Whitewashing US history with 'patriotic education' -Trump

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Trump is a demagogue just like Biden, and he is playing to his voting demographic very shrewdly.

Those who exalt him are unfortunately naive. Whether he represents the lesser of two evils is debatable. And yes- abortion is normally the issue with most weight. But proportionate reason holds much weight too… Just need eyes to see.
 
umamibella said:
What is currently being taught is a question
anyone announcing its change should be able to answer. How it is going to change should be quite substantial in response too.
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To the extent that the false history of the 1619 Project and Critical Race Theory is being taught, it should be stopped. OTOH, a teaching of US history that overlooks the terrible things done to blacks and Native Americans should not be taught either. We can teach the great principles of the founding while also teaching where we as a nation have failed to live up to those principles.
I provided a link to how actual history should be taught. There are great curricula options out there like Core Knowledge.
 
Depends who you ask, how many American indians think it’s the greatest nation, how many black people think it’s the greatest nation, how many poor white people think it’s the greatest nation, you’ll get a varying degree of answers. Same with most countries I guess who think theirs is the greatest, also probably what you mean by greatest.
 
PatienceAndHumility said:
Trump is a demagogue just like Biden
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This is such a patient and humble statement. :roll_eyes:
PatienceAndHumility said:
and he is playing to his voting demographic very shrewdly
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Then every American should be in his voting demographic.
PatienceAndHumility said:
Those who exalt him are unfortunately naive.
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Who exalted him? I certainly think his words in the speech are worthy of high praise.
PatienceAndHumility said:
Whether he represents the lesser of two evils is debatable. And yes- abortion is normally the issue with most weight. But proportionate reason holds much weight too… Just need eyes to see.
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I think it is beyond debate that he is the lesser of the evils, on many issues including abortion.
 
That’s because you seem to believe in government power over individual rights.
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The idea of “individual rights” relies on a government power to bestow them to people. I am against individual rights and government power.
 
JonNC said:
I think it is beyond debate that he is the lesser of the evils, on many issues including abortion
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At surface level yes- it appears an easy choice. The policies of both candidates make it a simple decision for Catholics, indeed. But try looking a little deeper.

Also- I stand by calling Trump a demagogue. Not sure how that disagrees with patience and humility.
 
Peebo said:
Depends who you ask, how many American indians think it’s the greatest nation, how many black people think it’s the greatest nation, how many poor white people think it’s the greatest nation
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Can anyone name a country where blacks have a higher standard of living than the United States?
That’s not an excuse for the historic mistreatment of blacks, but a statement of how far this country has come to right those wrongs.
 
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Peebo said:
Depends who you ask, how many American indians think it’s the greatest nation, how many black people think it’s the greatest nation, how many poor white people think it’s the greatest nation
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Can anyone name a country where blacks have a higher standard of living than the United States?
That’s not an excuse for the historic mistreatment of blacks, but a statement of how far this country has come to right those wrong

I’m not arguing that,that’s not what I was replying to, but as to standards of living here is a list of the top ten, I guess there are black people living in those countries also.

Based on these indices, the ten countries with the highest quality of life are:
  1. Denmark
  2. Switzerland
  3. Finland
  4. Australia
  5. Netherlands
  6. Austria
  7. Iceland
  8. New Zealand
  9. Germany
  10. Estonia
Like I said, depends who you ask.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
The idea of “individual rights” relies on a government power to bestow them to people. I am against individual rights and government power.
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That is a false understanding of rights. Natural rights exist antecedent to government. Government does not, cannot create or remove rights. It cannot provide rights because it has no mandate and no independent means to do so. Government can only provide provides, that can just as easily be removed and often can be abused as extortion over individuals.
Government has one role regarding rights: protect them.
 
Rockoh22 said:
But over all we are the best.
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The US has many strengths and I as an American agree.

However thinking we are the best is arrogance and pride and you know where pride leads to.

As Christians we must stay humble and be willing to learn from others.
 
Sarcelle said:
It wasn’t a lie during the days of the Jim Crow South.
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Yes it was. This is part of the conflation of rights and privileges. What Democrats did in the Jim Crow south is use government power to deny rights, not extend privileges.
 
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Please identify the the black populations their that that have a median income of $42000 and a mean income of $58000.
 
I think I told you that I was replying to another question, I also said I wasn’t arguing against what you said, so have at it by yourself.
 
Peebo said:
I think I told you that I was replying to another question, I also said I wasn’t arguing against what you said, so have at it by yourself.
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That’s up to you. My point is simply that American blacks have made tremendous progress over the last 60 years, once systemic racism was dismantled. The only thing that has been in the way has been the social welfare state’s impact on black families.
 
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