Who was the Rock in Matthew 16:18?

[rovimax]

“Man will not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God” Jesus was SS - tell me where the mouth of God resides? The church is the pillar and support of what? The truth, God’s word is the truth. It does say it explicitly, just not in your vernacular.

Verse please.

The Trinity is very implicit all over Scripture with the best and clearest example of “in the Name (singular) of the 1)Father and of the 2)Son and of the 3)Holy Ghost”

SS is the only way, why? Where else has God spoken, which is now written.

**"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; **Jesus is SS and only quoted from the written word because He is the Word, not a church. The individual body is to protect that Word and exalt the Word to the glory of God.

Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, - this is how all Christians are able to know the truth. Mono e’ mono (One on one)

14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Paul was an SS man:
Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past, 26 but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith; 27 to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, be the glory forever. Amen.
Summary: Jesus, Peter and Paul were all SS men. Moses was an SS man, David was an SS man

Doesn’t depend on if it was written at the time it was spoken orally, because whether orally or written, it is all comes from the mouth of God and we are blessed to have it in written form. No one can add to Gods mouth from God’s view point.

There is no rational reason to assume that any oral teaching is not contained in the written word, for the oral teachings as Peter indicated above were one in the same, which makes since because anytime oral teaching is spoken of in the Scripture; it is indictive that it already existed; therefore could not be created nor invented, which is why god probably warned about adding to or subtracting fro His word. Sounds reasonable to me, but I am a SS man because I don’t see any way possible to prove anything outside of His word that exists and I have been searching and have thus far not found anything.

Paul an SS man? Are you sure you read properly the NT? The Word of God alone should be emphasized. 2Thes 2:15. The word of God comes by word of mouth and by letters. In Acts 20:35, Paul said quoting Jesus ‘’ ***It is more blessed to give than to receive.’’ ***Have you read that in any Gospel? Its a good thing somebody told Paul about it and Paul write it. Otherwise that beautiful words of Jesus woul have lost in eternity.

How can Moses be an SS? The first 5 books of the OT were attributed to him as the writer. What reference can he use except from God himself? Sola Scriptura was non exixtent in the teachings from the beginning til now.

 

[MacDaddy]

Mac,

You’re grasping at anything you can to deny Peter’s authority, clearly stated in scriptures. While you argue against the authority of the Catholic Church, you do so based on your interpretation, setting yourself up to be an ‘authority’. Personally, I’m going with Peter’s authority as it is written about in scriptures. You have yet to prove your authority…

Peter was a man. This was proven by his weaknesses, yet our Lord singled him out to ‘feed His sheep’. Asking him 3 times if he loved Him, each time commanding him to ‘feed his lambs’, after Peter had denied Him.

When this country was founded the founding fathers created a legislative body to interpret the constitution for us. They did not tell us to interpret it for ourselves. Why would anyone think God would have done less than men?

Is that what the Scripture really says?

 

[MacDaddy]

As far as the verse about the Church being the authority, I will admit to saying the word “plainly” to quickly. You, yourself, quoted 1 Tim. 3: 15. In that verse it does not say that scripture is the pillar and foundation of the truth does it now? No, it says that Church is.

I would argue however, that Paul was not opposed to tradition either. Sure, he stuck by scripture by all means, but not alone.

2 Tim. 2: 2 That isn’t written scripture now is it? It was his words he wanted passed on.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 He is teaching opposite of what you are saying that he firmly a believer in.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 Again, not at all a SS man, so to speak. He is thanking them for receiving their words as God’s word.

1 Corinthians 11:2 “and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them to you” That isn’t exactly SS there. That is tradition and scripture.

2 Peter 20-21 Clearly says there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation.

Sola Scriptura holds no water, even when using the Bible against it. If you want to refer to all the scriptures where Paul, Peter, and others refer to scriptures, then by all means go ahead. We will only be able to focus on the OT if that is the case for there was no NT at the time those men walked the earth.

The fact remains that the CC put together the NT as it sits, and it remained untouched for 1500 years, until Martin Luther took it upon himself to remove books in it. Yes, our Bible is still complete. Is yours?

