Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

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If I had achoice, I wouldn’t vote for anyone. But in view of the fact that such a thing would be tacit endorsement of the winner good or bad, I would vote for the anti-abortion, anti same sex “marriage” candidate. I don’t really like the Republicans views on the poor, but anti abortion’s a deal maker. Some issues are weightier than others.
 
josephback said:
If I had achoice, I wouldn’t vote for anyone. But in view of the fact that such a thing would be tacit endorsement of the winner good or bad, I would vote for the anti-abortion, anti same sex “marriage” candidate. I don’t really like the Republicans views on the poor, but anti abortion’s a deal maker. Some issues are weightier than others.
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I agree…yet I do wonder, what specific GOP planks do you think are anti-poor (I never have understood that and I think it is a left progated myth that the GOP hates the poor).
 
josephback said:
If I had achoice, I wouldn’t vote for anyone. But in view of the fact that such a thing would be tacit endorsement of the winner good or bad, I would vote for the anti-abortion, anti same sex “marriage” candidate. I don’t really like the Republicans views on the poor, but anti abortion’s a deal maker. Some issues are weightier than others.
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Most republicans believe that the help for the poor is a personal moral obligation that is most appropriately dispensed locally by charitable organizations. Just because they don’t subscribe to big, cookie-cutter, one size fits all federal entitlements does not mean that they want grandma to eat cat food in a ditch while the CEO of SuperCorp has to decide which color Lambourghini goes best with his shoes on a particular day.
 
josephback said:
If I had achoice, I wouldn’t vote for anyone. But in view of the fact that such a thing would be tacit endorsement of the winner good or bad, I would vote for the anti-abortion, anti same sex “marriage” candidate. I don’t really like the Republicans views on the poor, but anti abortion’s a deal maker. Some issues are weightier than others.
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You might also consider the fact that when it comes to the truly poor, the ones who cannot get themselves out of it, there is absolutely no difference between the Democrat approach and the Republican approach, and hasn’t been for several administrations.
 
estesbob said:
I am always somewhat amazed that a Catholic(or anyone else) would need the Church to point out to them that we can not support pro-abortion canidates.
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Frustrating. I find it sad that this needs too be pointed out to Catholics.
 
Estesbob,

You created that phrase…you get the credit…now go get the bumper stickers and plaques made! 🙂 🙂 🙂
 
FromTheAshes777 said:
absolutely! this is so true.
we need to pray, vote, and pray some more…God help us.
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Yes, and let’s plead for Our Lady’s help and for help from the Holy Souls in Purgatory. This is a spiritual battle, which becomes obvious when we see how spiritually blind otherwise good people are regarding abortion.
 
estesbob said:
Pope Benedict specifically stated that support for the Iraq war or the desth penalty was not a proportionate reason that would allow a Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion canidate.

Abortion is genocide in that is takes the lives of a disprportionate number of Black children. In fact the primary provider of abortions in this country was founded on the premise that the births of black children needed be limited
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You keep quoting the Pope as making this statement, but I have never seen it. Can you provide a reference?
 
TMC said:
You keep quoting the Pope as making this statement, but I have never seen it. Can you provide a reference?
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*While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
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estesbob said:
*While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
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Where in that statement does the Pope say anything about voting, about the Iraq war or about a voter’s decison to weigh various evils and other issues before voting? I believe this is a statement that he wrote as a Cardinal that related to the bishops’ authority to correct polticians, right?

Your claim was that “Pope Benedict **specifically stated **that support for the Iraq war or the desth penalty was not a proportionate reason that would allow a Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion canidate” This quote is none of those things. I suppose you could argue that your point could be a logical extension of the quote you provided - and many would argue it is not. There is no question that it is not a specific statement of the point you are trying to make.
 
TMC said:
Where in that statement does the Pope say anything about voting, about the Iraq war or about a voter’s decison to weigh various evils and other issues before voting? I believe this is a statement that he wrote as a Cardinal that related to the bishops’ authority to correct polticians, right?

Your claim was that “Pope Benedict **specifically stated **that support for the Iraq war or the desth penalty was not a proportionate reason that would allow a Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion canidate” This quote is none of those things. I suppose you could argue that your point could be a logical extension of the quote you provided - and many would argue it is not. There is no question that it is not a specific statement of the point you are trying to make.
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Perhaps YOU should ask why you want the unborn to continue being legally killed (if you do)?

Clever arguments only make you appear to be be quite to the plight of those being killed.

I wonder, if the Pope made a similar statement during Holocaust days, would you find a clever and fancy “loophole” to justify the continued slaughter of the Jews?

I grow quite sick of these fancy justifying arguments that do nothing but keep the killing going.
 
TMC said:
Where in that statement does the Pope say anything about voting, about the Iraq war or about a voter’s decison to weigh various evils and other issues before voting? I believe this is a statement that he wrote as a Cardinal that related to the bishops’ authority to correct polticians, right?

Your claim was that “Pope Benedict **specifically stated **that support for the Iraq war or the desth penalty was not a proportionate reason that would allow a Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion canidate” This quote is none of those things. I suppose you could argue that your point could be a logical extension of the quote you provided - and many would argue it is not. There is no question that it is not a specific statement of the point you are trying to make.
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You can lead a horse to water but you cany make them drink…

The Popes statement is crystal clear -except for those Catholics trying to rationalize supprting pro-abortion cnaoidates.
 
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