White House shines rainbow colors to hail same-sex marriage ruling

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meltzerboy said:
I doubt he was ever anything but in favor of SSM. Or is that what you mean?
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At the risk of being told I believe in conspiracy theories regarding Obama, I am almost positive I remember him saying that he did not believe in gay marriage.
 
lax16 said:
At the risk of being told I believe in conspiracy theories regarding Obama, I am almost positive I remember him saying that he did not believe in gay marriage.
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This is not an idle rumor. Look up his original campaign positions. He was against gay marriage. Everyone who was anyone was, back then.
 
lax16 said:
At the risk of being told I believe in conspiracy theories regarding Obama, I am almost positive I remember him saying that he did not believe in gay marriage.
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My guess is that what he said and what he really believed are two completely opposite things.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Islam in general is growing its influence in the secular world. I doubt so-called gay “marriage” will be able to withstand it. Islam is much closer to the Truth and natural law.
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Except for the throwing homosexuals off of roofs of tall buildings thing.
 
10gr8kids said:
My guess is that what he said and what he really believed are two completely opposite things.
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Pure speculation here…I actually think our president did not, and does not, believe in ssm. I think he has many people that make decisions for this country helping to “run the show”.

I believe all U.S. presidents have many people helping to “run the show”.
 
Beautiful said:
Reflect on the disgraces of heterosexual unions/marriages over the past 50 or so decades. Recall all the well publicized divorces and atrocities related to heterosexual activities. Think about the offenses that touch your own personal life. All that has lead up to the rainbow stripes on the WH is a spawn of those years and that set of people and their lifestyle. Much destruction has spawned from the group of people call baby boomers.
Rainbow stripes on the WH is more a by-product from a set of people than a sexual orientation issue. :twocents:
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Very well said. I used to think the Republic would be lucky to survive President Obama. Actually this is wrong. President Obama is a symptom. The Republic will be lucky to survive the Boomers. * The White House rainbow lights are necessary because Boomers like shiny things and passed that gene on. This is what happens when an entire nation lacks adult supervision.*
 
Sy_Noe said:
Not at all. Even though I welcomed the new Pope’s softer tone and humility and his attempts to add to the discussion beyond a few issues, I don’t expect Catholics to evolve on much. It’s one reason I don’t practice. My point was merely after numbers were brought up in regard to other faith communities and problems they face, that while yes the CC baptizes a lot of children and gains members for life, that there is still a huge numbers problem in your church as well when as little as 25% actually follow Church teaching and attend Mass weekly. And I just know many of the younger Catholics in my extended family, though having attended Catholic schools and Mass during their formative yrs, are not all that into the faith now that they are in their 20s and 30s. I’m sure however there are exceptions across the spectrums. The bishop of the Episcopal diocese where I live has allowed priests to decide whether to perform ceremonies and sign marriage licenses for SS couples since January when marriage equality came to my state. And from what I’ve been told by church officials, there has been little dissension and no exodus of churches.
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I have never denied the number of lapsed Catholics; I believe they number the same as the largest Protestant denomination in the US. (that could be wrong; not fact checking here; I heard that somewhere) People rejected the living Christ, right. I guess from my reading of the Gospel I just assume there are those who accept and those who don’t everywhere, always as a matter of course. That just seems normal to me. You don’t evolve truth to accommodate unbelievers; I don’t care what Church you are in. That is really all I am getting at.
 
If the decision were to have gone the other way, what would have been an appropriate
White House response?

1). Light up the White House in something representing support of traditional marriage

2). Nothing
 
lax16 said:
If the decision were to have gone the other way, what would have been an appropriate
White House response?

1). Light up the White House in something representing support of traditional marriage

2). Nothing
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I am sure the White House didn’t have anything planned if it would have gone the other way-unless it was a big thumb’s down lit up!
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I have never denied the number of lapsed Catholics; I believe they number the same as the largest Protestant denomination in the US. (that could be wrong; not fact checking here; I heard that somewhere) People rejected the living Christ, right. I guess from my reading of the Gospel I just assume there are those who accept and those who don’t everywhere, always as a matter of course. That just seems normal to me. You don’t evolve truth to accommodate unbelievers; I don’t care what Church you are in. That is really all I am getting at.
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I do understand since you are a faithful Catholic and hold faith in people in the past having understood the truth all correctly and getting everything right, And therefore it would follow to believe you know. I otoh just can’t limit an infinite God to finite human understanding like that. I prefer being open to evolving on my journey while always striving to be humble enough to know that yes I’m human and may be wrong too. And no I’m not at all certain we can truly know without faith what ultimate truth is. It takes faith for anyone to believe they do. I just don’t need everything spelled out in black and white in a box with the lid closed. So no problem. It’s just different faiths and undertandings of God and truth that we have in our walks. Peace and God’s blessings on yours!
 
