Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

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Alexander_Smith said:
That doesn’t make any sense. You’re not doing anyone any good by not voting at all. If somebody is going to win, you may as well vote for the one who will likely do the least evil. Not voting is unacceptable.
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  1. Not voting in any particular race is acceptable to the Church. The Church tells us that we must participate in voting; it says nothing about the races we must or must not participate in.
  2. I reject the “bandwagon” approach to voting.
  3. There is nothing wrong in voting for parties that are unlikely to win. There’s such a thing as voting on principle.
 
antonivs said:
I want a President who will fight Abortion at the federal level, not remain neutral and leave it up to the states. If you leave Abortion legal anywhere, then women could travel to states where it is allowed to kill their babies.
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While i agree that the overall goal is a ban of legalized abortion, I am not so naive to think that it can be done with one fell swoop.

If states are allowed to decide for themselves, it will be about a 50/50 split between legal and non legal.

Once it is illegal in various areas, then judges appointed in those states will more likely be against it. Once that happens it is only a matter of time till the supreme court overturns Roe v Wade.

Basically, using the same strategy the gay marriage groups are using, except this one will have a positive result.

I feel that the Supreme Court will NEVER overturn Roe v Wade if abortion is not banned in many states first. The public pressure would be too much to risk its overturn
 
mary_bobo said:
Could it be, dear Rich, that thou art too quick to criticize the GOP?🙂
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Not at all, Mary. The GOP didn’t put up the poll; Gilliam did, and my wrongful and careless accusation at his having forgotten to list our beloved President was not at all directed at the Grand Old Party. The fault was all mine and I acknowledged it. :).
 
Redratfish said:
I feel that the Supreme Court will NEVER overturn Roe v Wade if abortion is not banned in many states first. The public pressure would be too much to risk its overturn
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It’s the other way around. The states cannot ban abortion because Roe v Wade will not allow it. When it is overturned, THEN the states can either outlaw it or allow it. There will be states on both sides of the issue. Like capital punishment - some states allow it, some forbid it.
 
antonivs said:
I want a President who will fight Abortion at the federal level, not remain neutral and leave it up to the states. If you leave Abortion legal anywhere, then women could travel to states where it is allowed to kill their babies.
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True, yet as with most things in life if making abortion illegal grabs firm roots in some states, then it might very take hold in all states. Yet, even if it does not those states can at least offer pro-life people a pro-life place to live.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
It’s the other way around. The states cannot ban abortion because Roe v Wade will not allow it. When it is overturned, THEN the states can either outlaw it or allow it. There will be states on both sides of the issue. Like capital punishment - some states allow it, some forbid it.
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Exactly. Roe V. Wade must be overturned first.
 
I am hoping Rick Perry enters the race, and will hold back any thoughts of who I might vote for until such time he enters or definitively states he will not enter.

We need someone who will fight against legal abortion and will protect traditional marriage…those two issues alone are dragging this nation down into the abyss…imo.
 
buffalo said:
I guess it’s time once again to trot out the Catholic Voters Guide.
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I looked over this document and find no indication anywhere in it that it was authorized by any Catholic Bishop, Catholic conference, or the USCCB.

“During election years, there may be many handouts and voter guides that are produced and distributed. We encourage Catholics to seek those resources that are authorized by their own bishops, their state Catholic conferences, and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.” - Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship, p. 8, USCCB

If you would provide the name or names of the Bishops who authorized this guide, I will be happy to read it and take it’s advice under consideration.
 
I guess I would pick Newt Gingrich… But I would much prefer Jeb Bush or Bobby Jindal and wish they would run.
 
bellasbane said:
I looked over this document and find no indication anywhere in it that it was authorized by any Catholic Bishop, Catholic conference, or the USCCB.

“During election years, there may be many handouts and voter guides that are produced and distributed. We encourage Catholics to seek those resources that are authorized by their own bishops, their state Catholic conferences, and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.” - Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship, p. 8, USCCB

If you would provide the name or names of the Bishops who authorized this guide, I will be happy to read it and take it’s advice under consideration.
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In this context, it must be noted also that a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program or an individual law which contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals. – (CDF DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding The Participation of Catholics in Political Life, 4)

The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is “never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it” – (John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, 73).

“When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral” – (CDF Considerations regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions between Homosexual Persons, 10).

According to Catholic teaching:

Pro abortion candidate? Out.
Pro same sex marriage candidate? Out.
 
bellasbane said:
I looked over this document and find no indication anywhere in it that it was authorized by any Catholic Bishop, Catholic conference, or the USCCB.

“During election years, there may be many handouts and voter guides that are produced and distributed. We encourage Catholics to seek those resources that are authorized by their own bishops, their state Catholic conferences, and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.” - Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship, p. 8, USCCB

If you would provide the name or names of the Bishops who authorized this guide, I will be happy to read it and take it’s advice under consideration.
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I knew it.

Which references in the guide do you deem not official?
 
buffalo said:
I knew it.

Which references in the guide do you deem not official?
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I repeat:

I looked over this document and find no indication anywhere in it that it was authorized by any Catholic Bishop, Catholic conference, or the USCCB.

I am a serious Catholic, which means I take the advice of my Bishops seriously, and my Bishops advise me to seek out voter guides that have been authorized by a Catholic Bishop, Catholic conference, or the USCCB - so what’s the problem?

If you can provide me with the authorization from any of the above for this guide, I would be happy to read it. Otherwise, I would not be following the advise of my Bishops.
 
bellasbane said:
I repeat:

I looked over this document and find no indication anywhere in it that it was authorized by any Catholic Bishop, Catholic conference, or the USCCB.

I am a serious Catholic, which means I take the advice of my Bishops seriously, and my Bishops advise me to seek out voter guides that have been authorized by a Catholic Bishop, Catholic conference, or the USCCB - so what’s the problem?

If you can provide me with the authorization from any of the above for this guide, I would be happy to read it. Otherwise, I would not be following the advise of my Bishops.
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Your Bishop said to ignore these references?

CCC *Catechism of the Catholic Church *
CPL Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, *Doctrinal Notes on Some Questions regarding the Participation of Catholics in Political Life *
CRF Pontifical Council for the Family, *Charter of the Rights of the Family *
EV John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life)
RHL Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, *Instruction on Respect for Human Life in Its Origin and on the Dignity of Procreation *
UHP Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, *Considerations regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions between Homosexual Persons *
 
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