Go back and reread the post; I think you are mixing things up.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Simon = Peter = stone
Simon in Hebrew means hear or listen and you won’t find the name in the OT, but in Greek, Simon = Peter. Jesus gave him the same name but from a Hebrew root to a Greek root; yet Jesus called Him Simon, Simon Simon & Simon son of John after the Matthew 16 or Mark 3, so like i said, where is the name change? Furthermore; Petra is not Petro (Peter), otherwise He would be a girl. Kind of insulting to Peter, the stone-man.

Remember john the Baptist was proclaiming, “repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand”
Did you know the Kingdom is also (noun feminine). Also did you know that “church” is (noun feminine)? Did you know that Petra is (noun feminine)

You really aren’t reading through these threads.

Simon does not mean rock, nor does it mean Peter. Peter is the English translation for the Greek Petros. Matthew recorded Simon’s name to Petros because he would not have referred to him in the feminine sense Petra… It all becomes moot when you consider Christ spoke Aramaic and there is only one word for rock, Kephas.

 

[MacDaddy]

i was being sarcastic. IWhen told the scriptures do not say Mary was ever virgin, I said, scriptures do not say Mary was NOT ever virgin. I’m told Catholics can’t prove a negative, referencing the perpetual viriginity, if it’s not in scriptures, but then the same people say, birth control is allowable because it’s not in scriptures. They are both negatives. It’s a double standard.

You did not even mention Mary; so i don’t see the sarcasm.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

You did not even mention Mary; so i don’t see the sarcasm.

You seem to be missing alot of what’s being posted…with that said, I’ll be fair and let you know there are some here who were in a discussion on another thread.

 

[MacDaddy]

nods It is always a double standard.

I think you both are getting very sleepy, go back and reread the posts, their is no double standard, that would be fallacy.

 

[MacDaddy]

How do you decide which Church is right?

Did you read Nehemiah 8? Seems God used men of authority in the Temple to interpret Old Testament scriptures for the people, just as God used men of the Church to interpret New Testament scriptures to the people.

Oh, so saying Peter had no authority in this discussion is not to be taken as we are wrong?

show me

edit to add; Who is the interpreter of Scripture OT & NT? Never mind, that is another topic and I’m doomed anyway so i conceed victory to the Prodigal son(won). :dancing::tiphat:

 

[adrift]

Ok let me say that Peter is not the rock of my Church. My faith in Jesus is. .

What Church is that because in the Catholic Church Peter is the rock. Scripture often does have more than one meaning. To say that the Rock was Peter’s faith is not incorrect but not complete either.

Birth Control is not a sin. No where in the Bible does it say that it is. Orans sin was disobedience not birth control.

This is only partly the story. Quoting 135

The Bible mentions at least one form of contraception specifically and condemns it. Coitus interruptus, was used by Onan to avoid fulfilling his duty according to the ancient Jewish law of fathering children for one’s dead brother. “Judah said to Onan, ‘Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.’ But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife he spilled the semen on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother. And what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he slew him also” (Gen. 38:8–10).

The biblical penalty for not giving your brother’s widow children was public humiliation, not death (Deut. 25:7–10). But Onan received death as punishment for his crime. This means his crime was more than simply not fulfilling the duty of a brother-in-law. He lost his life because he violated natural law, as Jewish and Christian commentators have always understood. For this reason, certain forms of contraception have historically been known as “Onanism,” after the man who practiced it, just as homosexuality has historically been known as “Sodomy,” after the men of Sodom, who practiced that vice (cf. Gen. 19).

I realize that you have eight years of indoctination that of which you cannot or will not let go.

Look you can call it whatever you want, but Birthcontrol is not a sin.

By what authority do you claim this?
The Scripture says that His Church would loosen or bind and would be so in Heaven.

I know that what I am about to suggest will go against your pride but please do a CATHOLIC Bible study and learn wthat the Bible truly is.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I think you both are getting very sleepy, go back and reread the posts, their is no double standard, that would be fallacy.

Mac, you are the one missing the point, on several fronts. Number one, the double standard is being used between two threads. Number two it’s evident you are not reading the posts, because you are repeating posting the same info without acknowledging points being made.

Anyways, I have another 24 hour shift tomorrow and cannot spend the time repeating the same thing over and over for you to ignore…

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

show me

edit to add; Who is the interpreter of Scripture OT & NT? Never mind, that is another topic and I’m doomed anyway so i conceed victory to the Prodigal son(won). :dancing::tiphat:

Thanks, but it’s not a ‘game’ of win or lose…it’s people seeking God’s truth, in what I hope is, in honest discussion.

