Who are the protesters behind Occupy Wall Street–and what do they want?

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Third party?
Absolutely, aqnything would be better than our current or past leadership of the last three decades.

If ron paul could get on board cancelling these toxic “free trade” agreements along with our membership in the WTO, he’d be a shoe in by garnering both rep, dem and independent voters, in my opinion.

jomoco
 
Absolutely, aqnything would be better than our current or past leadership of the last three decades.

If ron paul could get on board cancelling these toxic “free trade” agreements along with our membership in the WTO, he’d be a shoe in by garnering both rep, dem and independent voters, in my opinion.

jomoco
Never. Your man Paul stated out loud and in a public debate that he sees nothing wrong with allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons. He’s never going to make it anywhere near the White House, thank God.
 
Never. Your man Paul stated out loud and in a public debate that he sees nothing wrong with allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons. He’s never going to make it anywhere near the White House, thank God.
That, and Paul is too smart. He’s a Republican and knows a third party run would help elect Obama. Only the most dense and mathematically challenged would fall for that.
 
Ron Paul is a pretend Republican. He is a Libertarian, he’s always been a Libertarian and he always will be a Libertarian.
 
Ron Paul is a pretend Republican. He is a Libertarian, he’s always been a Libertarian and he always will be a Libertarian.
If you wish to place a wager on whether or not he will run third party, I’m up for it. He was a Libertarian, but he has been a libertarian (small ‘L’) Rebublican for years. I welcome his participation in the Republican Party.
 
Who was prez in 08 when TARP was enacted?
That’s why I pointed that that’s the one I was talking about.
Atleast admit that both our political parties rep and dem have responsibility for this mess.
Sure.
…The OWS movement knows that fact and will rub obama, bush and clinton’s nose in their perfidy in office.
The OWS protesters are angry. But they are disoriented: they are incoherent and have no goal. All they are doing Is throwing a temper tantrum, feeling the power of their anger and thinking they are accomplishing something. That’s the better of them. They are a malliable mob waiting for any leader to catch them.

I have seen this before, as have those of us who are my age and older. We saw the undisciplined mobs “sitting in” in universities and other places. We saw riots incited by demagogues.

This is not a good path to follow. The OWS mobs do no have anything good to offer.

jomoco
 
OWS is against bank bailouts, but in favor of college loan bailouts. Tea Party is against bail outs which are related to irresponsibility without prejudice, unlike OWS.
 
If you wish to place a wager on whether or not he will run third party, I’m up for it. He was a Libertarian, but he has been a libertarian (small ‘L’) Rebublican for years. I welcome his participation in the Republican Party.
Just your saying so does not make it so. His supporters know that he’s still a Big L Libertarian or they wouldn’t vote for him (legalized drugs, de-funding Israel). I do not gamble, thank you kindly.
 
Just your saying so does not make it so. His supporters know that he’s still a Big L Libertarian or they wouldn’t vote for him (legalized drugs, de-funding Israel). I do not gamble, thank you kindly.
Obviously, you aren’t comprehending the distinction. A “Big L” Libertarian is a member of the Libertarian Party and runs for office as a Libertarian. A libertarian Republican holds libertarian ideals but is a Republican. There are classical conservatives, moderates, “neo”-conservatives (though that term gets misused a lot) and libertarian Republicans.

Based on what I’ve heard from Ron Paul, he is libertarian at the federal level, but more of a classical conservative at the state level. There’s nothing wrong with that. Even though I don’t agree with him on everything, there are many, many issues on the federal level that I like. He is a original intent Constitutionalist. Most Republicans lean that way.
 
Obviously, you aren’t comprehending the distinction. A “Big L” Libertarian is a member of the Libertarian Party and runs for office as a Libertarian. A libertarian Republican holds libertarian ideals but is a Republican. There are classical conservatives, moderates, “neo”-conservatives (though that term gets misused a lot) and libertarian Republicans.

Based on what I’ve heard from Ron Paul, he is libertarian at the federal level, but more of a classical conservative at the state level. There’s nothing wrong with that. Even though I don’t agree with him on everything, there are many, many issues on the federal level that I like. He is a original intent Constitutionalist. Most Republicans lean that way.
I am comprehending perfectly well thank you. I know what you believe and you know what I believe and shall we leave it there? Dr. Paul has not changed his beliefs over the years although he has done some shape-shifting in order to pretend better so he can run as a Republican. His followers have not changed either, although he does pick up some of the younger generation when they find out he’s the drug-legalizing guy. This is OT for the thread so I will stop there.
 
