Who says it not Scriptural?

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And you know a Protestant Christian would just dismiss that, which I think is pretty laughable.
 
My question is why would you dismiss it? One of the reasons that I put this here is because of protestants saying “Do Catholics even read the Bible? Where are they getting all this stuff from???” Well this is it!

God Bless 👍
 
“They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ,…” - St. Ignatius of Antioch, “Letter to the Smyrnaeans”, paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D."

I hope you know that he wasn’t denying the real presence by this quote.

“Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead.”

“I have no taste for the food that perishes nor for the pleasures of this life. I want the Bread of God which is the Flesh of Christ, who was the seed of David; and for drink I desire His Blood which is love that cannot be destroyed.”

-“Letter to the Romans”, paragraph 7, circa 80-110 A.D.
 
Joe_Brown said:
My question is why would you dismiss it? One of the reasons that I put this here is because of protestants saying “Do Catholics even read the Bible? Where are they getting all this stuff from???” Well this is it!

God Bless 👍
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The answer, Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and Church authority.
 
Let me ask you a question was sola scriptura ever taught in the Bible? No it was not. Then how could you only rely on scripture!
 
THE CHURCH
Mt 16:18-19 - upon this rock I will build my Church
Mt 18:17 - if he refuses to listen even to the Church…
Mt 28:18-20 - go baptize and teach all nations
Mk 16:15-16 - go to whole world and proclaim gospel
Lk 10:16 - whoever hears you, hears me; rejects you, rejects me.
Jn 14:16, 26 - Holy Spirit with you always, teach/remind you of everything
Jn 16:13 - Spirit of truth will guide you to all truth.
1Tim 3:15 - Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

The Church is the body of Christ
Col 1:18 - He is the head of the body, the church.
1 Cor 12:20-27 - you are Christ’s body, individually parts of it.
Eph 5:30 - we are members of His body.
Rom 12:4-5 - though many, we are one body in Christ
1 Cor 6:15 - Don’t you know your bodies are members of Christ?

The Church must be one
Jn 10:16 - there will be one fold and one shepherd.
Eph 4:3-6 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father
Rom 16:17 - I urge that there be no divisions among you
1Cor 1:10 - I urge that there be no divisions among you
Phil 2:2 - be of same mind, united in heart thinking one thing
Rom 15:5 - God grant you to think in harmony with one another
Jn 17:17-23 - I pray that they may be one, as we are one
Jn 17:23 - that they may be brought to perfection as one
1Cor 12:13 - in one spirit we are baptized into one body
Rom 12:5 - we, though many, are one body in Christ
Eph 4:4 - one body, one Spirit, called to be one hope
Col 3:15 - the peace into which you were called in one body
Mt 16:18-19 - upon this rock I will build my Church (singular)
Mt 18:17 - tell it to THE Church; if he refuses to listen even to THE Church… (must be visible)

Apostolic Church
Jn 15;16 - Jesus chose special men to be his Apostles
Jn 20:21 - Jesus gave the Apostles his own mission
Lk 22:29-3 - Jesus gave them a kingdom
Mt 16:18 - Jesus built Church on Peter, the rock
Jn 10:16 - one shepherd to shepherd Christ’s sheep
Lk 22:32, Jn 21:17 - Peter appointed to be chief shepherd
Eph 4;11 - church leaders are hierarchical
1Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - identifies roles of bishops, priests, deacons
**Tit 1:5 - commission for bishops to ordain priests
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Authoritative Church
Mt 28:18-20 - Jesus delegates all power to Apostles
Jn 20:23 - power to forgive sin
**1Cor 11:23-24 - power to offer sacrifice (Eucharist)
Lk 10:16 - power to speak with Christ’s voice
Mt 18:18 - power to legislate
Mt 18:17 - power to discipline **
 
Infallible Church**
Jn 16:13 - guided by Holy Spirit into all truth**
Jn 14:26 - Holy Spirit to teach & remind them of everything
Lk 10:16 - speak with Christ’s own voice
1Tim 3:15 - Church called "pillar and foundation of truth"
1Jn 2:27 - anointing of Holy Spirit remains in you
Acts 15:28 - Apostles speak with voice of Holy Spirit
Mt 28:20 - I am with you