 

[MacDaddy]

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Oh Yeah…take this: :nunchuk:

and this:
1 وجاء اليه الفريسيون والصدوقيون ليجربوه فسألوه ان يريهم آية من
السماء . 2 فاجاب وقال لهم اذا كان المساء قلتم صحو . لان السماء محمرة . 3 وفي الصباح اليوم شتاء . لان السماء محمرة بعبوسة . يا مراؤون
تعرفون ان تميّزوا وجه السماء واما علامات الازمنة فلا تستطيعون . 4 جيل شرير فاسق يلتمس آية . ولا تعطى له آية الا آية يونان النبي
. ثم تركهم ومضى

5 ولما جاء تلاميذه الى العبر نسوا ان ياخذوا خبزا . 6 وقال لهم يسوع انظروا وتحرزوا من خمير الفريسيين والصدوقيين . 7 ففكروا في انفسهم قائلين اننا لم نأخذ خبزا . 8 فعلم يسوع وقال لماذا تفكرون في انفسكم يا قليلي الايمان انكم
لم تأخذوا خبزا . 9 أحتى الآن لا تفهمون ولا تذكرون خمس خبزات الخمسة الآلاف وكم قفة
اخذتم . 10 ولا سبع خبزات الاربعة الآلاف وكم سلا اخذتم . 11 كيف لا تفهمون اني ليس عن الخبز قلت لكم ان تتحرزوا من خمير
الفريسيين والصدوقيين . 12 حينئذ فهموا انه لم يقل ان يتحرزوا من خمير الخبز بل من تعليم
الفريسيين والصدوقيين

13 ولما جاء يسوع الى نواحي قيصرية فيلبس سأل تلاميذه قائلا من
يقول الناس اني انا ابن الانسان . 14 فقالوا . قوم يوحنا المعمدان . وآخرون ايليا . وآخرون ارميا او
واحد من الانبياء . 15 فقال لهم وانتم من تقولون اني انا . 16 فاجاب سمعان بطرس وقال انت هو المسيح ابن الله الحي . 17 فاجاب يسوع وقال له طوبى لك يا سمعان بن يونا . ان لحما ودما لم
يعلن لك لكن ابي الذي في السموات . 18 وانا اقول لك ايضا انت بطرس وعلى هذه الصخرة ابني كنيستي وابواب
الجحيم لن تقوى عليها . 19 وأعطيك مفاتيح ملكوت السموات . فكل ما تربطه على الارض يكون
مربوطا في السموات . وكل ما تحله على الارض يكون محلولا في السموات . 20 حينئذ اوصى تلاميذه ان لا يقولوا لاحد انه يسوع المسيح

21 من ذلك الوقت ابتدأ يسوع يظهر لتلاميذه انه ينبغي ان يذهب الى
اورشليم ويتألم كثيرا من الشيوخ ورؤساء الكهنة والكتبة ويقتل وفي
اليوم الثالث يقوم . 22 فأخذه بطرس اليه وابتدأ ينتهره قائلا حاشاك يا رب . لا يكون لك
هذا . 23 فالتفت وقال لبطرس اذهب عني يا شيطان . انت معثرة لي لانك لا
تهتم بما لله لكن بما للناس

24 حينئذ قال يسوع لتلاميذه ان اراد احد ان يأتي ورائي فلينكر نفسه
ويحمل صليبه ويتبعني . 25 فان من اراد ان يخلّص نفسه يهلكها . ومن يهلك نفسه من اجلي يجدها
. 26 لانه ماذا ينتفع الانسان لو ربح العالم كله وخسر نفسه . او ماذا
يعطي الانسان فداء عن نفسه . 27 فان ابن الانسان سوف يأتي في مجد ابيه مع ملائكته وحينئذ يجازي
كل واحد حسب عمله . 28 الحق اقول لكم ان من القيام ههنا قوما لا يذوقون الموت حتى يروا
ابن الانسان آتيا في ملكوته

Yeeehhhaaaaaaaaa: & this too :knight2:

swoooohh :yawn: good night and God bless

 

[adrift]

Simon = Peter = stone
Simon in Hebrew means hear or listen and you won’t find the name in the OT, but in Greek, Simon = Peter. Jesus gave him the same name but from a Hebrew root to a Greek root; yet Jesus called Him Simon, Simon Simon & Simon son of John after the Matthew 16 or Mark 3, so like i said, where is the name change? Furthermore; Petra is not Petro (Peter), otherwise He would be a girl. Kind of insulting to Peter, the stone-man.

