Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S

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Am I alone in thinking that by “Christian values” he simply means opposing gay rights?

This paragraph is troubling too. I think the church over there may want to be careful who they honor, thier tyrany is showing.
The Kremlin’s encouragement of traditional values has sparked a rise in Orthodox vigilantism. Fringe groups such as the Union of Orthodox Banner Bearers, an ultraconservative movement whose slogan is “Orthodoxy or Death,” are gaining prominence.

Patriarch Kirill has honored the group’s leader, openly anti-Semitic monarchist Leonid Simonovich, for his services to the Orthodox Church. The Banner Bearers, who dress in black paramilitary uniforms festooned with skulls, regularly confront gay and liberal activists on the streets of Moscow.
Again, these are not Christian values.
 
Though there are a few things that a Catholic might find disagreeable in the OP, I agree with much of what is stated. Putin, in particular, understands firsthand what the ramifications of atheistic communism did to his country. He’s trying to change that.

Our country, which at one time was fairly Christian, is now turning toward the same errors that the former Soviet Union held at one time - that secular humanism is the best way to govern a society - though in the former USSR, it was practiced in an extreme form. We haven’t yet reaped the harvest of a complete breakdown of religious values here yet. But given that we’re headed in that direction, there’s great cause for concern.
 
True. Most of 'em seem to be down in the Bible Belt now though. Wonder when the “love it or leave it” crowd is going to start packing? 😃
And people wonder why southerners have an aversion to “Yankees”. Wow.
:rolleyes:
thanks for the shout out. 😦
 
When Godless Obama is out of Office which wont be long its up to every Catholic to make sure you get a man put in who believes in God, not wherever the name of God appears its struck out, I will be so happy and dance for joy when that Godless man is out of Office.
Good riddance to bad …
 
When Godless Obama is out of Office which wont be long its up to every Catholic to make sure you get a man put in who believes in God, not wherever the name of God appears its struck out, I will be so happy and dance for joy when that Godless man is out of Office.
Good riddance to bad …
Obama says he believes in God. So its not just about words, but action.
 
True. Most of 'em seem to be down in the Bible Belt now though. Wonder when the “love it or leave it” crowd is going to start packing? 😃
Well I love it in the Bible Belt and I am not planning on leaving any time soon. And it would seem like the people up North like it here in the Bible Belt to because they all seem to be moving here.😃
 
And it would seem like the people up North like it here in the Bible Belt to because they all seem to be moving here.😃
As I understand it, that’s the difference between a yankee and a d----d yankee, no? Yankees come visit, d----d yankees stay. 😃
 
And people wonder why southerners have an aversion to “Yankees”. Wow.
:rolleyes:
thanks for the shout out. 😦
Really? I thought it was the burning of Atlanta. 😃

But seriously, nothing personal, and greetings from the “godless librul Northeast.”

As far as southerners go, individuals are, of course, case-by-case. And I’d be more than happy to keep pretty much all the cooks and musicians. I’d also be delighted to see most of the politicians, televangelists, and the better part of FOX Nation go. But hey, that’s just me.

Even so, I have to laugh as the Ronald Reagan fan club gets all doe-eyed over Putin.
 
Not living in America it may be easier to see the cognitive dissonance of a country expressing itself as proud of its Christian heritage, with a large proportion of its population identifying themselves as Christians, and yet stamping out every public expression of its religion under the guise of Constitutional rights.
However, this sad movement in public policy does not mean we should be lauding Putin’s hypocritical display of Christian piety. He was after all, head of the KGB and an arm of repression of the communist state which for generations ruthlessly repressed religious freedom.
Can we support State repression of homosexuals? Why not blacks? Jews? or some other minority? Why not Catholics? Where any religion gains political control of a country it can corrupt. Reformation England; Serbia and the middle east comes readily to mind.
Don’t wish political repression on your enemies. It may be difficult to forgive them if you can’t find them.
 
