Who are the protesters behind Occupy Wall Street–and what do they want?

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The Wall Street protest is another way to shift the blame away from Obama just like how before that Bush was always blamed. Now that blaming bush has gotten old, the liberal media has created a new bad guy. It’s distraction and political smoke and mirrors. It’s all an act, that’s why there are actors involved.
Good insight. When Bush was in, it was all his fault, regardless of the fact that the Congress was run by Democrats. Now blame it on Wall Street rather than take it to the logical conclusion that if it was Bushes fault now it is Obamas fault.
Smoke and mirrors, with Obama getting on the bus like a school kid rather than taking responsibility as the person in the worlds most powerful and influential position.
 
But if the weapon is immoral, then i would say that it should not be used.
What weapon that is designed to kill anyone standing in a building has not taken out civilians?

The fact that the guy pushing the buttons not sitting on top of it or launching it from a ship makes it immoral?

Have you seen what Apaches can do sitting on top of someone without the slightest idea they are there can do?
 
The Tea Party is too conservative for most Americans. Polls have shown Tea Party favorability among the American people has dropped.
It has been demonized as racist by the Chicago machine, and conservaitve puritans don’t appreciate the fact that one third of the government is not in a position to carry out their will.
But if people really want to join a movement that is not status quo, and is against corporatism, the tea party already exists.
What I think some here are missing is the “Occupy” movement is not limited to the left. It has the potential to grow into the center as well. Even folks in the center are fed up with growing corporate influence in our elections and politics. And while I know it is not a popular concept here, many are also fed up with the vastly growing disparity of income taking place in the US. Where the rich get richer and the middle class and poor get poorer. And I also know it is not a popular concept here either. But many Americans as we wrestle with our budget, also support a tax increase on the very wealthiest of Amercans who have benefited the most from this economy.
Taxing the rich is Obama’s platform. It hardly needs a protest for that.
If Americans want to make being millionaires and billionaires somehow illegal, and tax them out of existence, then it is fair to remind you that that has already been done before.
 
One has to be concerned that the economy is not absorbing college graduates at previous levels. One might almost come to the conclusion that there has been a fundamental change in the order of the economy and that it will never again be what it was.

Protesting may make the protestor feel better but it will not create jobs.
People are getting advanced degrees at unprecedented rates. There would have to be an unprecedented change in the economy to absorb them all. On the contrary though, much of what are protesting for is what ensures that the economy will never absorb them.
The problem is that the economy itself is not changing at nearly the rate it once was.

Peter Thiel has an interesting take on it.
nationalreview.com/articles/278758/end-future-peter-thiel
 
What weapon that is designed to kill anyone standing in a building has not taken out civilians?

The fact that the guy pushing the buttons not sitting on top of it or launching it from a ship makes it immoral?

Have you seen what Apaches can do sitting on top of someone without the slightest idea they are there can do?
What would you say about a police force that uses a remote control weapon to kill 700 innocent people in order to target 14 bad guys? Everything is done by remote control, far away from the target, so there is no possibility that any of the police would be harmed.
 
What do they want? I think maybe they want other people to give them stuff. It’s kind of unclear.
 
People are getting advanced degrees at unprecedented rates. There would have to be an unprecedented change in the economy to absorb them all. On the contrary though, much of what are protesting for is what ensures that the economy will never absorb them.
The problem is that the economy itself is not changing at nearly the rate it once was.

Peter Thiel has an interesting take on it.
nationalreview.com/articles/278758/end-future-peter-thiel
Unfortunately, there has been an unprecedented change in the economy, but not one that is helpful. The change is that the national debt has increased exponentially, such that soon we will have to tax everyone 100% of income just to pay the interest on the debt. If interest rates rise, and they will, that day will arrive even sooner.

We are saved only by the fact that the dollar is the reserve currency of the world. But when the rest of the world loses confidence in the dollar, that could change. If dollars are no longer accepted, we will become like Greece, forced to implement austerity measures rather than borrow. Indeed, austerity measures are necessary in any case, just to deal with the unsustainable debt. All the protests in the world won’t help that.
 
