White people have 13 dollars for every dollar held by black Americans

[jmcrae]

if i heard a shop owner tell an employee to follow me around, i wouldn’t mention if i saw someone shoplifting either.

Perhaps not. Even so, you can’t say “no one caught them,” unless you assume that you yourself are “no one.”

You are someone. You can report it.

 

[bisco1]

very true.

 

[RACJ]

I agree that Blacks have so many more opportunities today than in the past, and I’m sure most Blacks, particularly those who have lived through the period of outright discrimination, would also agree. However, if the nondiscrimination laws, including those applicable to fair housing, equal employment, voting rights, and so forth, were dismantled or weakened, I wonder whether modern-day society is ready, even 50 years later, to treat African Americans equally, although it may seem to you and others that society has gone overboard in giving them, as well as other minorities, fair treatment and then some.

The racist rabble depend upon the perception that nothing has changed to shake down millions for themselves. I am not a landlord, but I know many. Anyone willing to respect property and pay rent on time is welcome. Period. But let’s say in theory that there may be someone who wants lily white tenants only. Are blacks or Hispanics incapable of owning rental properties themselves? I think it’s supremely insulting to postulate that if Sherlock Holmes manages to ferret out a few whites who are still racists, minorities will be incapable of overcoming those roadblocks. Everyone has obstacles.

 

[bisco1]

i look at a show like american pickers. two white guys travel the country, and are invited into peoples houses to look at their ‘valuables’. and i say to myself, ‘self, if they were two black guys, would they get the same reception? and i answer myself, no chance.’

 

[meltzerboy]

The racist rabble depend upon the perception that nothing has changed to shake down millions for themselves. I am not a landlord, but I know many. Anyone willing to respect property and pay rent on time is welcome. Period. But let’s say in theory that there may be someone who wants lily white tenants only. Are blacks or Hispanics incapable of owning rental properties themselves? I think it’s supremely insulting to postulate that if Sherlock Holmes manages to ferret out a few whites who are still racists, minorities will be incapable of overcoming those roadblocks. Everyone has obstacles.

Yes, everyone has obstacles in life, but these should not be obstacles based on discriminatory and nowadays illegal practices, which you are describing.

Talking about landlords, one of my landladies back in the 1980’s in New York City told me point-blank that she does not rent to Blacks. She also added that she was happy to rent to Jews because they are so intellectual. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry, but since I really needed and wanted the apartment, I rented from her despite her insulting remarks.

 

[bisco]

i had no idea we had finally ended racism, thanks be to God.

 

[stinkcat_14]

i had no idea we had finally ended racism, thanks be to God.

Who claimed racism has been ended?

 

[Sarcelle]

Actually, they were. You caught them. But for some reason, you didn’t report them.

Not if non-white people who catch white people shoplifting mention the fact to the owner.

Oh we did. Took us some time to locate the owner. The sales clerk who was tailing us got distracted by another customer asking questions. We could not locate her either.

These people were gone by the time we reached the owner. Didn’t matter anyway since the owner did not believe my friend when he reported the incidences later on.

Anyway, this happened long, long ago, when I was in the military and shopping off base. The shop owner also did not like the military presence.

 

[RACJ]

Yes, everyone has obstacles in life, but these should not be obstacles based on discriminatory and nowadays illegal practices, which you are describing.

Talking about landlords, one of my landladies back in the 1980’s in New York City told me point-blank that she does not rent to Blacks. She also added that she was happy to rent to Jews because they are so intellectual. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry, but since I really needed and wanted the apartment, I rented from her despite her insulting remarks.

So, reverse discrimination should continue until every last white person sheds his bigotry? What you are demanding from government is preferential treatment which never ends. David Duke would have a hard time filling a closet with his supporters, yet Louis Farrakhan can pack arenas, if you want to talk bibgotry.
Slavery ended 150 years ago. It’s LONG past time that Americans got over it, just as I have gotten over the ruthless treatment dished out to my ancestors in the coal mines in the early 20th Century. My own grandfather was electrocuted at age 29 b/c he couldn’t afford decent shoes. But those days are over! :sad_yes:

 

[Ridgerunner]

I agree that Blacks have so many more opportunities today than in the past, and I’m sure most Blacks, particularly those who have lived through the period of outright discrimination, would also agree. However, if the nondiscrimination laws, including those applicable to fair housing, equal employment, voting rights, and so forth, were dismantled or weakened, I wonder whether modern-day society is ready, even 50 years later, to treat African Americans equally, although it may seem to you and others that society has gone overboard in giving them, as well as other minorities, fair treatment and then some.

I don’t think we’ll know one way or another under the present system. I am aware of an otherwise lily-white town in which one black family lives. No Hispanics at all. That black guy was elected to the city council. Two families adopted black or racially mixed children. (kind of hard to distinguish sometimes) Soooo. Who knows?

