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Sorry it took so long to respond:
FIRST POINT: The Catholic Church teaches that God is the author of scripture. But it’s possible to think of it in the following:
-The Primary Author which is the Holy Spirit (HS)
-The Secondary authors which are the human beings which were the material authors.
The HS “moved” the secondary authors while mysteriously using their own faculties. Here the quote from CCC 106: God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. “To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more.”
What this means is that whatever is in the bible is not spurious or irrelevant. Every event has its reason. And so if Peter is mentioned, it’s not because the HS needed any human to make an example, he needed Peter for that example. Nothing in the bible is by accident and so we can’t write anyone thing/event as filler or something that just happened to happen. You know what I mean
SECOND POINT: I listed all this Peter Trivia and you keep saying (basically) “So what.” The thing you must keep in mind is that I could (as a fellow american) look those same texts and say “So what.” But doing that would do violence to the text. I must look at those texts as a jew or at a minimum think of them from a jewish point of view.
To an american, getting a set of keys doesn’t mean much. The closest thing we have to that is getting a “key to the city”. (They probably got this concept from the bible). But even then, as an american, if I received a “key to the city” from the mayor, I’d probably get a picture in the local newspaper, feel good for about a day, hang it on my I-love-me wall, and forget about it. Life goes on.
But if a jew gets a set of keys, that’s a whole different story. That’s because it’s framed in jewish culture. That’s HUGE to a jew. To a jew, you are the man! You make all the decisions when the giver-of-keys is out of town (which is why I quoted what Jesus was quoting: Isa 22) You are the steward. You are the prime minister (if a cabinet was involved). You call the shots when the King is incommunicado.
Now if you don’t believe this, you can ask any biblical scholar or look in any biblcial commentary. All this Peter trivia is not just another event or even a mildly significant events. Being listed first matters to a jew. I know you’re going to not like what I’m going to say here but, “It just does!” We are talking about jewish values here. If they value it, they value it.
Rod, what I’m saying here is that you need to switch modes and think like a jew. Saying “so what” to what a jew thinks is important is emptying the scriptures of their context and meaning.
Martin
FIRST POINT: The Catholic Church teaches that God is the author of scripture. But it’s possible to think of it in the following:
-The Primary Author which is the Holy Spirit (HS)
-The Secondary authors which are the human beings which were the material authors.
The HS “moved” the secondary authors while mysteriously using their own faculties. Here the quote from CCC 106: God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. “To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more.”
What this means is that whatever is in the bible is not spurious or irrelevant. Every event has its reason. And so if Peter is mentioned, it’s not because the HS needed any human to make an example, he needed Peter for that example. Nothing in the bible is by accident and so we can’t write anyone thing/event as filler or something that just happened to happen. You know what I mean
SECOND POINT: I listed all this Peter Trivia and you keep saying (basically) “So what.” The thing you must keep in mind is that I could (as a fellow american) look those same texts and say “So what.” But doing that would do violence to the text. I must look at those texts as a jew or at a minimum think of them from a jewish point of view.
To an american, getting a set of keys doesn’t mean much. The closest thing we have to that is getting a “key to the city”. (They probably got this concept from the bible). But even then, as an american, if I received a “key to the city” from the mayor, I’d probably get a picture in the local newspaper, feel good for about a day, hang it on my I-love-me wall, and forget about it. Life goes on.
But if a jew gets a set of keys, that’s a whole different story. That’s because it’s framed in jewish culture. That’s HUGE to a jew. To a jew, you are the man! You make all the decisions when the giver-of-keys is out of town (which is why I quoted what Jesus was quoting: Isa 22) You are the steward. You are the prime minister (if a cabinet was involved). You call the shots when the King is incommunicado.
Now if you don’t believe this, you can ask any biblical scholar or look in any biblcial commentary. All this Peter trivia is not just another event or even a mildly significant events. Being listed first matters to a jew. I know you’re going to not like what I’m going to say here but, “It just does!” We are talking about jewish values here. If they value it, they value it.
Rod, what I’m saying here is that you need to switch modes and think like a jew. Saying “so what” to what a jew thinks is important is emptying the scriptures of their context and meaning.
Martin
If you want to find the Truth, look for consistency in teaching the doctrine since the times of the apostles. This clearly points to a single source for all Christian teaching: The Catholic Church. :bible1:
