who is the anti-christ?

[Flame_of_Christ]

I understand this but from my posts what would change in me, how would i love different?

How many more times per week would i need to receive him this way for the change to be apparent to you?

I understand you cant explain what it does for you as i cant explain what He does in me.

To offer what you do there must be specific simple quotes from my posts that have guided you to this or does a spirit inspire you i need this.

Does the spirit inspire you look he has no gifts, surely if you discerned any glimmer of any gifts of The Holy Spirit you would tell the one inspiring you to be gone.

You have not asked me to explain further from posts here but have implied there is something missing or defective.

With a humble heart are you seeking His light from me or trying to find some thing bad to justify the light being shone on you.

I dont meant this nasty but lovingly given you have not offered reason to your “encouragement”

Bless ya Bro, pray well and stay well

Are you a Catholic? Do you belong to the Church that the Son of God came to earth to found? The Church where Jesus Christ is available to all mankind? If you are already but do not realize that Jesus Christ is the Truth, TheWay and The Life, then I would like you to find Him.

Do you know why I am procaliming Jesus Christ and the Holy Catholic Church? If you are Catholic sir, why aren’t you also proclaiming it?

 

[Steven_John]

Are you a Catholic?

I have told you in PM i don’t label myself you have read what is offered through me, you have perception of what a Catholic would act like, best you pray about it. If it helps you our last PP said of me I am, I am guided to see who I will be for love is a verb. In this PM i also tried to reach out to you in answering for my life so you could have peace, in PM so not to disturb the learning i seek from other here. You should not have needed it but you seemed stuck on it so by grace it was given you. Maybe because i dont speak well you did not get the peace, maybe because you have something to let go of. Either way we both must do what is going to be done.

Do you belong to the Church that the Son of God came to earth to found? if it is the The Church where Jesus Christ is available to all mankind?

Dont all men belong to The One True Church but some live outside of Her? Just because your servant steals and holds of yours, it does not cease to belong to you, he can even put a label on it but it will not change who it belongs to. If My servant steals my parrot and trains it to proclaim it belongs to him it will still be me whos bird it belongs to. No matter what that bird proclaims i will never stop loving it. Even if the bird will not come back it does belong to me and by my love it is parted from me.

If you are already but do not realize that Jesus Christ is the Truth, TheWay and The Life, then I would like you to find Him.

If you know him why would you need to ask? surley if you know him you can see what of me is the same and what is different, if there is difference quote my posts so as to sharpen me, i am a sinner in need of help not obstacles so by His will i will be if you truly want me to be who i will be.

Do you know why I am procaliming Jesus Christ and the Holy Catholic Church?

I could only guess,
a man taught you you should do this,
you are insecure in your actions
or you take the word literally form a talk point of view.
I really dont know but you might,
My Father does
and from my asking Him it because you want to love Him.
But dont trust my prayer it has gotten in the way of our chatting before.

If you are Catholic sir, why aren’t you also proclaiming it?

I have not done so well with loving you, sorry not my intention, i say this because i sense u upset by calling me sir.

I see proclaiming as way not words, you posts seem to say they way you see in me is ok but you need words from me i am not saying.

The men who did not help the man on the road i assume would have been great with words, the Good Sam would have been poor in words but great in they way.

If we are to get hung up on words when you say

…Jesus Christ is the Truth, TheWay and The Life…

You say “Yeshua messiah is messiah”. for me it is like you say Christ is his surname. to proclaim as Christian would one simply not say Jesus is Christ? Personally i like you say The Way, but unlike least the words to be spoken.

We do not teach each other in what words to speak but in the way we are called to live.

The Holy Spirit give gifts not pride filled men.
As the above pointless example should show.

Bless you
I will be who I will be, you have free will so choose who you see

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

I have told you in PM i don’t label myself you have read what is offered through me, you have perception of what a Catholic would act like, best you pray about it. If it helps you our last PP said of me I am, I am guided to see who I will be for love is a verb. In this PM i also tried to reach out to you in answering for my life so you could have peace, in PM so not to disturb the learning i seek from other here. You should not have needed it but you seemed stuck on it so by grace it was given you. Maybe because i dont speak well you did not get the peace, maybe because you have something to let go of. Either way we both must do what is going to be done.

