If they did, they wouldn’t support the economic tyranny and oppression that is socialism. They would look back at the 20th century and see more than 100 million civilians killed by socialists. They would look at the difference between East and West Germany when the wall came down. They would recognize how ignorant it is to support socialism.
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Balto1
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The problem with those of you still firmly entrenched in the Cold War mindset is kids can just look around today where capitalism kills like 20 million or so people every single year. Even after accepting that 100 million figure for socialists at face value socialism is much preferable to capitalism when it comes to the numbers.
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What they claim doesn’t matter it only matters what they do & that is to make profit.
Yes agree but so does Capitalism, difference being it is much more subtle.
If you are suggesting Fascism is only conducted by states, then how do you explain the rise of individual wealth when governments own the means of production?
As well as see the poor, the, hungry, the homeless, humanity that are subject to the failures of capitalism, to spread far & wide enough to look after all.
So patently false it boggles the mind. These are the kinds of falsehoods that young people here. Meanwhile, 14 blacks die at the hands of police and the entire country is enraged…
…until the blackshirt violence starts. And the left compares that to 20th century socialists, fascist and communist.
Those who fail to learn real history will live to repeat it. Bernie snd AOC will be happy to help them repeat it.
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Capitalism is what people will do in their economic relationships if allowed to choose. It’s trading that which I value less for that which I value more, with a person who is doing the exact same thing.
State profit is socialism.
Free markets do not deny rights Government denies rights. Criminals deny rights. Governments that fail to protect rights are complicit with the denial of rights.
Socialism is far more efficient at creating, imposing and perpetuating poverty. Free markets have been the engines hat has brought more people out of poverty than anytime in history.
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So false it’s true.
Well, yeah. The dumb kids that are the subject of this thread learned all about the Boston Massacre where only 5 people died, of course they’re going to take to the streets when 14 people are killed (thousands over the years). You should probably remove the American Revolution from the curriculum if you don’t want kids to learn about it.
There we have it. The freedom to choose how you live your life.
Socialism is government forcing you to not do as you choose, and kill or imprison you if you resist.
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The leftist Orwellian illogic. True is false and false is true.
Something a socialist like Hitler did in hours, Mao in minutes. In America, the overwhelming majority of Americans are outraged.
Kids should learn about everything American, which, despite our many faults, is the greatest country in the history of the world.
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Totally agree with you, Capitalism is the a balance of what we know at the moment. A person without particular skill doesn’t really have a choice other than to accept what is on offer, the take it or leave it approach.EssentialBeing:
Capitalism is what people will do in their economic relationships if allowed to choose. It’s trading that which I value less for that which I value more, with a person who is doing the exact same thing.
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No not true as Capitalism is responsible for how we live, where we live & how we spend. As I said it is subtle, we either choose to be subservient to capitalism or we don’t survive.EssentialBeing:
Free markets do not deny rights Government denies rights. Criminals deny rights. Governments that fail to protect rights are complicit with the denial of rights.
A person oppressed under socialism is allowed choice. Do what you’re told.
“From each according to his ability. To each according to his needs. “
Who decides your ability? The tyrant.
Who decides your needs? The tyrant.
Again, choice. Socialism offers no choice. Do what the government says. Even under the fascist form of socialism, this is true.
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No, it was a joke. My figure is solid, and certainly as solid as any 100 million figure ascribed to socialism.
In the time since your post capitalism has killed over 500 people.
Name a capitalist who killed, oh let’s do an easy one, as many as the socialist PolPot. Remember, I need a name.
lol. What are their names? What are the names of the people who killed them ?
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Capitalism is subtle & almost the same, as in work how I tell you, receive what I think is right or go without, hungry & homeless.
The job on offer
The amount of income
You are trying to make distinctions between socialism & capitalism & yes there are plenty of examples regarding the differences. What most people understand is that they both have merits & they both have failures
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Huh, I thought you were crediting that 100 million figure to “socialism”, but you appear to actually be crediting it to various authoritarian leaders?
Or go somewhere else and work. Or go to school and improve your skills. Or do great work snd advance. Most of the time, it is up to the individual. And the American “poor“ live better than much of the world’s population.
And you can improve your skills.
Which is in your hands.
I cannot think of a single merit in socialism.
Socialism. PolPot was a socialist. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, keep naming the socialists.
Now, name me the capitalists.
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Have you considered that not everyone can be a doctor, not ever everyone can be a stockbroker, not everyone can be a fireman. The fact that capitalism always relies on the improvement path of skills, training & education seems to be self defeating.
Fact is these jobs don’t exist for everyone, not everyone can be the number one tennis player, or the number one artist, there is no room in a feudalistic system for everyone to be at the peak of the pyramid.
OK if I am cleaner & wish to be an engineer, then the question will always be, how many jobs exist for an engineer. Figures would show that there are far more fully qualified engineers that can not find a job in engineering & are indeed cleaning or doing something other than what they have trained for.
Reality is training & re-skilling may be the only positive thing we can do, however it is still not a guarantee to improved income. Yes it increases the possibility of financial growth but is certainly not the outcome of all who take on this concept.
Labor unions, social security, public housing, free healthcare, free food & among many other things we seem to take forgranted.
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