Remember john the Baptist was proclaiming, “repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand”
Did you know the Kingdom is also (noun feminine). Also did you know that “church” is (noun feminine)? Did you know that Petra is (noun feminine)

Simon Name Meaning and History
English, French, German, Dutch, Spanish (Simón), Czech and Slovak (Šimon), Slovenian, Hungarian, and Jewish (Ashkenazic): from the personal name, Hebrew Shim‘on, which is probably derived from the verb sham‘a ‘to hearken’. In the Vulgate and in many vernacular versions of the** Old Testament, this is usually rendered Simeon. In the Greek New Testament, however, the name occurs as Simon, as a result of assimilation **to the pre-existing Greek byname Simon (from simos ‘snub-nosed’). Both Simon and Simeon were in use as personal names in western Europe from the Middle Ages onward. In Christendom the former was always more popular, at least in part because of its associations with the apostle Simon Peter, the brother of Andrew. In Britain there was also confusion from an early date with Anglo-Scandinavian forms of Sigmund (see Siegmund), a name whose popularity was reinforced at the Conquest by the Norman form Simund.

Jesus named him Kephas. His father named him Simon. One means rock and the other means to hear. One person with two names.

 

[Lib_Christian]

2 Pet 1:20 tells us no prophecy found in Scripture was put there by the prophets’s private interpretation but was revealed by God. It doesn’t say we can’t read Scripture for ourselves and determine what we believe.

2Tim 3:15-17, Douay Rheims 1899 edition:

15And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,

17That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.

So ok Scripture gives us all we need for salvation. We can read it and determine what or who we believe the rock is. There will be differences on what we come up with. That’s faith.

 

[graceandglory]

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Mat 16:19 καιG2532 AND δωσωG1325 [G5692] I WILL GIVE σοιG4671 TO THEE ταςG3588 THE κλειςG2807 KEYS τηςG3588 OF THE βασιλειαςG932 KINGDOM τωνG3588 OF THE ουρανωνG3772 HEAVENS : καιG2532 AND οG3739 εανG1437 WHATEVER δησηςG1210 [G5661] THOU MAYEST BIND επιG1909 ON τηςG3588 THE γηςG1093 EARTH, εσταιG2071 [G5704] SHALL BE δεδεμενονG1210 [G5772] BOUND ενG1722 IN τοιςG3588 THE ουρανοιςG3772 HEAVENS; καιG2532 AND οG3739 εανG1437 WHATEVER λυσηςG3089 [G5661] THOU MAYEST LOOSE επιG1909 ON τηςG3588 THE γηςG1093 EARTH, εσταιG2071 [G5704] SHALL BE λελυμενονG3089 [G5772] LOOSED ενG1722 IN τοιςG3588 THE ουρανοιςG3772 HEAVENS.

G4074
Πέτρος
Petros
pet’-ros
Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.

G4073
πέτρα
petra
pet’-ra
Feminine** of the same as G4074; a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock.

G2786
Κηφᾶς
Kēphas
kay-fas’
Of Chaldee origin (compare [H3710]); the Rock; Cephas (that is, Kepha), surname of Peter: - Cephas.

When you cut and paste, please cite your source, so we can look it up.

 

[graceandglory]

Oh Yeah…take this: :nunchuk:

and this:
1 وجاء اليه الفريسيون والصدوقيون ليجربوه فسألوه ان يريهم آية من
السماء . 2 فاجاب وقال لهم اذا كان المساء قلتم صحو . لان السماء محمرة . 3 وفي الصباح اليوم شتاء . لان السماء محمرة بعبوسة . يا مراؤون
تعرفون ان تميّزوا وجه السماء واما علامات الازمنة فلا تستطيعون . 4 جيل شرير فاسق يلتمس آية . ولا تعطى له آية الا آية يونان النبي
. ثم تركهم ومضى

