Who, What, When, Where, Why Your Religion?

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If you belong to the Church of England (Anglican), your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
Anglican love to say they are Catholic.

By their very foundation THEY ARE NOT CATHOLIC. WHY?

They were started by a King of England, he was PROTESTING against the Catholic Church, therefore Anglicans are Protestants!

Secondly their Bishops are not in the Apostolic line, meaning their Priests and Bishops are not valid, not Catholic !
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Yikes !

Maybe a good question would be:

"what was your face before you washed it ? "

Many hundreds of years ( a helluva foundation, actually ) weren’t magically done away with because a fat, selfish king wanted a divorce.

Each Anglican bishop can trace his consecration directly back to Peter - like it or not.

As an Episcopalian, I am proud to say that I’m a catholic…
 
  1. Science undrstands creation, not religion.
  2. Miricles are easliy faked. What about pagan miricles? They are claimed to have happened? Why do theyh have any more credibility than yours? Don’t rely on such handed down second-hand sources.
  3. There is no purpose. Not even religion can prove a purpose. Try me
  4. Eternal sleepness, like it was before you were born.
  5. I actually do (because my family does). I liek the feeling, there is christmas free of religion!
    6. I don’t have children (yet). If they wanted to be religious, fine. But I’d remind them they’re throwing their freedoms away.
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Exactly what freedoms would they be throwing away by being religious??? Each person has freedoms be it by natural law or by religion…please explain more.
 
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jamesclaude:
Yikes !

Maybe a good question would be:

"what was your face before you washed it ? "

Many hundreds of years ( a helluva foundation, actually ) weren’t magically done away with because a fat, selfish king wanted a divorce.

Each Anglican bishop can trace his consecration directly back to Peter - like it or not.

As an Episcopalian, I am proud to say that I’m a catholic…
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Many Anglican bishops however have either been reconsecrated by, or they ensured a Old Catholic or Orthodox bishop consecrated them. - they realised what had happened to Anglican Orders at the reformation…

Also, as an ex Anglican I am aware there are Anglican priests who celebrate seven sacraments and perhaps have valid orders for the reasons above.

However you will find Anglican ‘priests’ who would not want to be called priests, would only celebrate 3 sacraments and see bishops simply as diocese administrators…

And others who believe everything in between…

osp.org.uk/
pandgchurch.org.uk/
stmungos.org/
saintthomas.org.uk/
 
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Cubby:
Pug,

This thread is defined as “non-Catholic” - in that light, I don’t understand your post.

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Because I misunderstood your use of “non-Catholic”. It didn’t sound to me like you were merely asking people who do not happen to be Catholic to repsond. It sounded to me like you perhaps were implying that people who are non-Catholic were specifically, by a deliberate choice, actively chosing to not be Catholic, as opposed to chosing to be something and as a side-effect they therefore are categorizable as non-Catholic. It did not seem off topic to attempt to clarify what the original post is talking about and better understand the thread.

So, I offered a comment that might bring the implication into light. But since you say my post doesn’t make sense to you, you clearly weren’t implying it. I misunderstood.
 
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sarcophagus:
Exactly what freedoms would they be throwing away by being religious??? Each person has freedoms be it by natural law or by religion…please explain more.
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If you belong to a religion, you’re going to have to follow that religion’s laws. The Catholic Church’s laws take away some serious freedoms such as:
  1. Sex before marrage
  2. Use of birth control
  3. Your view on abortion and gay marrage
  4. masturbation
  5. freedom of thought
  6. freedom of speech
  7. Your views on science and history
  8. “lust”
  9. freedom to use substances otherwise forbidden by the religion
  10. Who you will vote for
  11. How you will live your life
  12. How you will dress
And the list goes on…
 
Led Zeppelin75:
If you belong to a religion, you’re going to have to follow that religion’s laws. The Catholic Church’s laws take away some serious freedoms such as:
  1. Sex before marrage
  2. Use of birth control
  3. Your view on abortion and gay marrage
  4. masturbation
  5. freedom of thought
  6. freedom of speech
  7. Your views on science and history
  8. “lust”
  9. freedom to use substances otherwise forbidden by the religion
  10. Who you will vote for
  11. How you will live your life
  12. How you will dress
And the list goes on…
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Those of us who have lived a good deal longer than you have understand that following your own “wisdom” regarding most of these 12 things will lead to a seriously screwed up life full of pain, regret, loneliness and lots of collateral damage on innocents (mainly children). Your brand of “freedom” leads to inevitable bondage.