Dont all men belong to The One True Church but some live outside of Her? Just because your servant steals and holds of yours, it does not cease to belong to you, he can even put a label on it but it will not change who it belongs to. If My servant steals my parrot and trains it to proclaim it belongs to him it will still be me whos bird it belongs to. No matter what that bird proclaims i will never stop loving it. Even if the bird will not come back it does belong to me and by my love it is parted from me.

If you know him why would you need to ask? surley if you know him you can see what of me is the same and what is different, if there is difference quote my posts so as to sharpen me, i am a sinner in need of help not obstacles so by His will i will be if you truly want me to be who i will be.

I could only guess,
a man taught you you should do this,
you are insecure in your actions
or you take the word literally form a talk point of view.
I really dont know but you might,
My Father does
and from my asking Him it because you want to love Him.
But dont trust my prayer it has gotten in the way of our chatting before.
I have not done so well with loving you, sorry not my intention, i say this because i sense u upset by calling me sir.

I see proclaiming as way not words, you posts seem to say they way you see in me is ok but you need words from me i am not saying.

The men who did not help the man on the road i assume would have been great with words, the Good Sam would have been poor in words but great in they way.

If we are to get hung up on words when you say

You say “Yeshua messiah is messiah”. for me it is like you say Christ is his surname. to proclaim as Christian would one simply not say Jesus is Christ? Personally i like you say The Way, but unlike least the words to be spoken.

We do not teach each other in what words to speak but in the way we are called to live.

The Holy Spirit give gifts not pride filled men.
As the above pointless example should show.

Bless you
I will be who I will be, you have free will so choose who you see

Why aren’t you a prosfessed catholic though? Do you not know that Jesus Christ founded one Church? If you are a catholic as you claim in your PM message, then why are you not proclaiming that here?

It seems that you are ctrying to assert that you are more enlightened than those of us who are professed catholics. The truth is, Jesus Christ is the only salvation for anyone! If a person is muslim, or buddhist, there is still only one savior for them and that is Jesus Christ.

With that said, we have a way to have access to that very Savior: that is the Holy Sacraments of the Catholic Church. This is the faith of those who belong to Jesus One Church. Do you not believe this? Haven’t you ever heard that Jesus saves? Well it is the truth!!!

praise the Lord Jesus Christ!

the way I see it, either you have receive the only Savior and then you would naturally proclaim Him to others,

or

you have not received Him as your only Savior, and you are still looking for the answer.

I am here to say that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior! He died for your sins and no one else did. Without Jesus, we are all doomed. So, if you haven’t truly accepted Him, and this in His Church, then I entreat you to call upon His Holy Name!

 

[staffsgt7]

I found these videos:

You have to watch the first two, the third one is basically a reiteration of the 2nd one and the letters that Walid is talking about.

Watch this video first: Mark of the Beast by Walid Shoebat
youtube.com/watch?v=GtquNNEO7Fw

Then watch this video second that has the writings that Walid mentions in his video.

Chuck Missler on the Mark of the Beast 666
youtube.com/watch?v=ka5v0REv8Us&feature=response_watch

Another one showing the Greek letters that spell out ‘In the name of allah, islam’
666 Revealed: youtube.com/watch?v=-qDnb4faoCs&feature=related

 

[Bill_Pick]

According to the bible, muslims are the antichrist, or at the very least they do his bidding, since they claim the Jesus is not the Son of God who has come in the flesh.

The bible has warned us ahead of time that this is true.

“For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” 2 John 1:7

and also:

“and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.” 1 John 4:3

do muslims realize that the bible has warned us ahead of time that they would be coming with their teaching of satan?

we were warned.

What about Benny Hinn will that work or Leroy Jenkins,thats all I have.Sorry

 

[TEPO]

Dont all men belong to The One True Church but some live outside of Her? Just because your servant steals and holds of yours, it does not cease to belong to you, he can even put a label on it but it will not change who it belongs to. If My servant steals my parrot and trains it to proclaim it belongs to him it will still be me whos bird it belongs to. No matter what that bird proclaims i will never stop loving it. Even if the bird will not come back it does belong to me and by my love it is parted from me.

