Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

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MarysGirls said:
All too true… 😦

I, for one, am not a very political person. I claim to be neither Democratic nor Republican, and I have trouble telling the difference between the two most of the time. If I had to choose, I guess I would be Republican (no biting my head off now, Democrats! ;))
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Not at all! We always give new Republicans a 500 yard head start before we come after them with the dogs. 🙂
But, I am a bit new to politics, and, as I’ve said before, could be wrong.
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If you’ve thought about it sincerely, and decided to follow the Republicans, that’s fine, though we Dems might be gritting our teeth. 😃
 
JHow said:
Did somebody delete the wiki article you linked to? It looks like its all covered in a red box? :confused:
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The page is still there. Just do a google search for:
democrat party wikipedia

and select “Democrat Party (phrase) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia”
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Not at all, Mary. We are blacks, and whites, and Hispanics, and gays, and working men and women. We’re the party of Everyman and Everywoman. Wouldn’t think of being anything else but a part of it. 🙂 🙂
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I meant that if you do not walk in lock-step with the party leaders, you get nowhere in the party. You notice that we have a Congressional Black Causus, but how many conservative black members of Congress have they welcomed into their midst? And how many of the members of Congress vote against their party? Not many, I proffer.
 
mary_bobo said:
I meant that if you do not walk in lock-step with the party leaders, you get nowhere in the party. You notice that we have a Congressional Black Causus, but how many conservative black members of Congress have they welcomed into their midst? And how many of the members of Congress vote against their party? Not many, I proffer.
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True, but is it any different among loyal Republican congressmen? No, they tend to vote together because the party wants to show unity and solidarity, /that goes for all politicians. Congress doesn’t have several hundred loose cannons.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Not at all, Mary. We are blacks, and whites, and Hispanics, and gays, and working men and women. We’re the party of Everyman and Everywoman. Wouldn’t think of being anything else but a part of it. 🙂 🙂
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Just like ther Republican Party and the Libertarian Party…👍
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
True, but is it any different among loyal Republican congressmen? No, they tend to vote together because the party wants to show unity and solidarity, /that goes for all politicians. Congress doesn’t have several hundred loose cannons.
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Unfortunately 😦 Wouldn’t it be great if we had 535 independent, rational thinkers who were loyal to the needs of their constituents, rather than to a party ideology?
 
MarieO2 said:
That could read Vote Democrate also. A Catholic is suppose to vote to the best of their ability to help the country. Killing the unborn is no help at all.
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It isn’t even helpful in a purely secular sense. I read in another thread where Russia, with a child per woman ratio of about 1.2 is considering strong limitations on abortion in order to ward off the population collapse that is otherwise clearly in the cards. Among persons born in the U.S., the rate is 1.8; better, but still below replacement. If one adds immigrants, it’s barely at replacement.
 
Big_Ro said:
Artful dodge. I have no way of proving or disproving your assertion. I’m am not a member of the Party. I just feel that forum rules should apply evenly to all. I would be as taken aback by someone using some of the oft used epithets for Republicans. I will give you the benefit of the doubt as a fellow Catholic and memebr of these forums, but I am not pursuaded by your assertion. Love and respect.
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“Artful dodge”??? You “give me the benefit of the doubt” but call me a liar anyway. Goodness, Ro. Not terribly becoming.

But for you and for Antonivs, let me say that it is of no consequence to me whether people believe my reasons for saying “Democrat party” or not. People can put whatever they want on “Wikipedia”, but I know what I know. Other than perhaps Rich O (and perhaps not him) I doubt anyone in this thread has, in his lifetime, done more work for the Democrat party than I have.

I really did love the party once, and believe in it, before it became what it is now.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
True, but is it any different among loyal Republican congressmen? No, they tend to vote together because the party wants to show unity and solidarity, /that goes for all politicians. Congress doesn’t have several hundred loose cannons.
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There really was a time when it was not uncommon for Congressional Dems and Repubs to work together. That was, at least to my recollection whatever that’s worth, also an era in which “grass roots” organization, and politician reliance on it, was much more prevalent. I well remember when that shifted to much greater centralization within the parties, much more reliance on media “one liners”, talking points, massive fundraising and outright propaganda. The political parties were once a great deal better connected to the people than they are now, and I can’t prove, but do think, that was more conducive to inter-party cooperation than is now the case.

