Who struck first?

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This may seem weird to ask but:

Out of all of the history between Christians and Muslims. Who started the first fight between these two religions? Did the Christians first attack the growing Muslim Religion, or did the Muslims attack the Christian religion and it’s communities and the Christians fought back?
 
Muslims invaded Byzantine Christian lands. The Byzantines were too busy fighting the Persian Sassanian Empire. In their weakened states, both ultimately were overcome by Islamic conquest.

Below you can see the slow disintegration of the Byzantine Empire (Christian) and the corresponding rise of Islam as it took over formerly Christian lands.

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Well, Christianity is 600 some odd years older. That said, Muhammad and his followers were kind of aggressive.
 
Generally speaking, Christianity spread by word of mouth and the power of its message. Islam spread by Muhammad’s military conquests.
 
No. Captain James T Kirk shot first!😀
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Was the Muslim’s attack on the Christian empire, at the time , done under the idea of getting their homeland back?
 
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TheLegend said:
Was the Muslim’s attack on the Christian empire, at the time , done under the idea of getting their homeland back?
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The “Muslim homeland” was the Arabian Peninsula. Christians didn’t take anything from the Arabs, it was the Arabs who invaded and forced large scale adoption of Arabic language and culture throughout the Mediterranean.

The “time of ignorance” (the period in Arabia before the emergence of Islam) was a time of paganism with some Jewish and Christian communities. Once Muhammad began spreading his religious beliefs, the tribes that converted to Islam subjugated those that did not. From the very beginning, Islam was willing to use force to spread the religion.
 
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And so it was the Muslims that attacked the Christian settlements first, and not the Christians attacking the Muslims first?
 
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You are speaking of the birth place of Islam.
i will have to do some looking around as i thought that Muslims claim Abraham as their father. Thus the lands of the Jews which where mixed in with the Christian lands were their true homeland. This why i put forth the question.
 
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i will have to do some looking around as i thought that Muslims claim Abraham as their father. Thus the lands of the Jews which where mixed in with the Christian lands were their true homeland. This why i put forth the question.
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I’m not sure that was what they based their conquest of Byzantine lands on though. I was always under the assumption the only excuse they needed was to spread the faith and the Byzantines happened to be weak at the time.

I mean, they conquered a lot more than just Palestine. And we need to make it clear, the Arabs never actually possessed Palestine before the Islamic conquests, so they may have been taking what they thought belonged to them but they weren’t taking anything “back.” The land had been inhabited not by Arabic peoples but by Syriac and Hellenized people, with a Jewish presence.
 
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Muslims struck first. Very long story short, Mohamed thought the Christians and Jews would accept him as a prophet and follow him willingly (this was the time frame all the tolerant teachings were being taught, respect them, people of the book, etc) once those groups rejected him, conversion or death became the modus operandi. In the Muslim faith, if god gave Mohamed a revelation that seems to contradict a previous one, the newest one chronologically takes precedence. This gets confusing though because the Koran isnt compiled in order of when things were allegedly revealed to the so called prophet.

So when Christians and Jews said naw fam we’re good, that was when old Mohamed decided to get all violent.
 
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In the Muslim faith, if god gave Mohamed a revelation that seems to contradict a previous one, the newest one chronologically takes precedence.
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That is abrogation. You are correct. One of the reasons why I can’t understand the morality of the Muslim God, is his change of morality.
 
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Probably not politically correct to say but I personally don’t believe Muslims worship the same god we do. I say that because the god of the Koran and the God of the Bible are vastly different in the way they are referred to in the respective texts. A good example being that our God is eternal, and the one described in the Koran seems to change his mind arbitrarily.
 
Historically, one cut to the heart (Acts 2:37). The other cut off the head.
 
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TheLegend said:
No. Captain James T Kirk shot first!😀
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Impossible!

Han Solo lived a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. He was born in 29 BBY. Kirk won’t even be born until March 22 of 2233 AD.

Han shot first… by about 4.7 billion years 😜
 
If you look in the Bible and read of Sarah’s resentment of her handmaid, Hagar, whom she had given to her husband, Abraham, to bear a son and then cast out of her household, you’ll see how it all began.
 
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