All of God’s creation belongs to God. But God has given us free-will to either choose Him or Satan. Do you understand free-will?

So therefore since God has freed us all, we have all been given the option to choose the Father or the Devil.

John 8:42-44
"Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and am here; I did not come on my own, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot bear to hear my word. You belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.”

The men who did not help the man on the road i assume would have been great with words, the Good Sam would have been poor in words but great in they way.

How do you know the Good Sam would have been poor in words? And why is this important considering you use many words?

I will be who I will be, you have free will so choose who you see

Yes, God has given us the free will to either worship the ancient temples in mechanical style chants, or to recognize the word made flesh.

John 8

"Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

“Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not listen, because you do not belong to God.”

 

[TEPO]

What is it you see this will do for me that is not being done?

If you were to bow to Jesus as Word made Flesh, then you could stop counting good deeds, and start living from the heart.

Ritual prayers are too mechanical. You should instead eat Jesus. God sacrificed His only Son for us all to consume… Both body and blood!

When we eat the Word, we can see things more like He wants us to. He lives in us.

 

[TEPO]

When we eat Jesus, we are made Holy.

That is how we become the Holy Catholic(universal) Church.

 

[Steven_John]

Why aren’t you a prosfessed catholic though? Do you not know that Jesus Christ founded one Church? If you are a catholic as you claim in your PM message, then why are you not proclaiming that here?

You need to re read it never said i was Catholic but told you of some things i do in my life and my involvement in and with our Catholic community. As stated here i dont like getting hung up on profession of religions. I really dont have the ability to discern “which is The One True Church” from the various religions and denominations. I have seen people beem with light and some that look lost in losts of different communities. That is also an image of me some times i seem on track and other times i need to really reflect to get some junk out of my life.

It seems that you are ctrying to assert that you are more enlightened than those of us who are professed catholics.

Then i am communicating very poorly, G-d willing, me submitting i will stand for any good of G-d i see in any person regardless of their professed religion. If people want to be identified by a religion that’s cool 4 u go 4 it.

The truth is, Jesus Christ is the only salvation for anyone! If a person is muslim, or buddhist, there is still only one savior for them and that is Jesus Christ.

Well Christians and Muslims will agree with this statement but Buddhists from my experience would disagree. I have pondered much and even challenged a Nun who is pastoral associate for declaring to the parish in her Gospel reflection that every one is in. Seriously my conscience had a fit. I want to shout out dont listen to this the book says G-d first brother second, they deny Him so we should deny them. I did not, in prayers of the faithful i prayed out in the community that Our Father close our hearts to untruth in our ears or some thing like. It is unlikely any one knew what i was pointing to but He did. I waited till every one had left and gently challenged the sister on her words and the two commandments offered by Yeshua (pbwh) she held firm but had nothing to back up her claim other than she had read from a book written by a Catholic.
Since a priest has told me that nearly every one goes to heaven that there are very rare times when one would not. He spoke of without citation Vatican II, this puzzled me i have since re read more documents written in the light of Vatican II and can see how on could draw such conclusions. I am not sure that i agree, not sure that i disagree this is the documents intent, who am i to question Her (the Catholic Church) but if i do not agree totally submit tingly i personally cant call myself a Catholic despite you seemingly having a need for me to. Being as straight as i can with my proclamations and conscience is important to me for fullness of peace. I respect i have met CAF posters that call them selves Catholic and speak against Her, in truth i encourage people to be true to their profession but they have free will. I do see these people as “say something mean different” at times people, it is not a judgement but it helps me realise what i read of their posts may not be as they see it and seek clarification. I also need to be mindful that getting words into text is difficult for us all. Hearts and words are difficult to align.

With that said, we have a way to have access to that very Savior: that is the Holy Sacraments of the Catholic Church. This is the faith of those who belong to Jesus One Church. Do you not believe this?

No even she will tell you that people make baptisms of desire, showing Her wisdom the Holy Spirit is above Her, so i guess you may like to clarify what you offer to me.

Haven’t you ever heard that Jesus saves? Well it is the truth!!!

Oh come on, have you not read my posts i agree with what you have written 100% but in your heart do you have more than what you typed, like your missing the word only?

praise the Lord Jesus Christ!