Perpetual Church
Is 9:6-7 - of Christ’s government there will be no end
Dan 2:44 - God’s kingdom shall stand forever
Dan 7:14 - His kingdom shall not be destroyed
Eph 3:21 - to him be glory in the church to all generations for ever & ever
Lk 1:32, 33 - no end to Christ’s kingdom
Mt 7:24 - Jesus is like a wise man who built his house on a rock
Mt 13:24-30 - let wheat & weeds grow together until harvest
Mt 16:18 - gates of hell will never prevail against Christ’s church
Jn 14:16 - Holy Spirit will be with you always
Mt 28:19-20 - I am with you all days

PAPACY & APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION
Primacy of Peter
Mt 16:18 - upon this rock (Peter) I will build my church
Mt 16;19 - give you keys of the kingdom; power to bind & loose
Lk 22:32 - Peter’s faith will strengthen his brethren
Jn 21:17 - given Christ’s flock as chief shepherd
Mk 16:7 - angel sent to announce Resurrection to Peter
Lk 24:34 - risen Jesus first appeared to Peter
Acts 1:13-26 - headed meeting which elected Matthias
Acts 2:14 - led Apostles in preaching on Pentecost
Acts 2:41 - received first converts**
Acts 3:6-7 - performed first miracle after Pentecos**t
Acts 5:1-11 - inflicted first punishment: Ananias & Saphira
Acts 8:21 - excommunicated first heretic, Simon Magnus
Acts 10:44-46 - received revelation to admit Gentiles into Church
**Acts 15:7 - led first council in Jerusalem
Acts 15:19 - pronounces first dogmatic decision
Gal 1:18 - after conversion, Paul visits chief Apostle
*Gal 2:11-14 - I opposed Cephas to his face for his hypocrisy
Peter’s name always heads list of Apostles: Mt 10;14; Mk 3:16-19; Lk 6:14-16; Acts 1:13
“Peter and his companions” Lk 9:32; Mk 16:7
Spoke for Apostles - Mt 18:21; Mk 8:29; Lk 8:45; 12:41; Jn 6:69
Peter’s name occurs 195 times, more than all the rest put together

Apostolic Succession
2 Chr 19:11 - high priest is over you in everything of Lord’s
Mal 2:7 - seek instruction from priest, he is God’s messenger
Eph 2:20 - Church built upon foundation of apostles & prophets
Eph 4:11 - God gave some as apostles, others as prophets…
1 Cor 12:28-29 - God designated in church: apostles, …
Acts 1:20 - let another take his office
Acts 1:25-26 - Matthias takes Judas’ apostolic ministry
1 Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - qualifications for: bishops, priests, & deacons
1Tim 4:14 - gift conferred with the laying on of hands
1Tim 5:22 - do not lay hands too readily on anyone
Acts 14:23 - they appointed presbyters in each church
2Tim 2:2 - what you heard from me entrust to faithful teachers
Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in every town, as I directed

SCRIPTURE AND TRADITION
Bible Alone or Bible Plus Tradition?
1 Cor 11:2 - hold fast to traditions I handed on to you
2 Thess 2:15 - hold fast to traditions, whether oral or by letter
2 Thess 3:6 - shun those acting not according to tradition
Jn 21:25 - not everything Jesus said recorded in Scripture
Mk 13:31 - heaven & earth shall pass away, but my word won’t
Acts 20;35 - Paul records a saying of Jesus not found in gospels
2Tim 1:13 - follow my sound words; guard the truth
2Tim2:2 - what you heard entrust to faithful men
2Pet 1:20 - no prophecy is a matter of private interpretation
2Pet 3:15-16 - Paul’s letters can be difficult to grasp & interpret
1Pet 1:25 - God’s eternal word = word preached to you
Rom 10:17 - faith come from what is heard
1Cor 15:1-2 - being saved if you hold fast to the word I preached
Mk 16:15 - go to the whole world, proclaim gospel to every creature
Mt 23:2-3 - chair of Moses; observe whatever they tell you

Tradition Condemned?
*Mt 15;3 - break commandment of God for your tradition
*Mk 7:9 - set aside God’s commandment to uphold tradition
*Col 2;8 - seductive philosophy according to human tradition
1Cor 11:2 - commends them for following Apostolic tradition
2Thess 2:15 - commands them to keep traditions
2Thess 3:6 - shun those acting not according to tradition

