex

Was that directed at Rep. Gowdy, or at me for expressing my feelings about him?

 

[oldcatholicguy]

• We don’t know why Stevens was in Benghazi
• We don’t know what the meeting with the Turkish official was about
• Conveniently the Turkish official left before the attack began
• We were told it was a spontaneous demonostration, when in fact, the weapson used tell us differently
• We don’t know who gave the stand down order

1 &2. Classified due to [insert National Security/War on Terror/ongoing intelligence operations reason here].
3. No indicators of Turkey being involved in the organization responsible for the attack and/or [insert National Security etc. reason here].
4. The initial situation was read incorrectly (they got it wrong); can’t think of a reason for why they continued to read it incorrectly (I can, but not a reason that would be used to defend their continued pointing to the video as the cause).
5. Can’t think of a reason for not explaining who gave it and why it was given.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Sorry for the slight aside, but is anyone else as impressed with Trey Gowdy as I am? I’m pleased that he was appointed to chair the House investigatory panel.

I like what Rep Gowdy has to say:

foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/06/rep-gowdy-benghazi-committee-will-probe-every-document-to-determine-facts-once/

Gowdy, R-S.C., said on “On the Record” he is going to examine any and all documents relating to the 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate, even those which may end up not even being relevant.

“You can’t draw conclusions if you don’t have all the facts,” Gowdy, a former federal prosecutor, said. “What this committee is going to do is once and for all lay out all the facts and then your jury can draw whatever inferences and conclusions they want to.”

Gowdy said he is “not interested” in summaries of the facts and wants access to all relevant documents, classified or not.

Gowdy also responded to criticism of the committee by House Democrats including Rep. Mike Schiff, who said on “Fox News Sunday” he believes the committee is a “colossal waste of time.” Gowdy said the committee’s detractors need to give it a chance to prove its usefulness before declaring it pointless.

“At least let us have a hearing before you judge it. I mean at least let the committee be constituted and the rules be adopted before you declare it to be a political exercise,” he said.

 

[stevegravy]

1 &2. Classified due to [insert National Security/War on Terror/ongoing intelligence operations reason here].
3. No indicators of Turkey being involved in the organization responsible for the attack and/or [insert National Security etc. reason here].
4. The initial situation was read incorrectly (they got it wrong); can’t think of a reason for why they continued to read it incorrectly (I can, but not a reason that would be used to defend their continued pointing to the video as the cause).
5. Can’t think of a reason for not explaining who gave it and why it was given.

IMHO I&2 will not be answered because the government can’t let the peons know how badly they been lied to and abused these last 100 odd years,

Here is a couple more questions:

from steynonline.com/6307/the-dishonored-dead

Forget the free-speech arguments. In this case, as Secretary Clinton and General Dempsey well know, the film has even less to do with anything than did the Danish cartoons or the schoolteacher’s teddy bear or any of the other innumerable grievances of Islam. The 400-strong assault force in Benghazi showed up with RPGs and mortars: That’s not a spontaneous movie protest; that’s an act of war, and better planned and executed than the dying superpower’s response to it. Secretary Clinton and General Dempsey are, to put it mildly, misleading the American people when they suggest otherwise.

One can understand why they might do this, given the fiasco in Libya. The men who organized this attack knew the ambassador would be at the consulate in Benghazi rather than at the embassy in Tripoli. How did that happen? They knew when he had been moved from the consulate to a “safe house,” and switched their attentions accordingly. How did that happen? The United States government lost track of its ambassador for ten hours. How did that happen? Perhaps, when they’ve investigated Mitt Romney’s press release for another three or four weeks, the court eunuchs of the American media might like to look into some of these fascinating questions, instead of leaving the only interesting reporting on an American story to the foreign press.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

IMHO I&2 will not be answered because the government can’t let the peons know how badly they been lied to and abused these last 100 odd years,

Here is a couple more questions:

from steynonline.com/6307/the-dishonored-dead

Forget the free-speech arguments. In this case, as Secretary Clinton and General Dempsey well know, the film has even less to do with anything than did the Danish cartoons or the schoolteacher’s teddy bear or any of the other innumerable grievances of Islam. The 400-strong assault force in Benghazi showed up with RPGs and mortars: That’s not a spontaneous movie protest; that’s an act of war, and better planned and executed than the dying superpower’s response to it. Secretary Clinton and General Dempsey are, to put it mildly, misleading the American people when they suggest otherwise.

One can understand why they might do this, given the fiasco in Libya. The men who organized this attack knew the ambassador would be at the consulate in Benghazi rather than at the embassy in Tripoli. How did that happen? They knew when he had been moved from the consulate to a “safe house,” and switched their attentions accordingly. How did that happen? The United States government lost track of its ambassador for ten hours. How did that happen? Perhaps, when they’ve investigated Mitt Romney’s press release for another three or four weeks, the court eunuchs of the American media might like to look into some of these fascinating questions, instead of leaving the only interesting reporting on an American story to the foreign press.

-The enemy knowing what we were doing- poor counter intelligence and OPSEC. This was also an issue in Iraq and in Afghanistan.
-Lose track of the ambassador- Yeah, I can’t understand that either given that the country we are talking about is Libya and what was going on there.