I would say praise be to The Father, but for Catholics that is the same.

the way I see it, either you have receive the only Savior and then you would naturally proclaim Him to others,

or

you have not received Him as your only Savior, and you are still looking for the answer.

Very good i respect what you would say.

I am here to say that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior! He died for your sins and no one else did. Without Jesus, we are all doomed. So, if you haven’t truly accepted Him, and this in His Church, then I entreat you to call upon His Holy Name!

Why from my posts would you think i have not.

I entreat you pray to The Father as Yeshua (pbwh) taught, but lets not go to deep into words the Great Apostle Paul (pbuh) siad not to argue over words and Trinity understanding would have us see the same meaning from both our entreating.

B blessed B guided

I will be who I will be, you have free will so choose who you see

 

[Steven_John]

Peace and blessings Bro Tepo,
I am reluctant to chat with you on this as Br. Flame is helping me but given you have asked i will try answer.

All of God’s creation belongs to God. But God has given us free-will to either choose Him or Satan.

Thanks be to G-d you seem to understand exactly what i was saying.

How do you know the Good Sam would have been poor in words?

Because Yeshua (pbwh) teaches the Samaritain prayed to G-d but did not know who He was, he is not portrayed in the scripture as a speaker but as a does of good.

And why is this important considering you use many words?

This is why it is not always good to jump in on the questions of other posters. Br Falme and i have been chatting on the importance of proclamations of faith and fruits.

Yes, God has given us the free will to either worship the ancient temples in mechanical style chants, or to recognize the word made flesh.

Amen what the post had to do with temples I have no idea but you are very right in what you post.

Bless you Bro, pray well and stay well

 

[Steven_John]

Here we go again, why you have this to me i do not know.

If you were to bow to Jesus as Word made Flesh, then you could stop counting good deeds, and start living from the heart.

Yes Tepo before i receive the host i genuflect others bow but for me i am to bend the knee for Yeshusa (pbwh). How did you even know this and why is the PP not concerned.
Please give an example of how i am counting deeds, my intention was only to encourage the doing of them. Your post implies my sinful counting please quote my counting so i can correct my evil ways.

Ritual prayers are too mechanical.

so you say and you are right prayer is of the heart. I did not even realise i had spoken of mechanical prayers, i call them rote prayers. For me these have been valuable for focus. Please you say you are Catholic please tell the pope the rosary is bad then i will stop praying with our community.

You should instead eat Jesus.

Yes Tepo i participate in mass around 3 to 6 times per week and partake in communion.

When we eat the Word, we can see things more like He wants us to. He lives in us.

yes Tepo for you i am the evil one you need to fix, even though you cant speak on what i say only what i dont.

Do you really understand the analogy of the parrot or is there some thing in your eye.

May G-d guide you

 

[Steven_John]

If a “Christian” quotes scripture at me IE
John 8:42-44
"Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and am here; I did not come on my own, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot bear to hear my word. You belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.”

Noting the underlined i would be right to assume they are pointing the part they underlined at me, wouldn’t I or would you make the assumption if it was posted at you.

Other wise there would be no value in underlining. IMO it would be a cop out to back away from saying yes it was directed at you but in truth G-d knows.

Assuming it was directed at me what would happen if the poster had no foundation ie real quote, and was making assumptions from what was not written in a post, and they were wrong what will become of them?

if they went further and posted

“Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not listen, because you do not belong to God.”

they would really need to have a solid foundation for this surely, if they did have foundation they would be called to use it if they really wanted to help the person they directed it at wouldn’t they?

I have at times gone to shove scripture at people only to realise G-d wanted me to see it my life.

So many posts at me in this thread are directed at what i dont say and have not quoted what i do say.

From not quoting me i am left to assume it is ok with your profession of faiths and you are in need of being on a clearly label team to have self value or personal reassurance.

Yes as a friend here has told me and you would rightly do so, i am doing the same thing.

Is that not what you do treat me as you would like to be treated.

If i am here to serve should i not serve you as you want to be served.

As to any one who has issues about what i dont say, have we not learned form My Brother (pbwh) conversation with Pilot and others in those darkening days.

