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Nepperhan
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But folks are OK with the comments here that the Democratic party started the KKK (it did not) and that the Democratic party is the party of segregation (It is not).
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Wrong on both counts.
You may parse words here, but the fact is it was a Democrat organization.
As for segregation
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Nepperhan
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Sorry. We’ve been over this often and it is an inaccurate smear. I’m not going to chase that rabbit again.
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Sarcelle
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Let’s start with childbirth.
Why is the cost of childbirth so extraordinarily high?
Poorer people who do not get medical coverage from their employers, I.e., the working poor who make to much for Medicare, still can’t pay for the cost of childbirth.
Why is the cost of childbirth so extraordinarily high?
Poorer people who do not get medical coverage from their employers, I.e., the working poor who make to much for Medicare, still can’t pay for the cost of childbirth.
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Sorry. Every time we go through it you’re wrong.
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Of course they are, if it wasn’t for socialistic tendencies they wouldn’t exist.EssentialBeing:
And none of these are socialism.
Self defeating in respect to improvement with little to no reward. As we both agree the more lucrative professions are limited & despite continued self improvement, it may be met with limitations to availability both in education & employment.
I agree but the question is how many people, budding entrepreneurs find the gaps that need filling? 5-10% maybe but certainly not a large number of them.
I am not against capitalism at all, I just believe that it can do much better at providing a decent living for all who participate in the work force, even those that are unskilled.
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EssentialBeing
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You seem to be confusing Socialism with Communism, they are 2 distinctively different ideologies.
The only Socialist was Hitler, he crushed & destroyed the communist party. As for the others they were purely communist.
Please name the means of production under government control. Social safety net programs, regardless of one thinks of them are not socialism.
Self improvement always has a reward. Often financial. Sometimes personal.
One doesn’t know until one tries. The worst thing we can do is allow government to dictate.
One is a system of totalitarian rule. The other am economic system.
I agree Hitler was a socialist. So are communists.
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EssentialBeing
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That is were you seem to be confusing Socialism with Communism. In Social Democracies the government seems to control a larger portion of critical production, such as, health care, education, power generation & water infrastructure.
Yes agree, we create a society of fully qualified, educated unemployed. More personal fulfillment rather than economic gain.
Absolutely correct, but one could spend a lifetime improving with little to no economic gain.
It is a misconception of our education, as the 2 are distinctively different. Socialism is not Communism
And that is not socialism. In America, utilities are often in the hands of individuals, and virtually none of these are controlled by the general government, nor should they be. Even Medicare is not full control of the means of production.
Communism, like fascism, are totalitarian. As such they are socialist.
As recently as March we had effectively full employment. But if you have a “solution “ for education, please share.
The vast majority of Americans appear to have both. Even our poor live remarkably well, compared to the rest of the world: cell phones, TVs, automobiles. Those who don’t often have had a poor education.
That would be socialism, too. Again, if you have a substitute for being well educated, share it. (Progressive run inner city schools don’t count as an alternative).
True, but communism is always socialist. Socialism is not fascism , but fascism is always socialist.
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EssentialBeing
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That’s right not in America, nobody said that the USA was Socialistic. But it is true in France, Germany, Italy, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & many others who participate in Social Democracy. It is Socialistic for representative government to control a portion of critical infrastructure.
Totalitarian is an extreme form of any government, they become Fascist. The same can be said about unfettered Capitalism with the absence of government also becomes totalitarian. All systems of Government without limitations easily lead to Fascism.
As I have said I agree that Capitalism is the best system we know at the moment, however I also believe that it can do much better at providing a decent living for all who participate in the work force, even those that are unskilled.
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And yet we have many of these things. Thank you.
And not a single one are socialist state. They all have free market economies. They will tell you so.
No, it isn’t. A social safety net is not socialism.
Or communist, but we may be picking at nits.
No one has spoken about unfettered capitalism.
Actually, it would become anarchy.
Or communism.
Agreed. One way might be to reduce government interference and taxes so employers wouldn’t be able to rely on government to supplement payroll.
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EssentialBeing
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Of course they are, for the elected government to own critical infrastructure & resources in common for the even distribution among society. Socialism aims to distribute these resources evenly through out all of society & as such is owned by society as a whole.
I don’t see how it can be confusing as that is the definition of Socialism. And countries who’s government control most of the critical infrastructure such as, health care, education, power & water facilities are Socialistic in accordance with the definition. Yes they also practice Capitalism but not so heavily in those critical areas. Therefore we know them as Social Democracies.
Yes a possible solution among many others. Governments can stifle capitalism, no doubt, but it can also facilitate a more balanced approach to the distribution of resources. To simply retract government from any interference in Capitalism would also be Anarchy.
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You see? A remark like that simply cannot be accurate. As used, the term ‘socialism’ seem to have lost meaning. Communism is not fascism which is not socialism.
“Socialism” now means whatever conservatives dislike which costs tax money.
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EssentialBeing
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Absolutely correct, but I do suspect the education system, in particular College/Universities, simply not teaching anything other than capitalistic methods. There doesn’t seem to be a balanced view of anything that might be positive outside of Capitalism.
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Dobby
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You probably don’t understand the 1619 Project the way that Black people understand it.
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MikeInVA
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Are you saying that the republicans set the prices?
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Annie
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Maybe you can explain that then.
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Ridgerunner
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One doesn’t have to be an entrepreneur in order to have rare skills. I agree that capitalism could do a lot better in this country to provide a decent living. Importation of excessive numbers of people who compete with the lower skilled workers and the exploitation of slave labor abroad are perhaps the worst enemies of workers in the U.S.
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