Could this be the fruits of the consecration of Russia by Bl John Paul 11?
Some interesting points were made indeed
 
Could this be the fruits of the consecration of Russia by Bl John Paul 11?
Some interesting points were made indeed
It’s time for the 4th secret of fatima. The consecration of the US to Our Lady.😉

Russia has a national conception day. America requires nuns to purchase birth control.
Russia is trying to combat the homosexual agenda. THe US is marrying them
The US is ready to declare war on syria. Russia negotiates peace.

Everybody can wave the flag all they want but what the flag stands for has changed. It is bizarro world.

Blessed JPII could be behind this.
 
It’s easier to love Russia from a distance. I suggest that if you actually went to live there you would come back and be thankful for the freedoms and opportunities you have at home.
THe freedom to abandon God? The freedom to not be able to speak or practice our faith?
 
Would they like us to start abducting and torturing suspected homosexuals like they do? What’s sadder than the USA’s “godlessness” is the thought that such behavior is “godly”!
Russia abducts and tortures homosexuals?
 
Can we support State repression of homosexuals? Why not blacks? Jews? or some other minority? Why not Catholics? Where any religion gains political control of a country it can corrupt. Reformation England; Serbia and the middle east comes readily to mind.
Don’t wish political repression on your enemies. It may be difficult to forgive them if you can’t find them.
In Russia it is not a crime to be a practicing homosexual. What’s forbidden are the special interest groups who promote same-sex marriage, or who promote special status being given to homosexuals. That’s my understanding, anyway.
 
Man Looks who is talking now???

washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/28/whos-godless-now-russia-says-its-us/?page=2

MOSCOW — At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a “godless nation.”
More than two decades on, history has come full circle, as the Kremlin and its allies in the Russian Orthodox Church hurl the same allegation at the West.
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“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”
In his state of the nation address in mid-December, Mr. Putin also portrayed Russia as a staunch defender of “traditional values” against what he depicted as the morally bankrupt West. Social and religious conservatism, the former KGB officer insisted, is the only way to prevent the world from slipping into “chaotic darkness.”
As part of this defense of “Christian values,” Russia has adopted a law banning “homosexual propaganda” and another that makes it a criminal offense to “insult” the religious sensibilities of believers.
The law on religious sensibilities was adopted in the wake of a protest in Moscow’s largest cathedral by a female punk rock group against the Orthodox Church’s support of Mr. Putin. Kremlin-run television said the group’s “demonic” protest was funded by “some Americans.”
Mr. Putin’s views of the West were echoed this month by Patriarch Kirill I of Moscow, the leader of the Orthodox Church, who accused Western countries of engaging in the “spiritual disarmament” of their people.
In particular, Patriarch Kirill criticized laws in several European countries that prevent believers from displaying religious symbols, including crosses on necklaces, at work.
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“The general political direction of the [Western political] elite bears, without doubt, an anti-Christian and anti-religious character,” the patriarch said in comments aired on state-controlled television.
“We have been through an epoch of atheism, and we know what it is to live without God,” Patriarch Kirill said. “We want to shout to the whole world, ‘Stop!’”
Other figures within the Orthodox Church have gone further in criticizing the West. Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, a church spokesman, suggested that the modern-day West is no better for a Christian believer than the Soviet Union.
Soviet authorities executed some 200,000 clergy and believers from 1917 to 1937, according to a 1995 presidential committee report. Thousands of churches were destroyed, and those that survived were turned into warehouses, garages or museums of atheism.