You have managed to draw from me many words now as the Sadducee and Pharisees did to My Brother, my intent in giving them to you was to show my heart, so as to give real answers to your questions, i am in flesh are there not enough mistakes in my typing now that you could actually pull me up on what i have said rather than what i did not say. I am sure a sinner such as me must have made some error, i have poor education.

I ask My Father when will we be ready?

I will be what I will be, you have free will so choose what you see

 

[Steven_John]

Tepo if you see me so evil actually love me or leave me to burn, I am not sure I have not been sent for you or i would have initiated chat with you.

Bless you, grow as you shall.

 

[DanLyn]

What an interesting thread. I have a personal interest in this and have curiously been studying prophecy for some time (I don’t claim to be an expert though!). I believe that in order to draw a guess as to the beasts of Revelations and Daniel, that you need to study the books of Revelations, Daniel, Ezekiel and several passages throughout the NT. Also, if you draw close to identiying any particular faith organization or individual as being a target of prophecy, then you “really” need to study and understand that particular organization or individual as well.

Ever heard of Al-Mahdi? I suggest you look into his definition. Throughout the Bible, our Lord gives clues for Christians to observe for our wisdom in the End Times. It’s my belief that Islam fits the bill of the Beast of Revelations and the Al-Mahdi could possibly be the Anti-Christ. Check out this website. The articles posted for the study are certainly “eye opening”. However, only God knows how the events of the future will unfold. We can only be prepared by studying his Word.

whenthepiecesfit.org/

 

[schaick]

If i made a score card against the scripture comparing Muslims to Pagans Muslims would come out on top.

Muslims say they see Yeshua (pbwh) as the messiah.
Pagans dont.
Muslims attribute is birth to G-d.
Pagans dont.
Muslims believe there is one G-d the god of Abraham (pbuh).
Pagans dont, some even invest time and effort promoting against Him.
We could look at abortion issues, pagans vs Muslims etc

I dont know of your and your parishes relationship with your Muslim community i can only guess as Catholics it is very active and you personally serve Muslim people. I offer this especially as you offer you can recognise the gifts given you and that they are not for self edification but for His and ours, ours including Muslims.

The president of the Islamic society here loves Yeshua (pbwh) and is quick to pray with and help Christians, I dont see this as anti - Christ but pro Christ.

I respect you and your parish must be having a very different experience. I would be keener to hear of it than trying to state it with scripture that by its wording does not refute the wording of Islamic teaching. Yes the meaning of the words to you is different.

Yes, to Muslims Messiah simply means annointed and not a deliver of the people.

The main issue with Islam is the denial of the crucifixion which the Quran does not infact deny. It is right there but Muslims for some reason don’t see it.

The other confusion is the thought that Christians worship 3 gods- which of course we don’t. Unity of GOD to a Muslim is one GOD period. Unity of GOD to Christians is the triunity of the GODHEAD.

Muslims can’t grasp the concept. They keep saying 1 + 1 + 1 does not = 1. The adding up of 3 different substances. They don’t realize that it is actually 1 x 1 x 1 = 1. One substance appearing to man in 3 different instances, persons.

Someone asked about Gabriel. I have nenver in my 7 years of studying and discussing Islam with Muslims discovered when Gabriel introduced himself to Mohammad.

We know it was not at the first revelation- he ran home in fear and distress to his wife. His wife then took him to her cousin, was it the cousin that told him it was Gabriel?

I would really like to know!!

 

[schaick]

DanLyn- answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch18_a_summary_of_comparisons.htm

Bible: The Antichrist is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will that emerge in the last-days.
Islam: The Mahdi is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will emerge in the last-days.

Bible: the False Prophet is a secondary prominent figure that will emerge in the last-days who will support the Antichrist.
Islam: the Muslim Jesus is a secondary prominent figure that will emerge in the last-days to support the Mahdi.

Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet together will have a powerful army that will do great damage to the earth in an effort to subdue every nation and dominate the World.
Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will have a powerful army that will attempt to control every nation of the earth and dominate the World.

Bible: The False Prophet is described essentially as a dragon in lamb’s clothing.
Islam: The Muslim Jesus literally comes bearing the name of the one that the world knows as “The Lamb of God: Jesus Christ.” Yet the Muslim Jesus comes to murder all those who do not submit to Islam.

Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet establish a New World Order.
Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus establish a New World Order.

Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet institute new laws for the whole earth.
Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus institute Islamic law all over the earth.

Bible: The Antichrist is said to “change the times.”
Islam: It is quite certain that if the Mahdi established Islam all over the earth, he would discontinue the use of Saturday and Sunday as the weekend or days of rest but rather Friday, the holy day of Islam. Also, he would most certainly eliminate the Gregorian calendar (A.D.), and replace it with the Islamic calendar (A. H.) as is used in every Islamic country.

Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will both be powerful religious leaders who will attempt to institute a universal world religion.
Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will institute Islam as the only religion in the earth.
Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will execute anyone who does not submit to their world religion.
Islam: Likewise, the Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will execute anyone who does not submit to Islam.
Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will specifically use beheading as the primary means of execution for non-conformists.
Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will use the Islamic practice of beheading for executions.
Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will have a specific agenda to kill as many Jews as possible.
Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will kill as many Jews as is possible until only a few are left hiding behind rocks and trees.
Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will attack to conquer and seize Jerusalem.
Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will attack to re-conquer and seize Jerusalem for Islam.
Bible: The Antichrist will set himself up in the Jewish temple as his seat of authority.
Islam: The Mahdi will establish the Islamic Caliphate from Jerusalem.
Bible: The False Prophet is said to do many miracles to deceive as many as possible into supporting the Antichrist.
Islam: The Mahdi himself is said to control the weather and the crops. His face is said to glow. We can also assume that since Jesus is viewed as having been empowered by Allah to work miracles when he was here on earth the first time, he will most likely be expected to continue to do so when he returns.
Bible: The Antichrist is described as riding on a white horse in the Book of Revelation
Islam: The Mahdi is described as riding on a white horse (ironically from the same verse).
Bible: The Antichrist is said to make a peace treaty with Israel for seven years.
Islam: The Mahdi is said to make a peace treaty through a Jew (specifically a Levite) for exactly seven years.
Bible: Jesus the Jewish Messiah will return to defend the Jews in Israel from a military attack from a vast coalition of nations led by the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
Islam: The Dajjal, the Islamic Antichrist will gain a great Jewish following and claim to be Jesus Christ and fight against the Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus.
Bible: The antichrist spirit specifically denies the most unique and central doctrines of Christianity, namely the trinity, the incarnation and the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross.
Islam: Islam doctrinally and spiritually specifically denies the most unique and central doctrines of Christianity, namely the trinity, the incarnation and the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross.
Bible: The primary warning of Jesus and the Apostle Paul was to warn Christians of the abundance of deceit and deception in the last-days.
Islam: Islam is perhaps the only religion in the earth that practices deceit as one of its tools to assist its own ascendancy. It actually has a specific doctrine which allows and even calls for deception to be used to achieve its desired end.
Bible: The specific nations pictured in the Bible as being part of the final empire of the Antichrist are all Islamic nations.
Islam: All Muslims are commanded to give their allegiance to The Mahdi as the final Caliph and Imam (leader) of Islam.
Bible: From the Bible and History we learn that the final Antichrist empire will be a revived version of the Empire that succeeds the Roman Empire
Islam: The Empire that succeeded the Roman/Byzantine Empire was the Islamic Ottoman Empire
Bible: When Antichrist emerges, there will already be some form of system in place that will be poised to receive him as a Savior and to give allegiance to him.
Islam is already the second largest religion and will at present growth rates become the largest religion within a few decades. Islam is awaiting the coming of the Mahdi with a universal anticipation.

 

[DanLyn]

That’s good stuff.

 

[Steven_John]

Yes, to Muslims Messiah simply means annointed and not a deliver of the people.

From my understanding of Islamic religion, they say that Yeshua (pbwh) or Isa (pbuh) as they call him was to deliver the people but the people again messed it up as they did with messengers (pbut) before him.

The main issue with Islam is the denial of the crucifixion which the Quran does not infact deny. It is right there but Muslims for some reason don’t see it.

From my reading the Quranic text does deny the crucifixion offering a man in likeness was crucified in his place.

The other confusion is the thought that Christians worship 3 gods- which of course we don’t. Unity of GOD to a Muslim is one GOD period. Unity of GOD to Christians is the triunity of the GODHEAD.