5 ولما جاء تلاميذه الى العبر نسوا ان ياخذوا خبزا . 6 وقال لهم يسوع انظروا وتحرزوا من خمير الفريسيين والصدوقيين . 7 ففكروا في انفسهم قائلين اننا لم نأخذ خبزا . 8 فعلم يسوع وقال لماذا تفكرون في انفسكم يا قليلي الايمان انكم
لم تأخذوا خبزا . 9 أحتى الآن لا تفهمون ولا تذكرون خمس خبزات الخمسة الآلاف وكم قفة
اخذتم . 10 ولا سبع خبزات الاربعة الآلاف وكم سلا اخذتم . 11 كيف لا تفهمون اني ليس عن الخبز قلت لكم ان تتحرزوا من خمير
الفريسيين والصدوقيين . 12 حينئذ فهموا انه لم يقل ان يتحرزوا من خمير الخبز بل من تعليم
الفريسيين والصدوقيين

13 ولما جاء يسوع الى نواحي قيصرية فيلبس سأل تلاميذه قائلا من
يقول الناس اني انا ابن الانسان . 14 فقالوا . قوم يوحنا المعمدان . وآخرون ايليا . وآخرون ارميا او
واحد من الانبياء . 15 فقال لهم وانتم من تقولون اني انا . 16 فاجاب سمعان بطرس وقال انت هو المسيح ابن الله الحي . 17 فاجاب يسوع وقال له طوبى لك يا سمعان بن يونا . ان لحما ودما لم
يعلن لك لكن ابي الذي في السموات . 18 وانا اقول لك ايضا انت بطرس وعلى هذه الصخرة ابني كنيستي وابواب
الجحيم لن تقوى عليها . 19 وأعطيك مفاتيح ملكوت السموات . فكل ما تربطه على الارض يكون
مربوطا في السموات . وكل ما تحله على الارض يكون محلولا في السموات . 20 حينئذ اوصى تلاميذه ان لا يقولوا لاحد انه يسوع المسيح

21 من ذلك الوقت ابتدأ يسوع يظهر لتلاميذه انه ينبغي ان يذهب الى
اورشليم ويتألم كثيرا من الشيوخ ورؤساء الكهنة والكتبة ويقتل وفي
اليوم الثالث يقوم . 22 فأخذه بطرس اليه وابتدأ ينتهره قائلا حاشاك يا رب . لا يكون لك
هذا . 23 فالتفت وقال لبطرس اذهب عني يا شيطان . انت معثرة لي لانك لا
تهتم بما لله لكن بما للناس

24 حينئذ قال يسوع لتلاميذه ان اراد احد ان يأتي ورائي فلينكر نفسه
ويحمل صليبه ويتبعني . 25 فان من اراد ان يخلّص نفسه يهلكها . ومن يهلك نفسه من اجلي يجدها
. 26 لانه ماذا ينتفع الانسان لو ربح العالم كله وخسر نفسه . او ماذا
يعطي الانسان فداء عن نفسه . 27 فان ابن الانسان سوف يأتي في مجد ابيه مع ملائكته وحينئذ يجازي
كل واحد حسب عمله . 28 الحق اقول لكم ان من القيام ههنا قوما لا يذوقون الموت حتى يروا
ابن الانسان آتيا في ملكوته

Yeeehhhaaaaaaaaa: & this too :knight2:

swoooohh :yawn: good night and God bless

***“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.”
Colossians 3:16
Good night, and God Bless, BigMacDaddy.

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[Javl]

I have answered it twice, but did not meet the standard of “satisfaction”. Could there be a problem with the standard? What is the standard?

Thank you for your reply. I have heard that “explanation” before. It still does not answer the question.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Javl]

Prodigal Son1:

No matter the proof that you present to show them otherwise, they must have a “raison d’etre” ( a reason to be ) otherwise their whole world will come tumbling down. Therefore “sola scriptura” is their bulwark, no matter what. Sooner or later ( sooner, I pray ) they will realize their error and come home, like the prodigal son. The proof of what I say is the vast number that enter/return to the true Church versus the miniscule number that leave ( most leave not for religious reason, but for rejection of authority, self sacrifice, etc. ).

Of course, many will argue about and/or condemn what I say, but as the old saying goes “the proof is in the pudding”. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

When you cut and paste, please cite your source, so we can look it up.

It comes from esword, which I have installed on my computer and modules I have found. The esword program is provided free through a Christian owned website at esword.net. If you decide to use it, let me know and I’ll give you links to alot of modules you can install.

 

[RedBert]

re:Kepha

The problem is that the text is not in Aramaic, but Greek. **Since we do not have the Aramaic text, it is not proper to refer to it as proof **of the Catholic position