Whitewashing US history with 'patriotic education' -Trump

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This kind of stuff just blows my mind. It’s the kind of stuff that normally is condemned when Russia and China do it.

Weeks from the presidential election, and with a national reckoning on racial justice under way, Donald Trump has decided it is time to rewrite the American history curriculum to downplay the dark legacy of slavery.

Speaking at a conference in Washington DC on Thursday, the president announced a new national commission to promote “patriotic education” and counter the “decades of leftwing indoctrination” to which he claims US schoolchildren have been subjected. “Our youth will be taught to love America,” he said.

The simmering tensions between the Trump administration and its own scientists over the response to the pandemic were exposed again on Thursday, when the New York Times reported that controversial Covid-19 testing guidance posted on the CDC website was not written by the agency’s scientists, and had been posted despite their objections.

 
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normally is condemned when Russia and China do it.
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Because they are fighting the truth, whereas Trump is fighting lies.
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Russia and China believe they are fighting for truth as well. That is why they were so able to lull the people into accepting government involvement in all areas of life.
 
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China believe they are fighting for truth as well.
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Do you seriously believe that? The Chinese system is one vast exercise in lies and the propagation of lies. And the Chinese government, which is not stupid, knows it.
 
I don’t think you have a good understanding of the current history curriculum. It is heavily slanted and just flat out wrong in its assumptions. Read up some of the critiques of the “1619 Project” that the New York Times is peddling. It’s absolute drivel. Now I haven’t seen what exactly Trump’s curriculum would look like but I doubt it would be as awful as what is currently taught.
 
Both China and Russia see the liberal international order as based on principles that they abhor. They view equality and freedom and the democratic way as base and opposed to the true order of things.
 
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principles that they abhor.
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Actually, it’s not that they abhor those principles, it’s that they find those principles an inconvenient obstacle to the maintenance of the murderous regimes they cling to
 
Maybe the since 1776 is not the best way but I think the 1619 project is exponentially worse.
 
Motherwit said:
This kind of stuff just blows my mind. It’s the kind of stuff that normally is condemned when Russia and China do it.
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To compare what Trump said, what America stands for, to Russia and China is despicable.
It is quite important to provide our children an honest presentation of America, the greatness of the principles of our founding, the disturbing instances when we haven’t lived up to those great principles (slavery and segregation, theTrail of Tears), and the dramatic steps we’ve taken to live up to those founding principles.
That’s a patriotic approach to teaching US history.

Here’s a start.

 
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This reminds me of Nixon removing one of the songs (“Cool, Cool Conservative Men”) in the movie “1776” because it demonstrated it was actually the conservatives who opposed the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

There seems to be some truth to the adage “The winners write the history books.”
 
The United States did practise slavery, and for about 100 years. What lies specifically are being countered?
 
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The United States did practise slavery, and for about 100 years. What lies specifically are being countered?
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Who said slavery wasn’t in America?
The teaching that America‘s founding was based on slavery and white supremacy is a lie.
The teaching that racism is in America!s DNA is a lie.
The accusation of “white privilege” is a lie.
The assertion that , today, there is systemic or institutional racism is a lie.
 
What was taught and what is going to be taught and what will change?
The news article gives nothing away in respect to those questions.
 
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What was taught and what is going to be taught and what will change?
The news article gives nothing away in respect to those questions.
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That’s because a commission will work through it. Trump is not writing a curriculum.

But here’s the main point: if people insist on a federal department of education, they can’t complain if the president sets the tone on what is taught. Personally, as a retired teacher, I see no positives coming from the existence of federal interference in what is a function of local and state government.
 
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That is why they were so able to lull the people into accepting government involvement in all areas of life.
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100,000,000 dead fellow citizens will also “lull” a population into “accepting” government involvement in all areas of life…
 
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That’s because a commission will work through it. Trump is not writing a curriculum
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What is currently being taught is a question
anyone announcing its change should be able to answer. How it is going to change should be quite substantial in response too.

There should be an answer to these questions in a general way, published now somewhere.
 
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I have yet to meet an American that does not know Americas past mistakes. You can Love America with her dodgy past. We are indeed the greatest nation. That does not mean that other nations are not great. But over all we are the best.

Disagree?
Then what nation is the best?
Why?
 
I’d say America is perhaps one of the “worst”, but there are no good nations.
 
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