This is true and at one point a trinity is denied but it was including Mary (bbhn). It is the only clear definition of a trinity that i have gleamed. You should note though i have poor reading skills and have to research Arabic.

Muslims can’t grasp the concept. They keep saying 1 + 1 + 1 does not = 1. The adding up of 3 different substances. They don’t realize that it is actually 1 x 1 x 1 = 1. One substance appearing to man in 3 different instances, persons.

I dont know why trinitarians get so hung up that Muslims have to understand the same, the bible, the same source people use to substantiate trinity says Ismael (pbuh) descendant have a different relationship with G-d. Not to open a can of worms IMO the later is more obvious than the former, by text not teaching. I dont see why people have a deep seated need for same understanding when the bible offers different. Sure Christians are to share the good news but if its not received stick with the bible and actually have peace. CAF is a place where lots of people sport arguments with Muslims. If i had my way i would have the fallen angel repent and turn back to The Creator but the scriptures teach that is not in the plan.

Someone asked about Gabriel. I have nenver in my 7 years of studying and discussing Islam with Muslims discovered when Gabriel introduced himself to Mohammad. We know it was not at the first revelation- he ran home in fear and distress to his wife. His wife then took him to her cousin, was it the cousin that told him it was Gabriel?

My Understanding from Hadiths not Quran is that Kadisha explained what Mohamed (pbuh) thought a demon she offered was Gabriel then took to her cousin, i would need to search and read again. Your point is the same either way.

I am not real good at scholaring stuff but if you need i can probably chase citations up for you.

IME Some Muslims have a different image of Mohamed (pbuh) to the text, i have listened to some speak of him and if i removed the accent and name it is a very Christ like image they offer.

One old man told me a story of how Mohamed (pbuh) entertained a traveller but had little food so had his wife dim the lights so the traveller would not realise he was eating and the family was not.
The old man spoke much longer and with more detail than i offer here but he had tears streaming down his cheeks i would guess this is a key image this man has.
I recalled in my head that i had i had heard this as a hadith of another man.
Who cares i was inspired this man wants to be the kind of bloke who makes sacrifice of his last food without people knowing. Could not see it as a bad thing or something G-d called me to fix.

I think in all religions as individuals we all get differing views of messengers (pbut) and what G-d wants of us, some Christians here are very concerned about proclamations, i guess thats what they see Yeshua (pbwh) as doing in the bible, I see it about action of love and dont really give a hoot what words you say.

If i was into the proclamation thing i guess i would have had debate with that old man and at a guess there would have been clear division between us.
I just did not see his heart as wrong.
Maybe come judgement day my not forcing proclamation from him will doom me to hell, well thats not what G-d inspires in me but it is what men inspire in me here.

As a muslim would say, Allah knows best, i attest this is true.

Be blessed Be guided, pray well and stay well

 

[Steven_John]

Bible: The Antichrist is described as riding on a white horse in the Book of Revelation

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I can only assume the rider of the white horse referred to here is the first and not the second. Considering lots of people dont read the bible a lot it is really worth being finite on this.

Interestingly not all Christians see this rider evil and some say he is righteous.

The second to me is clearly The Word or for most way of thinking here Yeshua (pbwh).

What does the Catholic Church teach on the first white horse rider.
And has it always been the same. I can see at least in some part of what we see as time She has been wise to not say much on this book.

From what i see early Christians were differing.

Could you elaborate on the post and teach me of the other three horses please.

Islam: The Mahdi is described as riding on a white horse (ironically from the same verse)

Thanks be to G-d He makes me humble so i can ask dumb questions what do you mean by the bracketed words?

Bless ya

 

[Dokimas]

According to the bible, muslims are the antichrist, or at the very least they do his bidding, since they claim the Jesus is not the Son of God who has come in the flesh.

The bible has warned us ahead of time that this is true.

“For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” 2 John 1:7

and also:

“and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.” 1 John 4:3

do muslims realize that the bible has warned us ahead of time that they would be coming with their teaching of satan?

we were warned.

I believe the Bible says there will be ‘small a’ anti-christs through out history and one Anti-christ at the end of the age. IMO, only God knows who that will be.