Deuterocanonicals
Heb 11:35 - ‘Women received their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they might rise again to a better life’ refers only to 2Macc 7

SALVATION, FAITH AND WORKS
Faith Alone or Faith plus Works?
Jam 2:24 - a man is justified by works and not by faith alone
Jam 2:26 - faith without works is dead
Gal 5:6 - only thing that counts is faith working in love
1 Cor 13:2 - faith without love is nothing
Jn 14:15 - if you love me, keep my commandments
Mt 19:16-17 - if you wish to enter into life, keep commandments
1Tim 5:8 he who doesn’t provide for family worse than unbeliever.**
 
Joe_Brown said:
Let me ask you a question was sola scriptura ever taught in the Bible? No it was not. Then how could you only rely on scripture!
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No. The Bible doesn’t teach it, nor did the Apostolic Fathers, the Early Church Fathers, the Council Fathers.

Sola Scriptura is a Protestant Doctrine invited and made up by man name Martin Luther.
 
O wait I thought you were Protestant lol. Glad to see that you are Catholic 👍
 
Joe_Brown said:
O wait I thought you were Protestant lol. Glad to see that you are Catholic 👍
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I am Catholic thinking about converting to Eastern Orthodoxy. I have to pray about this deeply, speak to my Catholic priest (who is an Army Chaplain), and Eastern Orthodox priest.
 
I will but I really urge you to talk to your Catholic Spiritual director about this. If I may ask what is your reason for wanting to leave the Catholic Church?
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Pray for me then. I have consider about the Eastern Orthodox for a while but never made a bold move to take it into action.
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What is it about the EO that has you considering it. Or is it something with Catholicism that has you looking from something else?

God bless
 
II. THE ORIENTAL ORTHODOX CHURCHES
A. The Armenian Apostolic Church
B. The Coptic Orthodox Church
C. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church
D. The Syrian Orthodox Church
E. The Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
F. The Eritrean Orthodox Church

III. THE ORTHODOX CHURCH

A. The Autocephalous Churches
  1. The Patriarchate of Constantinople (The Ecumenical Patriarchate)
  2. The Patriarchate of Alexandria
  3. The Patriarchate of Antioch
  4. The Patriarchate of Jerusalem
  5. The Orthodox Church of Russia
  6. The Orthodox Church of Serbia
  7. The Orthodox Church of Romania
  8. The Orthodox Church of Bulgaria
  9. The Orthodox Church of Georgia
  10. The Orthodox Church of Cyprus
  11. The Orthodox Church of Greece
  12. The Orthodox Church of Poland
  13. The Orthodox Church of Albania
  14. The Orthodox Church in the Czech and Slovak Republics
  15. The Holy Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America
  16. The Orthodox Church in America
A. The Autonomous Churches
  1. The Orthodox Church of Mount Sinai
  2. The Orthodox Church of Finland
  3. The Orthodox Church of Japan
  4. The Orthodox Church of China
  5. The Estonian Apostolic Orthodox Church
B. Canonical Churches Under Constantinople
  1. The American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church
  2. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA and Diaspora
  3. The Russian Orthodox Archdiocese in Western Europe
  4. The Albanian Orthodox Diocese of America
  5. The Belarusan Council of Orthodox Churches in North America
  6. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Canada
C. Churches of Irregular Status
  1. The Old Believers
  2. The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia
  3. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kiev Patriarchate and Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
  4. The Belarusan Autocephalous Orthodox Church
  5. The Macedonian Orthodox Church
  6. The Old Calendar Orthodox Churches in Greece and Romania
IV. THE CATHOLIC EASTERN CHURCHES
A. Churches with No Direct Counterpart
  1. The Maronite Catholic Church
  2. The Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
B. From the Assyrian Church of the East
  1. The Chaldean Catholic Church
  2. The Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
C. From the Oriental Orthodox Churches
  1. The Armenian Catholic Church
  2. The Coptic Catholic Church
  3. The Ethiopian Catholic Church
  4. The Syrian Catholic Church
  5. The Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
D. From the Orthodox Church
  1. The Melkite Catholic Church
  2. The Ukrainian Catholic Church
  3. The Ruthenian Catholic Church
  4. The Romanian Catholic Church
  5. The Greek Catholic Church
  6. Byzantine Catholics in former Yugoslavia
  7. The Bulgarian Catholic Church
  8. The Slovak Catholic Church
  9. The Hungarian Catholic Church
  10. Eastern Catholic Communities Without Hierarchies
Christ established one Church, one Body not all of these!!!
 