What would you say about a police force that uses a remote control weapon to kill 700 innocent people in order to target 14 bad guys? Everything is done by remote control, far away from the target, so there is no possibility that any of the police would be harmed.
We might be getting a bit too far off topic here. But this is what I think.

I don’t trust government’s numbers on civilian deaths which, from what I’ve read, have been low. And I don’t trust foreign reports which most likely would be high. The sites that I’ve been to that say they have scoured through all the reports and are trying to be the most accurate can’t even give a good solid number.

I’ve read that the number of civilian deaths is anywhere from 5 percent to 20 percent of total deaths. How that compares to other weapons of comparison I don’t know.
 
We might be getting a bit too far off topic here…
I don’t see this as off topic, because the protestors at the drone exhibit in Washington DC are in solidarity with the occupy Wall Street protestors. Many of the OWS protestors are against the wars and US occupation of foreign countries. I would not agree with pepper spraying people who are simply expressing their hope and desire for America to be a better and fairer place.
 
Unfortunately, there has been an unprecedented change in the economy, but not one that is helpful. The change is that the national debt has increased exponentially, such that soon we will have to tax everyone 100% of income just to pay the interest on the debt. If interest rates rise, and they will, that day will arrive even sooner.
Social programs set up from bygone eras using models that presuppose that technology and the economic growth will continue at the same pace, therefore need that growth.

Real estate was set up on those kind of models of fast growth. When a borrower receives money for a house that he cannot afford, as long as the property value keeps rising, it does not matter, for when he must sell, he will not lose as the profit will cover the borrowing costs plus the living costs that accrued before he had to sell. Government legislation did nothing but encourage this kind of practice, as often as not in the name of social justice.
But i was a false economy that assumes progress, when in fact the real economy remains stagnant with high energy prices and very little true progress in technology to justify the assumed growth.
Taxes of course cannot be a solution, because without growth, taxes are eating away the muscle and not the fat. That is essentially what the protesters are insisting upon—that the muscle of Wall Street be consumed so that the rich will be brought down to size. Eating away at any hope of investment capital of course will do nothing to provide the protesters with jobs to justify the dollars spent on the higher education.

Social benefits of the bygone era are unsustainable, but instead or recognizing the need for cutbacks of some kind to benefits that exceed a countries ability to pay for them, the protesters are insisting on more and more, more free education, more programs for the gals and the minorities, more, more, more.
All the while they protest the Wall Street greed, as if Wall Street is of a fundamentally different culture than the materialistic one that the protesters all inhabit too.
We are saved only by the fact that the dollar is the reserve currency of the world. But when the rest of the world loses confidence in the dollar, that could change. If dollars are no longer accepted, we will become like Greece, forced to implement austerity measures rather than borrow. Indeed, austerity measures are necessary in any case, just to deal with the unsustainable debt. All the protests in the world won’t help that.
Yes, exactly. Instead of learning from the example of Greece and Europe, the protesters are insisting on that as being the example to follow.
Investment firms and banking of course must be regulated. American governments have really dropped the ball on that in comparison to Canada, for example.Much of this unprecedented nose dive is a made in America failure.
But the protesters are not protesting the lack of regulation. They are protesting Wall Street itself, the very existence of billionaires and the very existence of the inequality.

In the end I suppose Americans have to choose. If it is the existence of inequality that is objectionable, then the revolution being called for and yearned for by protesters here is essentially a socialist or communist one, for that is what the aim of these system is—a classless society, where all are equal.

But if what is wanted by the protesters is a fairer playing field only, where people can get ahead, sometimes even to extraordinary levels, but within the rules, then that is not a revolution that is wanted. It is an affirmation of the American ideal itself, and it is what the tea party movement has been calling for all along.
But this takes hard work, and intelligent policy, and a recognition that big government and big business are in a symbiotic relationship with each other against the interests of the middle class.
Is Wall Street greedy? Sure it is, and so are the students asking for everyone else to foot their education bill. The question is then not whether Wall Street is too greedy, but whether the current administration has done anything at all in order to ensure a level playing field. That is what Obama was elected to do after all, to change the way that business was done in Washington with all the influence paddlers and all.
And if the answer to that is an emphatic NO!

So to the extent that that Obama’s irresponsibility is not the focus, it is indeed all smoke and mirrors and the protesters are all chumps.
 