Sy_Noe said:
I do understand since you are a faithful Catholic and hold faith in people in the past having understood the truth all correctly and getting everything right, And therefore it would follow to believe you know. I otoh just can’t limit an infinite God to finite human understanding like that. I prefer being open to evolving on my journey while always striving to be humble enough to know that yes I’m human and may be wrong too. And no I’m not at all certain we can truly know without faith. I just don’t need everything spelled out in black and white in a box with the lid closed. So no problem. It’s just different faiths that we have. Peace and God’s blessing on yours!
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And peace to you too! Just one comment, this is why we have Scripture at the core of the Christian faith, the revealed Word of God. This is how doctrine and Catholic teaching are formed. He knows we have finite understanding; hence his Word. 😉
 
FollowChrist34 said:
And peace to you too! Just one comment, this is why we have Scripture at the core of the Christian faith, the revealed Word of God. This is how doctrine and Catholic teaching are formed. He knows we have finite understanding; hence his Word. 😉
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Yes but understandings of Scripture vary among faiths as well as to what is taken literally and what is not. But no argument here that Catholic doctrine and teaching are formed by the Catholic Church’s understanding of itself, of Scripture and ECFs. And the faith indeed works for many and such doctrine and teaching spelled out in such a way is what many need and search and yearn for. And I’m glad you and others have found the faith that works and suits you to help believe you know the truth. The Catholic faith does indeed do a great job at that.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Yes but understandings of Scripture vary among faiths as well as to what is taken literally and what is not. But no argument here that Catholic doctrine and teaching are formed by the Catholic Church’s understanding of itself, of Scripture and ECFs. And the faith indeed works for many and such doctrine and teaching spelled out in such a way is what many need and search and yearn for. And I’m glad you and others have found the faith that works and suits you to help believe you know the truth. The Catholic faith does indeed do a great job at that.
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The Catholic faith is very logical and helps to guide us in our decisions in times of uncertainty.
 
Beautiful said:
Recall all the well publicized divorces and atrocities related to heterosexual activities. Think about the offenses that touch your own personal life. All that has lead up to the rainbow stripes on the WH is a spawn of those years and that set of people and their lifestyle. Much destruction has spawned from the group of people call baby boomers.
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I must agree. I am a Boomer.
 
a_priori said:
I must agree. I am a Boomer.
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So is Anthony Kennedy. Thanks guys! (just joking; you clearly handle it better than others) 😃 But I do honestly wonder…when oh when oh when will the sixties (and seventies) finally end. (or at least when can we stop calling it “progress”)
 
FollowChrist34 said:
So is Anthony Kennedy. Thanks guys! (just joking; you clearly handle it better than others) 😃 But I do honestly wonder…when oh when oh when will the sixties (and seventies) finally end. (or at least when can we stop calling it “progress”)
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Lol. I agree. I used to think the Republic would be lucky to survive President Obama. But he’s just a symptom. America will be lucky to survive my generation (Boomers). We are the reason there are rainbows at the White House. But the Boomer problem might be a subject for a separate thread. Don’t want to get too off-topic.
 
lax16 said:
Yes, to think things have come this far this quickly…
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If my memory serves correctly, in 1996 Obama said in an interview that he was in favor of instituting same-sex marriage. I think when he was running for President he was far more anxious to appear to be an adherent to Christianity. (He said something to the effect that he was a Christian and that “God factors in to this.”)

Unfortunately, the President has spent enough time around Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden that one can hardly blame him for getting confused about what Christianity teaches. 🤷
 
FollowChrist34 said:
So is Anthony Kennedy. Thanks guys! (just joking; you clearly handle it better than others) 😃 But I do honestly wonder…when oh when oh when will the sixties (and seventies) finally end. (or at least when can we stop calling it “progress”)
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So many of the grandchildren of the Boomers think this nonsense is a fact and that anyone who doesn’t buy into it is a backward bigot who hates other people as a hobby. A large fraction of Americans, possibly most of those under the age of 35, have been confused by the errors of relativism and arrogantly bigoted against anything that was held as a matter of common belief and values before 1950. I don’t know if they’ll ever be able to recognize which way is up.
 
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