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Patriarch Kirill has honored the group’s leader, openly anti-Semitic monarchist Leonid Simonovich, for his services to the Orthodox Church. The Banner Bearers, who dress in black paramilitary uniforms festooned with skulls, regularly confront gay and liberal activists on the streets of Moscow.Although Mr. Putin has never made a secret of what he says is his deep Christian faith, his first decade in power was largely free of overtly religious rhetoric. Little or no attempt was made to impose a set of values on Russians or lecture to the West on morals.
However, since his inauguration for a third presidential term in May 2012, the increasingly authoritarian leader has sought to reach out to Russia’s conservative, xenophobic heartland for support.
It has proved a rich hunting ground.
“Western values, from liberalism to the recognition of the rights of sexual minorities, from Catholicism and Protestantism to comfortable jails for murderers, provoke in us suspicion, astonishment and alienation,” Yevgeny Bazhanov, rector of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s diplomatic academy, wrote in a recent essay.
Analysts suggest that Mr. Putin’s shift to ultraconservatism and anti-West rhetoric was triggered by mass protests against his rule that rocked Russia in 2011 and 2012. The unprecedented show of dissent was led mainly by educated, urban Muscovites — many with undisguised pro-Western sympathies.
“This is the government’s response to modernized Russians becoming more defiant and independent,” said Maria Lipman, an analyst with the Moscow-based Carnegie Center. “The government is pitting the conservative majority against the liberal minority. As a result, raging anti-Western ideology has now turned into something that is almost a state ideology.”
Ms. Lipman, however, suggested that Mr. Putin may be wary of expressing too much support for the Orthodox Church — “a symbol of Russian statehood” — lest it someday challenge his authority.
Some 70 percent of Russians define themselves as Orthodox Christians in opinion polls, and opposition figures in the past have called on the church to play a mediating role between the Kremlin and protesters.
“Because of Putin’s shift to conservatism, the church may feel more emboldened,” Ms. Lipman said. “So Putin does not overemphasize the church in speeches, preferring to concentrate on talk of traditional values. He is wary of boosting its support even higher.”
Good afternoon, a83192,

I agree with the Russians on this one. They should either arrest, deport or arrest and deport the gay members of the USofA Olympic team on Russian soil. Our president has no respect for our Constitution and other laws, maybe Putin can teach Obama that he better respect law somewhere.

God loves you,
Don
 
True. Most of 'em seem to be down in the Bible Belt now though. Wonder when the “love it or leave it” crowd is going to start packing? 😃
I can assure you that people in the Bible Belt don’t want to move to Russia. We don’t even want to move to Rhode Island.

(Sorry Cricket. Love ya like a sister, but I just couldn’t resist.:))
 
It sounds like people here don’t even know Russia’s controversial law regarding homosexuality. It isn’t a crime to be a practicing homosexual in Russia, this law people keep talking about simply bans homosexual propaganda being targeted at minors. I don’t see why Catholics are up in arms about this. Catholic parents don’t you behave similarly when it comes to your kids? Don’t you try to prevent them from taking in the immoral messages regarding sex in our society? The uproar over this law by Catholics seems to be rooted not in morals, but in distinctly modern western sensibilities.

Pope Leo XIII’s encyclical, Pacem In Terris acknowledges our right to free speech, with the caveats of this speech being within the limits of the moral order and common good. (see here at #12: vatican.va/holy_father/john_xxiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_j-xxiii_enc_11041963_pacem_en.html)

We don’t have a moral or civil right to call for the murder of someone else, we don’t have the moral right to blaspheme even though we have a civil right to do so according to the U.S. government. And in the case of Russia, how can we possibly say that someone has a moral right to promote immoral sexual practices to minors? I don’t believe the Russian government is in the wrong by enacting such a prohibition, I think under Pope Leo XIII’s remarks on free speech, that it complies with the Catholic understanding of free speech.
 
Just put “Christianity” and “Russia” into a search on Youtube.
Our Lady of Fatima promised the conversion of Russia and it is happening.
 
I live close to a monastery of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, and, in the past, have attended many liturgies there and developed relationships with a few of the monks (I don’t advocate this now, I feel it was probably a mistake, but this was a different time…). Anyway, I think Russian history is pretty interesting…it seems like the same thing happened there to the Orthodox during their revolution that happened to us Catholics in France during the French Revolution…anyway, what do you guys think about this story? And about Russia in general these days?

washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/28/whos-godless-now-russia-says-its-us/?page=2
 
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