Joe_Brown said:
I will but I really urge you to talk to your Catholic Spiritual director about this. If I may ask what is your reason for wanting to leave the Catholic Church?
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Rome’s bull excommunication with the Patriarch of Constantinople in 1054 AD made by two Papal Legates. I think that excommunication should have not been used and that any issue between Western Church in Rome and Constantinople should have been more discuss the problem and the Pope should have sent someone who know Eastern cultures and norms.
 
Joe_Brown said:
II. THE ORIENTAL ORTHODOX CHURCHES
A. The Armenian Apostolic Church
B. The Coptic Orthodox Church
C. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church
D. The Syrian Orthodox Church
E. The Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
F. The Eritrean Orthodox Church

III. THE ORTHODOX CHURCH

A. The Autocephalous Churches
  1. The Patriarchate of Constantinople (The Ecumenical Patriarchate)
  2. The Patriarchate of Alexandria
  3. The Patriarchate of Antioch
  4. The Patriarchate of Jerusalem
  5. The Orthodox Church of Russia
  6. The Orthodox Church of Serbia
  7. The Orthodox Church of Romania
  8. The Orthodox Church of Bulgaria
  9. The Orthodox Church of Georgia
  10. The Orthodox Church of Cyprus
  11. The Orthodox Church of Greece
  12. The Orthodox Church of Poland
  13. The Orthodox Church of Albania
  14. The Orthodox Church in the Czech and Slovak Republics
  15. The Holy Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America
  16. The Orthodox Church in America
A. The Autonomous Churches
  1. The Orthodox Church of Mount Sinai
  2. The Orthodox Church of Finland
  3. The Orthodox Church of Japan
  4. The Orthodox Church of China
  5. The Estonian Apostolic Orthodox Church
B. Canonical Churches Under Constantinople
  1. The American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church
  2. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA and Diaspora
  3. The Russian Orthodox Archdiocese in Western Europe
  4. The Albanian Orthodox Diocese of America
  5. The Belarusan Council of Orthodox Churches in North America
  6. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Canada
C. Churches of Irregular Status
  1. The Old Believers
  2. The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia
  3. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kiev Patriarchate and Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
  4. The Belarusan Autocephalous Orthodox Church
  5. The Macedonian Orthodox Church
  6. The Old Calendar Orthodox Churches in Greece and Romania
IV. THE CATHOLIC EASTERN CHURCHES
A. Churches with No Direct Counterpart
  1. The Maronite Catholic Church
  2. The Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
B. From the Assyrian Church of the East
  1. The Chaldean Catholic Church
  2. The Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
C. From the Oriental Orthodox Churches
  1. The Armenian Catholic Church
  2. The Coptic Catholic Church
  3. The Ethiopian Catholic Church
  4. The Syrian Catholic Church
  5. The Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
D. From the Orthodox Church
  1. The Melkite Catholic Church
  2. The Ukrainian Catholic Church
  3. The Ruthenian Catholic Church
  4. The Romanian Catholic Church
  5. The Greek Catholic Church
  6. Byzantine Catholics in former Yugoslavia
  7. The Bulgarian Catholic Church
  8. The Slovak Catholic Church
  9. The Hungarian Catholic Church
  10. Eastern Catholic Communities Without Hierarchies
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Note: Those list you mention included the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches that is in full communion with Rome.

Christ established one Church, one Body not all of these!!!
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Rome’s bull excommunication with the Patriarch of Constantinople in 1054 AD made by two Papal Legates. I think that excommunication should have not been used and that any issue between Western Church in Rome and Constantinople should have been more discuss the problem and the Pope should have sent someone who know Eastern cultures and norms.
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They fell into heresy and were excommunicated. I admit it wasn’t the most prudent thing to do by coming right into their divine liturgy and slamming it down. It did make a point though. There was no more discussing time. My question is why would you break away from the Church for this reason?

Don’t go to them they deny the Pope as the successor of St. Peter. Christ established that and it is to be kept! The Church has taught that falling into heresy is a grave sin against the Church that Christ established.
 
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