White people have 13 dollars for every dollar held by black Americans

[bisco1]

i think they coexist very nicely.

 

[SuperLuigi]

=VeritasLuxMea;12567967]Does big government also include the astronomical amount of money that the U.S. government spends blowing up brown people to hell and gone with ludicrously expensive military equipment?

I actually don’t know if they go to hell. But if this comment is referring to drone strikes against radical Islamist terrorists, well, only 20% of Muslims are Arabs, which is what I assume is meant by “brown people”.

I worry about this somewhat, too, because the terrorists don’t need to spend millions to succeed. I remember reading that the entire cost of them doing 9-11 was less than 200,000 dollars.

BTW, being against big government AND recognizing that pronounced wealth disparity exists between whites and people of color in the U.S., are those two things mutually exclusive?

:nope: :dts:

People of color compared to whites? Asians are actually better off than whites in many respects. Educated Muslims and GLBTQ folks in many cases are better off than the white middle class as well. It’s not so clear cut.

So, we need to have knowledge to be effective at what we do. A lot of “help the poor” efforts are often rendered meaningless and altogether ineffective by allowing emotion and good intentions to blind the logical process. Big government is notorious for this. Truthfully, a lot of people who are being “helped” are disgusted with the motives for those trying to help, and from I’ve seen, they’ve got a point in many cases.

So, one really cannot berate the government and then do nothing to help the poor or just expect them to suffer because of chance or because not everyone comes out on top in the free market. That shows disrespect for neighbor and the integrity of human spirit in the free market system.

Knowledge also helps us better relate and understand those who are poor and need help so that they are more likely to adopt a viable solution.

 

[GraceUnderFire]

I think it is certainly possible, but there are a great many obstacles yet to be overcome. 150 years should have been plenty of time, but there is a need for changes of attitude on every side.

OK, let me get this straight: several hundreds of years of slavery followed by Jim Crow/Segregation/Racism etc could have been eradicated in a fraction of the length of time that those institutions existed???

Interesting logic. . .

 

[GraceUnderFire]

African-Americans are worse off under Obama and the current economy.

Slavery? Try big government.

The two are not mutually exclusive. I maintain that slavery/Jim Crow/Segregation/etc contributed more to the current state that President Obama’s 6 years have. I get that people dislike Obama but let’s be realistic.

 

[GraceUnderFire]

I wonder what black economist Walter Williams, or Thomas Sowell would say in response.

Jon

They would quite intelligently realize that impact of slavery in comparison with 6 years under Obama would be playing a much bigger factor.

 

[petra22]

Where are the jobs for all our people???

 

[JRRTFAN]

I wonder what black economist Walter Williams, or Thomas Sowell would say in response.

Jon

There’s no need to speculate, both have written widely on the issue. Black society was generally a 2 parent, married, unit at the end of WWII, poised to do quite well. At the death of Kennedy, Johnson took over and we shortly had “The Great Society” which, in my view, created the welfare mess that destroyed the black community. When 70% of children who are born (those who are allowed to be born) do not have 2 committed parents and fatherless households abound the problem, in every race, economic development of te offspring is almost guaranteed. Slavery did not create the issue.

 

[RGCheek]

Does big government also include the astronomical amount of money that the U.S. government spends blowing up brown people to hell and gone with ludicrously expensive military equipment?

Why do you move the goal posts? The topic is ‘black vrs white’ not brown people who are classified as white. But if something bad is happening to them, in your opinion, then they metamorphose into ‘brown’ people instead.

FYI, Arabs and Afghans are Caucasian and therefore ‘white’. ‘Brown’ is just a statistical evasion of data that shows that bad things happen to white people too.

BTW, being against big government AND recognizing that pronounced wealth disparity exists between whites and people of color in the U.S., …

Why do you pretend that white is not a color? To separate all whites from everyone else in the human race denoted as ‘people of color’ is to dehumanize white people by sleight of hand.

are those two things mutually exclusive? Because they aren’t in my case. But a lot of people are acting like they must be.

I don’t think you understand most of the anti-big government critique here. They are saying that the government is HURTING all lower class people of all races. A more informative analysis would look at the data along economic class lines and would show that the top 5% is gaining while everyone else has been losing with the top 1% just taking off by cosmic ratios from everyone else.

The introduction of racial analysis does not help but on obfuscates the issue and creates more heat than light.

 

[RGCheek]

Where are the jobs for all our people???

Immigrants of all races and legalities have gained all the jobs created since the year 2000.

politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/dec/02/peter-morici/economist-immigrants-have-taken-all-new-jobs-creat/

“(They) have captured all of the nearly 9 million jobs created since 2000,” Morici wrote. “Illegal immigrants hold many of these positions, and now the president threatens to legalize their status by executive action if the Republican Congress won’t cave to his demands.”