When we give ourselves over to the way God wants us to live, the genuine freedom we experience is incredible.

But hey, you go right ahead. just don’t say we didn’t warn you.

God bless you,
Paul
 
Led Zeppelin75:
To open some minds.
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With all due respect, Zep, you’ll have to come up with some much better material if you hope to change our thinking. Your arguments scarcely rise above the “God is dog spelled backwards” variety. Trust me, we all heard your routine back in Junior High.

Paul
 
I’m a … Jew for Mohammed! 😃

Nah, I’m just a Free…uh…Roman Catholic! 🙂
 
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PaulDupre:
Those of us who have lived a good deal longer than you have understand that following your own “wisdom” regarding most of these 12 things will lead to a seriously screwed up life full of pain, regret, loneliness and lots of collateral damage on innocents (mainly children). Your brand of “freedom” leads to inevitable bondage.

When we give ourselves over to the way God wants us to live, the genuine freedom we experience is incredible.

But hey, you go right ahead. just don’t say we didn’t warn you.

God bless you,
Paul
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And exactly how do these mess up our life? They’re NATURAL things man has, religion goes against nature in this regard.
 
This was your thread. Why were you quoted the bible if you don’t think it’s credible?

1 Corinthians 11,14 says:

“Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him”

This clearly attacks men with long hair. I’m a man with long hair down to mid-back, I’ve had it for about 10 years now, I never considered cutting it due to religious reasons. My long hair is important to me, what do you suggest I do?

Some kind of fishing expedition?
 
I suspect that religions function like branches of a tree whose trunk is a common transcendent/immanent source, whose roots are the inexpressable Mystery.

I learn from all the branches, but I try to listen to the whispers of the root.
 
Led Zeppelin75:
  1. I don’t have children (yet). If they wanted to be religious, fine. But I’d remind them they’re throwing their freedoms away.
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Unless you’re willing to forfiet some of your “freedoms,” you’ll not be a happy parent…or you’ll not have happy children…
 
Led Zeppelin75 said:
1. Science undrstands creation, not religion.
2. Miricles are easliy faked. What about pagan miricles? They are claimed to have happened? Why do theyh have any more credibility than yours? Don’t rely on such handed down second-hand sources.
3. There is no purpose. Not even religion can prove a purpose. Try me
4. Eternal sleepness, like it was before you were born.
5. I actually do (because my family does). I liek the feeling, there is christmas free of religion!
6. I don’t have children (yet). If they wanted to be religious, fine. But I’d remind them they’re throwing their freedoms away.
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I could look you in the eye and tell you of miracles I have seen personally. But you wouldn’t believe me. Your cynicism clouds everything. There ARE things in the universe that we cannot see with our eyes. You’re like a deaf man that tries to tell a hearing man that what he hears is all in his imagination. I’m sad for you. Miracles DO happen, I’ve witnessed them. I’ve seen things that prove the existence of the supernatural. God does exist. He exists whether you believe it or not. He loves you whether you believe it or not.
 
Back to the poll: Other: Anglican/Episcopalian. Former Catholic. I heard the Cafeteria Catholic sermon one time too many (i.e. accept it all, or leave), so I left. High Church Anglo-Catholicism was pretty much the closest fit. And yes, I know it’s not perfect.
 
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rayne89:
This clearly attacks men with long hair. I’m a man with long hair down to mid-back, I’ve had it for about 10 years now, I never considered cutting it due to religious reasons. My long hair is important to me, what do you suggest I do?
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:rolleyes: Clearly, someone has touched a nerve.
The bible doesn’t attack men with long hair. Goodness, Jesus is depicted with pretty long hair.
I began going shorter with my hair in the 90’s, and haven’t regretted it.
Long hair is a 70’s ~ 60’s “hippie” look. I’m glad I got onboard with the millenium. 😉 Grown men who walk around with hair down their backs generally look as though they’re stuck in a time warp. But it’s their life, their hair, so who cares?
Funny, though, that you feel your long hair is “important” to you. What’s so important about it?
Maybe you should’ve used Samson as a screen name. Now his hair was important! 😉
 
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rayne89:
I’m a man with long hair down to mid-back, I’ve had it for about 10 years now, I never considered cutting it due to religious reasons. My long hair is important to me, what do you suggest I do?
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I suggest you cut it. Why would a grown man want pretty long hair? I agree that the “very nature of things” tells us that men shouldn’t be worried about their hair. Your hair is important to you? That statement suggest to me that you have misplaced priorities. I admit I’m judging you. I can’t help it.
 