Racism, I think, will always be with us in some form. But I’m not sure discrimination is really racial anymore when it comes to objective actions like hiring. If a black or white or Hispanic person applied for work in my business and couldn’t speak or write proper English, I wouldn’t hire him/her, period. Just plain period. If, on the other hand, he/she could, and if I needed someone, I would hire the person. The area in which I live is virtually all “white” other than a smattering of Hispanics. I have hired Hispanics if they made a good presentation and could speak and write proper English, because that’s necessary in my business.

I’ll probably be called racist for this, but so much of the time when I’m outside this area and have contact with blacks, (I rarely see them here, but it’s no different when I do) their English usage is almost uniformly terrible. Nearly incomprehensible at least to me. Some really deep country (white) hillbillies’ English usage is terrible too, and I wouldn’t hire them for my work either. But it really isn’t all that common among white people, at least here. Young Hispanics’ English is usually pretty good, even if their parents’ is not. Somebody, somewhere, has probably made a study of all that.

Is that terrible English usage due to slavery, lo, this century and a half later? I find that difficult to believe if Mexican kids do a better job as first or second generation residents, even if they largely speak Spanish at home. Is it somehow a “self identifier” among blacks, without which they would feel themselves adrift in a “white” world; a stranger to their families and themselves?

 

[Elena321]

There are poor “white” people too.
“White” people get followed around by shop assistants too,at least in my country they do.
They also,in addition to “black” people,receive Police brutality with no justice and the police get off as just doing their job.
Google Kelly Thomas for example.
I believe wherever there are more well off people they have an obligation to help the worse off,regardless of colour etc.
It’s easy to say they should help themselves,and this may be true to some extend, but people in poverty often have certain barriers such as mindset problems,low self esteem,poor nutrition affecting their thinking clarity,poor school performance,chronic stress form living in poverty etc so the well off need to help them.

 

[bisco1]

i don’t recall Jesus ever saying that the poor need to help themselves. He fed them, cured them, and pastored them. He called them blessed. let us all help those who need our help. our sisters and brothers, our neighbor.

 

[RGCheek]

If you are of a mind that thinks Group B commits most of the crimes, you will be keeping a close eye on members of that group while ignoring members of other groups. The result is you will more likely catch members of Group B committing crimes which will in turn reinforce your bias.

Members of group A may be committing more crimes but since you are not paying as much attention to them, you won’t be catching them committing crimes. In short you will only see what you expect to see.

Profiling works to a limited extent but it is not foolproof.

I can give you a specific example. A friend of mine and I were browsing in a store. We overheard the store owner instruct one of his clerks to follow us around because we were not white and we could shoplift. The clerk followed us around but since we did not shoplift they did not catch anyone. In the meantime, we have observed several white people shoplift and walk out the store. They were not caught. Chances are, a nonwhite person could shoplift next time get caught and reinforce the owner’s belief that only nonwhite people shoplift.

But the facts say that most inter-racial crime is committed by blacks.

iontheworld.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/the-color-of-crime-race-crime-and-justice-in-america/

Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial violent crimes involving blacks and whites reported every year, blacks commit 90 percent and whites commit only ten percent. Blacks are therefore more than 50 times more likely than whites to commit interracial crimes of violence. The differences are even greater for multiple-offender interracial crimes, with blacks 100 to 250 times more likely to be involved in gang attacks on whites than the reverse. Some people may argue that blacks attack whites because they expect them to be carrying cash or valuables. However, fewer than 20 percent of black attacks on whites are robberies; rape and assault do not usually have economic motives.

The question is WHY is this the case, and I think it is demographic and not genetic in origin. Every ethnic group that has made its way to our shores went directly into the urban economy, while blacks were held back by slavery and Jim Crow. Once Jim Crow was banished, the black community slowly began to urbanize and had all the earmarks of a rural ethnic group urbanizing in modern America; low IQ test results on average and high crime rates, just like the Italians, Irish and Jews, etc that came before them into the urban economy.

But those groups were not targeted by a demagogic leadership with a welfare system designed to entrap people in poverty for the rest of their lives and gave economic incentives for them to break up their families. Thus the black community has had an underclass develop that despises learning, is mostly fatherless and resents the surrounding white community, blaming them for all their ills.

I think that is the root of most of what we are discussing here instead of white racism that is really no more than reflexive bigotry that is universal to all ethnicities.

Real progress wont come until our nation jettisons racial identity in our legal system and treats all races as equal in a color blind court system.

 

[Sarcelle]

But the facts say that most inter-racial crime is committed by blacks.

iontheworld.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/the-color-of-crime-race-crime-and-justice-in-america/

The question is WHY is this the case, and I think it is demographic and not genetic in origin. Every ethnic group that has made its way to our shores went directly into the urban economy, while blacks were held back by slavery and Jim Crow. Once Jim Crow was banished, the black community slowly began to urbanize and had all the earmarks of a rural ethnic group urbanizing in modern America; low IQ test results on average and high crime rates, just like the Italians, Irish and Jews, etc that came before them into the urban economy.