A reader wondered if Morici was right about immigrants scoring all of the new jobs. Morici’s statement that “illegal immigrants hold many of these positions” is a bit vague, so this fact-check focuses only on his claim about immigrants, both legal and illegal, capturing “all of the nearly 9 million jobs created since 2000.”

Morici told PunditFact he got his numbers from a recent report by the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that favors reduced immigration.

“The total number of working-age (16 to 65) immigrants (legal and illegal) holding a job increased 5.7 million from the first quarter of 2000 to the first quarter of 2014, while declining 127,000 for natives,” the report said.

While the report didn’t spell out how many jobs the economy gained since 2000, it provided a link to a table that showed a growth of about 5.5 million jobs. These numbers largely match data provided by the government’s Bureau of Labor Statistics.

 

[Sarcelle]

Hmm, I am neither black nor white so I must have about $6.00.

I read an article some years ago that stated that recently immigrated people from Africa have higher educational and income levels than either whites or Asian Americans.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Junk statistics with a racial agenda, intended to inflame. I’d be more interested to know the racial analysis of the tax burden. And perhaps the Washington Post could also enlighten us as to why the situation they’re citing even exists after uncounted hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent since the days of LBJ on the “war on poverty.”

I am white but I truly believe there are hundred thousands of blacks if not millions that have more money than I do right now so I find this article pretty ridiculous. With the recession we have been in though the middle class whether you are white, black or hispanic has been hit hard.
I find this article inflammatory to say the least.

 

[JonNC]

Never heard that one. Ethnicity is defined as belonging to a national or cultural tradition. I think it is safe to say that there are quite more cultural traditions than Hispanic and Non-Hispanic.
There’s this website called the Joshua project and in 2010 they had identified over 9,000 different ethnicities.

But the federal government does not. They consider only two categories under ethnicity.

The 2010 Census form asked two questions about race and ethnicity.** First, people were asked whether they are of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin. **Then they were asked to choose one or more of 15 options that make up five race categories — white, black, American Indian/Alaska Native, Asian, or Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander. A separate question about Hispanic origin has been asked of all households since 1980, and the census form specifically instructs respondents that Hispanic origins are not races.

The bolding is mine. It was the only question about ethnicity.

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/14/u-s-census-looking-at-big-changes-in-how-it-asks-about-race-and-ethnicity/

I am a public school teacher, and periodically, they ask questions about our race and ethnicity: On ethnicity, we are given the choice of “hsipanic”, or “not hispanic”. I always cross them out and put down that I am ethnically “American”.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

Junk statistics with a racial agenda, intended to inflame. I’d be more interested to know the racial analysis of the tax burden. And perhaps the Washington Post could also enlighten us as to why the situation they’re citing even exists after uncounted **hundreds of billions of dollars **have been spent since the days of LBJ on the “war on poverty.”

Hundreds of billions? More like tens of trillions!

Jon

 

[Yeoman]

I doubt it’s related to President Obama or the current economy. It’s just not surprising given the history of slavery in this country. It would take more than just 150-ish years for minorities to catch up, if it is even possible for the demographic as a whole.

Indeed, in real historical terms addressing anything of this type often takes a couple of centuries. And if we regard the plight of African Americans as distressed, consider the plight of Native Americans, where the disparity is much more extreme, but not surprisingly so, given that they’re not far removed from an aboriginal state, in real terms, and the victims of ongoing poorly thought out experiments and policies.

 

[JonNC]

They would quite intelligently realize that impact of slavery in comparison with 6 years under Obama would be playing a much bigger factor.

Um, probably not.

jewishworldreview.com/cols/williamns082714.php3

Jon

 

[bisco1]

the irish assimilated nicely in less than a hundred years after initial persecution. i think it’s more about how people look (physical appearance) that causes segregation and injustice.

 

[bisco1]

regarding the o/p, i think it’s the nature of the recovery. if you are invested in the stock market, you have recovered very nicely. but if your meager savings are in a bank, you’re losing out to inflation. if you’re working, but living paycheck to paycheck, inflation is eating you alive.

 

[JonNC]

regarding the o/p, i think it’s the nature of the recovery. if you are invested in the stock market, you have recovered very nicely. but if your meager savings are in a bank, you’re losing out to inflation. if you’re working, but living paycheck to paycheck, inflation is eating you alive.

Most notably the inflation caused by ACA.

Jon

 

[bisco1]

well, i don’t know anything about that, so i can’t say one way or another. what i can say is that my private health insurance has been subject to many years of double digit increases over the past 30 years.

 

[JonNC]

well, i don’t know anything about that, so i can’t say one way or another. what i can say is that my private health insurance has been subject to many years of double digit increases over the past 30 years.

Which coincides with the time period of the highest growth of federal interference in the health care market, culminating with ACA.

Jon