  1. Sex before marrage
  2. Use of birth control
  3. Your view on abortion and gay marrage
  4. masturbation
  5. freedom of thought
  6. freedom of speech
  7. Your views on science and history
  8. “lust”
  9. freedom to use substances otherwise forbidden by the religion
  10. Who you will vote for
  11. How you will live your life
  12. How you will dress
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Ok, Zep, ,let me tell you a little something about these freedoms. They all can chain you down. Now, ,I’m not saying I don’t do any of these things, however, since being guided to a “religion”, I understand now that my actions were more conformist then anything else because I became a slave to something, regardless of how much I thought I was expressing my freedom.
  1. Sex before marriage can cause considerable challenges,ie. pregnancy, sometimes abortion, disease. This usually occurs as someone not ready to take on any of these challenges and so their freedom turns into having to rely on the government, family, other people, health care…to help them out of their tight spots.
  2. Use of birth control cause a chemical dependency. YOu depend on this chemical to keep you safe from the aforementioned. Unless it is for serious health reasons, birth control only adds more frustration as you must take it same time, everyday…there is no freedom in that. I admit though, I have yet to decide my stance on other forms of contraceptives.
  3. One does not have to be part of a religion to have a view on abortion or gay marriage. Sure, your view may be slanted, but other “athiests” such as yourself, could easily disagree with both. That doesn’t mean their religion chose this view for them.
  4. Masturbation, in my opinion is useless. I’d rather be with my husband then myself. I think it’s much healthier to have a good sex life with my husband then a mediochre sex life with myself. That is just my opinion because I have no more views on masturbation (not much of an argument 😉 ).
  5. Freedom of thought…you can think whatever you very well want to whether you are established in a religion or not. It’s when you act on thought that is the problem.
  6. Freedom of speech…No one has complete freedom of speech, not even you. YOu couldn’t go on an airplane and yell “BOMB”. Religion does not limit your freedom of speech at all. If you sincerely believe something, you can express it however you choose. For example, one believes in abortion and another doesn’t. Each has equal opportunity and right to say what they feel about abortion. Religion does not limit this if you seriously believe what you are saying. You argument may work if every person in every religion was forced to speak the religions beliefs and nothing else if they don’t beleive it, however, that doesn’t occur (that I know of).
  7. Science and history is not affected by religious beliefs. Just because I am a christian now doesn’t mean I will suddenly deny the heinous wars and crimes that the church did. That would be denying fact and would be rather stupid. Views on history depend on what textbooks you read, not whether you read the bible or not. Science…ahhh, science. I’m a 2nd year biotechnology student. I am a huge believer in science. You can believe in both science and religion because it’s working fine for me. I’ve always been a scientist and yes, I believe in evolution as well as creationism. I’m not going to go into depth about my theory, it’s too long, but PM if you really want to know. Religion can shape your views on science minimally, but that doesn’t mean that someone who believes in creationism is wrong. I know a guy who believes aliens populated earth as a science experiment, doesn’t mean he’s wrong because it isn’t proven. Weird, yes, but not wrong yet either.
 
Cont’d…
  1. Where does lust get you? What benefits are there in lusting over a person/object? When you get the object of your desire, does it make you anymore satisfied? No…not really, it’s a vicious cycle. I feel that when someone lusts for something, they are not appreciating the life they already have.
  2. Freedom to use substances is the biggest non-freedom you will ever find. It’s a complete lie. Dependency on substances is more accurate. Take it from me, a drug addict for 9 years, i started when I was 12, there is nothing free about it. I’m still struggling with my dependency, it’s rough. I feel more chained down then I ever have before because everything I do depends on whether I can get high or not (not necessarily now, but a few months ago, yes). I don’t buy this argument for a second. If it was a freedom, i would gladly give up that right if I could now, it’s too late for that.
  3. You use your morals and values when you vote, not your religion. Your religion may be part of these morals, but your morals aren’t part of your religion.
  4. How you live your life depends on the choices you make…thats right, choices. Religion doesn’t dictate that you must live your life a certain way. It gives you guidelines and you choose whether you follow them or not.
  5. How you dress…again a choice. You can follow the guidelines or you don’t…completely up to the individual and what they are trying to portray with their outward appearence.
Hope that clarify’s somethings…if not, argue some more!!!
 
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rayne89:
I’m a man with long hair down to mid-back,…
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Now you’ve got me confused. Your public profile says you’re a woman (full-time mom). :confused:

Paul
 
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