But those groups were not targeted by a demagogic leadership with a welfare system designed to entrap people in poverty for the rest of their lives and gave economic incentives for them to break up their families. Thus the black community has had an underclass develop that despises learning, is mostly fatherless and resents the surrounding white community, blaming them for all their ills.

I think that is the root of most of what we are discussing here instead of white racism that is really no more than reflexive bigotry that is universal to all ethnicities.

Real progress wont come until our nation jettisons racial identity in our legal system and treats all races as equal in a color blind court system.

Yes, I see your point and I agree with you.

 

[qui_est_ce]

But the facts say that most inter-racial crime is committed by blacks.

iontheworld.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/the-color-of-crime-race-crime-and-justice-in-america/

The question is WHY is this the case, and I think it is demographic and not genetic in origin. Every ethnic group that has made its way to our shores went directly into the urban economy, while blacks were held back by slavery and Jim Crow. Once Jim Crow was banished, the black community slowly began to urbanize and had all the earmarks of a rural ethnic group urbanizing in modern America; low IQ test results on average and high crime rates, just like the Italians, Irish and Jews, etc that came before them into the urban economy.

But those groups were not targeted by a demagogic leadership with a welfare system designed to entrap people in poverty for the rest of their lives and gave economic incentives for them to break up their families. Thus the black community has had an underclass develop that despises learning, is mostly fatherless and resents the surrounding white community, blaming them for all their ills.

I think that is the root of most of what we are discussing here instead of white racism that is really no more than reflexive bigotry that is universal to all ethnicities.

Real progress wont come until our nation jettisons racial identity in our legal system and treats all races as equal in a color blind court system.

Very well said.

The black family did relatively well (compared to how it is faring today) before Welfare entitlements and racial quotas. IMHO, the quota system did very little to enhance the standing of blacks in society.

I’ve said it before, I could forgive Obama for many of his policies if he would just go into the black community and be a leader. Give them motivation and hope. Tell them they could become president. But he doesn’t. He stokes tensions by sympathizing with perceived racism.

 

[RACJ]

i don’t recall Jesus ever saying that the poor need to help themselves. He fed them, cured them, and pastored them. He called them blessed. let us all help those who need our help. our sisters and brothers, our neighbor.

Jesus did not, however, exhort the Roman government of his day to fleece the wealthy and transfer their possessions to those who have not earned them, nor to those who will vote to keep “Caesar” in power. His directive is to each individual human heart. It is only charity when it is freely given.
It is amazing to observe how liberals have come to see theft as charity, and moreover how they confer pure motives upon those whose “generosity” is extracted from others’ pockets!

 

[RACJ]

Very well said.

The black family did relatively well (compared to how it is faring today) before Welfare entitlements and racial quotas. IMHO, the quota system did very little to enhance the standing of blacks in society.

I’ve said it before, I could forgive Obama for many of his policies if he would just go into the black community and be a leader. Give them motivation and hope. Tell them they could become president. But he doesn’t. He stokes tensions by sympathizing with perceived racism.

Obama “stokes tensions”, as you say, every time he opens his mouth, whether about race or any other subject. His strategy is ALWAYS to pit “us against them”, after he tells us how hard he has been working, in a bi-partisan fashion, to solve problems.

Obama: “I am willing to listen to any and all good ideas from Democrats, Republicans and independents. BUT, what I am NOT willing to do is (fill in the blank).”
Well, he IS listening to Al Sharpton, who has been a guest at the WH 84 times. I am sure that Al has been a fountain of “good ideas”.

 

[bisco1]

Jesus did not, however, exhort the Roman government of his day to fleece the wealthy and transfer their possessions to those who have not earned them, nor to those who will vote to keep “Caesar” in power. His directive is to each individual human heart. It is only charity when it is freely given.
It is amazing to observe how liberals have come to see theft as charity, and moreover how they confer pure motives upon those whose “generosity” is extracted from others’ pockets!

i also don’t recall Him whining and complaining about taxes.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Jesus did not, however, exhort the Roman government of his day to fleece the wealthy and transfer their possessions to those who have not earned them, nor to those who will vote to keep “Caesar” in power. His directive is to each individual human heart. It is only charity when it is freely given.
It is amazing to observe how liberals have come to see theft as charity, and moreover how they confer pure motives upon those whose “generosity” is extracted from others’ pockets!

 

[RACJ]

i also don’t recall Him whining and complaining about taxes.

Maybe if he saw people losing their homes b/c the government was spending millions observing the mating habits of aardvarks, he would have. We’ll never know. But I did notice how you deflected my point by changing the subject.