I am comprehending perfectly well thank you. I know what you believe and you know what I believe and shall we leave it there? Dr. Paul has not changed his beliefs over the years although he has done some shape-shifting in order to pretend better so he can run as a Republican. His followers have not changed either, although he does pick up some of the younger generation when they find out he’s the drug-legalizing guy. This is OT for the thread so I will stop there.
Well, though the fact that it was OT wasn’t important enough for you to stop prior to that post, I will let you have the last word. I can recognize when someone has given up. 👍
 

The OWS protesters are angry. But they are disoriented: they are incoherent and have no goal. All they are doing Is throwing a temper tantrum, feeling the power of their anger and thinking they are accomplishing something. That’s the better of them. They are a malliable mob waiting for any leader to catch them.

I have seen this before, as have those of us who are my age and older. We saw the undisciplined mobs “sitting in” in universities and other places. We saw riots incited by demagogues.
This is not a good path to follow. The OWS mobs do no have anything good to offer.
The London riots are not so far out of memory to think that this could not get very unruly. There have already been plenty of arrests.
Democrats and Nazis and Communists all coming together with the usual assortment of anarchists is a very strange mix indeed.
 
I am comprehending perfectly well thank you. I know what you believe and you know what I believe and shall we leave it there? Dr. Paul has not changed his beliefs over the years although he has done some shape-shifting in order to pretend better so he can run as a Republican. His followers have not changed either, although he does pick up some of the younger generation when they find out he’s the drug-legalizing guy. This is OT for the thread so I will stop there.
Ya, because the federal criminalization of drugs and the federal “War on Drugs” has been such a resounding success.

)Oh wait, it has given us the most violent and well armed cartels in history, who are encroaching our southern border and are infiltrating the Mexican government. 🤷
 
Oh wait, it has given us the most violent and well armed cartels in history, who are encroaching our southern border and are infiltrating the Mexican government. 🤷
The Obama administration is on it! Oh wait, they sold them the guns.
 
The protesters of the American Autumn should be demanding the resignation of Barack Obama because of his support for bailouts for Wall Street and his continuation of militarism abroad. Instead they’re demanding more big government, amnesty for illegal aliens, and openly supporting Obama’s relection. If these folks are friends of the American working class, we sure don’t need any enemies.
 
Sure has been nice talkin bout how both our political parties have colluded together to destroy our American sovereignty as a people with distinct and well defined rights that are to be our elected leaders sworn duty to protect.

Today’s leaders seem to be under the impression that by locking our original constitutional document into a secure vault, they have somehow fulfilled their constitutionally sworn to duties. That the most vulnerable American citizens get their
jobs and rights sold out from under them to China, S.Korea, Columbia and Panama by their own elected representatives legally is just one of the many reasons that I am a proponent of the OWS movement, and stand in complete solidarity with their goals and aspirations to firmly exercise our constitutional rights in a peaceful but effective show of sheer numbers.

Thanks to the moderators for letting opposing views be heard/read.

jomoco
 
Do thay still close the threads at 1000 posts? If so, au revoir to all! And we got to the end without being closed down, shew!

And another link for jocomo about the Laffer Curve… just ignore the nonsense at the beginning!
It doesn’t usually happen right at 1,000 posts, unless the thread has been too difficult. I only saw a couple of moderator interventions so I think people have kept this discussion relatively civilized.

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The protesters of the American Autumn should be demanding the resignation of Barack Obama because of his support for bailouts for Wall Street and his continuation of militarism abroad. Instead they’re demanding more big government, amnesty for illegal aliens, and openly supporting Obama’s relection. If these folks are friends of the American working class, we sure don’t need any enemies.
It became apparent by the time early on when Guatanamo remained open that most liberals and leftists were never opponents on the wars, or the way that the wars were being waged, but were partisan Democrats opposed to Republicans only.
Any protests against the policies of Bush and the neocons ended when Democrats came to office. A whine here or a whine there, if pressed, but that is all that the left has ever been able to mount as an attack on what has amounted to basically the continuation of many of the Republican policies, both the good and the bad ones.

It is the main reason that there is no coherent message. A coherent message is impossible without attacking Obama and the Democrats.
More government spending, more government jobs for the unionists, more of the same leftist agenda, more corporatism with big government and big unions and big business scratching each others backs—this is all that these protests will ever achieve without opposing Democrats like they opposed Republicans.

By having no coherent message, the protest was usurped by Democrats before it even bega.
 
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