Then they really ought to be addressing their protest against him than against Wall Street.
Not really because Wall street demands capitalism and unfairness for everybody except themselves. For themselves they demand socialist government bailouts of a trillion dollars and at the same time they demand the luxury of million dollar bonuses which are given in recognition of their efforts to make money by flipping trades, buying and selling debt and derivatives, all of which help to bring down the American economy.
 
Not really because Wall street demands capitalism and unfairness for everybody except themselves. For themselves they demand socialist government bailouts of a trillion dollars and at the same time they demand the luxury of million dollar bonuses which are given in recognition of their efforts to make money by flipping trades, buying and selling debt and derivatives, all of which help to bring down the American economy.
Which Obama has provided, but somehow they find him innocent? How?
 
Okay…this is hilarious…in a sad, pathetic way. I hope Obama and the Democratic Party enthusiastically embrace this movement, because it will marginalize them and get the country moving in the right direction. These are left-wing nut jobs:

youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
What we saw at the “revolution”:
Many curious citizens and media outlets came to the first Occupy Atlanta event, and were visible shocked and confused by the consistent Marxism employed by the group. People abandoned their individuality and liberty to be absorbed into a hypnotizing collective. The facilitator made it clear that he was not a “leader” and that everyone was completely equal; words often spoken by leftists, but in this case they actually applied their philosophy. Into this surreal and oppressive environment, Rep. John Lewis, a civil rights hero and icon of American leftism, came to speak as has so often done at left-wing rallies and events in Atlanta. He is practically worshiped in Democrat circles, and was visibly stunned to see these Marxists turn him away. It was reminiscent of previous Marxist revolutions in history when those who ignorantly supported the revolutionaries are, over time, purged and rejected for the “good of the collective”, when their usefulness has expired.
 
The demands are so extreme as to be laughable.

They don’t deserve a point-by-point refutation - just a hearty belly laugh!

And, the biochem graduate shouldn’t have bought a VW…
PaulinVA:

The MSM has done a great job of making sure we never see their “Stuff” (boots, shoes, coats, sweaters, sleeping bags, tents, iPods, iPhones, “Droids”, iPads, Macbooks, etc). If we saw them, we’d know most of these “kids” are the “children of privilege”, that they have “things” most of us can only dream of affording. Occupy DC protesters sleep in makeshift camp… (Note expensive sleeping bags)

Another thing the MSM has done is make sure we don’t see who’s organizing these “Demonstrations” - Organizer admits to paying ‘Occupy DC’ protesters. (Video) Astroturfing the “Occupation”.

I had a debt when I left school, and that was after 2 years in the 1970’s. It’s not fun, but it’s a fact of life. These “kids” should be happy their parents have the money to support them, buy their “stuff” and allow them to take time off from school/jobs/job searches to protest what arguably is a fact of life. How much heir parents are sacrificing to send them to these “schools of higher learning”, and how much indebtedness they’re taking on, should provide these students with incentives to use their time in school wisely - To take majors in fields where they can have a reasonable hope of finding fulfilling, well-payed employment that allows them to provide their families with a good standing of living, uses their talents and “intelligences” while allowing them to generally enjoy what they do do for a living.

Maybe the ones who have jobs making $15/hr.+ should be grateful they have jobs in this economy rather than demanding they be given jobs in upper management simply because, “We’re entitled.” It’s too bad their parents, or their teachers, didn’t make sure they understood that management and executive positions are earned, not simply given to people who leave college with the appropriate piece of paper. Even Steve Jobs had to get real world experience and risk his own money on the firm before he was allowed to run Apple, NEXT, PIXAR and then Apple again.

Note on the woman saying her VW had “Electrical Gremlins” - The odds are her parents bought her the VW because of how safe the car is. I own a 2009 VW Rabbit - Comfortable, quick, safe car which is good at avoiding accidents. At some point, she needs to be grateful her parents bought her a car and to find a good mechanic… If that’s not the case, she should have bought the car from a reputable source, looked at the CarFax Report & had the car checked out by her mechanic… The “Reporter” who failed to ask the question failed to do his/her duty…

A lot of these protesters are saying to “Tax the Rich”. They don’t understand the “Rich” already pay more in Federal Income Taxes (40+% of all Federal Income Taxes in 2007) than all of the lower 95% of Taxpayers. At the same time 50% of Americans paid Zero Federal Taxes, which means 50% of our fellow Americans “had no skin in the game”. What’s worse, a large percentage of that 50% received some subsidy (Earned Income Credit, Welfare, Food Stamps, etc.) from the Federal Government. Tax Policy Blog - Tax Burden of Top 1% now exceeds that of bottom 95%. Summary of latest Federal Income Tax Data. Since many of the “Rich” who earn incomes from $225,000 to $5 Million/Year actually are Small Business Owners who claim their businesses on their personal Taxes (It doesn’t pay to go through the 100+ pages of paperwork to do an L.L.C. and then do Separate Tax Returns). Raising their Taxes would require them to choose between letting someone go, or foregoing replacing aged (and possibly dangerous) equipment, so they can pay the additional taxes. I’ve noticed no one from the MSM has asked the protesters that question. Neither have they asked them if they have any idea how many Millions of people were slaughtered by Socialist and Communist regimes during the 20th Century, or if they have any idea what kind of opportunities would have been available to Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak in the USSR or the PR China before the 1990’s… Our MSM has never asked these protesters what brand of sleeping bag or tent they’re using (trust me they’re name brand expensive), or what brand of shoes or boots they’re wearing (same), or how they got down to the “Demonstrations” (most have new or nearly new cars - almost none are driving “beaters”)… In fact, the MSM has made sure we don’t have that information so we think these are “Poor unemployed students”. When I’ve been unemployed, participating in demonstrations was the last thing I had time for…

Maybe, I’m a bit old fashioned, but I just can’t see why someone would be angry about “having to marry” the man she supposedly loves, who already lives with her, who’s already over the age of 26… Marriage used to be something we celebrated - It was, and still is, part of growing up. Marriage used to be part of how men grew up and were made into men - making and keeping the commitment is one of the most powerful things a man (and a woman) can do. I just can’t see why someone would be upset that social conditions would encourage marriage instead of the perpetual infantilization “shacking up” causes in males.

I’ve made enough trouble.
Michael
 
The Tea Party is too conservative for most Americans. Polls have shown Tea Party favorability among the American people has dropped.

What I think some here are missing is the “Occupy” movement is not limited to the left. It has the potential to grow into the center as well. Even folks in the center are fed up with growing corporate influence in our elections and politics. And while I know it is not a popular concept here, many are also fed up with the vastly growing disparity of income taking place in the US. Where the rich get richer and the middle class and poor get poorer. And I also know it is not a popular concept here either. But many Americans as we wrestle with our budget, also support a tax increase on the very wealthiest of Amercans who have benefited the most from this economy.
The Tea Party popularity has dropped because of the incessant “teabagger” references and misinformation distributed, care of MSDNC, DNN, and the others in the lame-stream media. If the Tea Party is own by the Republicans and big money conservatives, then it is partently obvious that Occupy Wall Street is owned by Unions and the Democrats. In fact, it came out that SEIU was going out and paying hispanics to carry signs in the protest who didn’t even understand what the protest was about or read the signs they were carrying. Talk about astroturf. And Nanny Pelosi has the nerve to say “God bless the protesters” for this group, that poops on police cars, attacks police, and vandalizes property, while condemning the Tea Party that had nary a single police incident and cleaned up their mess wherever they went.

OWS is a front for the extreme left wing of the Democrat party and has already been bought and paid for. It took over a year for that accusation to come out about the Tea Party. It took, what, about a week before that became obvious with this crowd?
 
The Wall Street protest is another way to shift the blame away from Obama just like how before that Bush was always blamed. Now that blaming bush has gotten old, the liberal media has created a new bad guy. It’s distraction and political smoke and mirrors. It’s all an act, that’s why there are actors involved.
Unfortunately for Obama, its isn’t very hard for the average American to draw the lines between OWS and all of the organizations that lead right back to the White House. I think that the longer these protests go on, the more jeopardy Obama is putting his re-election in. So I hope and pray that these protesters have the patience and determination of Tibetan monks! 🤷
 
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