But I will also say that not so terribly many years ago, there was not as stark a contrast between the parties as there is now. It has grown over the years, and ideological purity is expected by both parties.

For Catholics, I think, it’s to be lamented. It was once said that the 21st Century would be the “Catholic Century” because Catholics had grown so in numbers, prosperity and potential influence that it was believed the Catholic influence on the political process would lead to a political acceptance of Catholic values and mores, with programs and policies that would reflect them, regardless of particular party affiliations.

Unfortunately, that was based on the assumption that Catholics would remain faithful to the teachings of the Church. That has not turned out to be the case; to some degree due to the fact that so many Catholics are simply ignorant of the teachings of the Church and the fact some have become, by their wayward conduct and self-formation, invested in policies that are very much contrary to those teachings.

But, only one party supports abortion on demand so earnestly that it has required devotion to it as an ideological absolute. To support that party is to support abortion, no matter how anyone wants to rationalize it. And for that reason, I can no longer support any Democrat politician, but feel obliged in conscience to oppose them as effectively as I am able to do.
 
Ridgerunner said:
There really was a time when it was not uncommon for Congressional Dems and Repubs to work together. That was, at least to my recollection whatever that’s worth, also an era in which “grass roots” organization, and politician reliance on it, was much more prevalent. I well remember when that shifted to much greater centralization within the parties, much more reliance on media “one liners”, talking points, massive fundraising and outright propaganda. The political parties were once a great deal better connected to the people than they are now, and I can’t prove, but do think, that was more conducive to inter-party cooperation than is now the case.

But I will also say that not so terribly many years ago, there was not as stark a contrast between the parties as there is now. It has grown over the years, and ideological purity is expected by both parties.

For Catholics, I think, it’s to be lamented. It was once said that the 21st Century would be the “Catholic Century” because Catholics had grown so in numbers, prosperity and potential influence that it was believed the Catholic influence on the political process would lead to a political acceptance of Catholic values and mores, with programs and policies that would reflect them, regardless of particular party affiliations.

Unfortunately, that was based on the assumption that Catholics would remain faithful to the teachings of the Church. That has not turned out to be the case; to some degree due to the fact that so many Catholics are simply ignorant of the teachings of the Church and the fact some have become, by their wayward conduct and self-formation, invested in policies that are very much contrary to those teachings.

But, only one party supports abortion on demand so earnestly that it has required devotion to it as an ideological absolute. To support that party is to support abortion, no matter how anyone wants to rationalize it. And for that reason, I can no longer support any Democrat politician, but feel obliged in conscience to oppose them as effectively as I am able to do.
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Well said:thumbsup:
 
Big_Ro said:
There is no such thing as the Democrat Party. this is an insulting formulation of the correct name Democratic Party. It’s name calling and uncharitable.
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Political correctness run amok. Of all the names that people think are insulting, this has got to be the most inane, insipid and piddling complaint I have ever seen. I will not use the term so as not to hurt any feelings, but Gee Whiz!!!:confused:
 
Ridgerunner said:
It isn’t even helpful in a purely secular sense. I read in another thread where Russia, with a child per woman ratio of about 1.2 is considering strong limitations on abortion in order to ward off the population collapse that is otherwise clearly in the cards. Among persons born in the U.S., the rate is 1.8; better, but still below replacement. If one adds immigrants, it’s barely at replacement.
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yes! It’s a mess. I am neither Dem nor Republican. We had a great pro-life Dem in our state who got waxed in the last election.😦 Wish their were more of them to keep balance. It takes knowing the candidtes of both parties and voting on the local and state level to help this country. Sadly, many people vote party line.😦
 
JHow said:
I always thought that it was the “Democratic Party” (adj.), but the politician, candidate, party member is a “Democrat” (noun). I have heard both “Democratic Party” and “Democrat Party”, but did not interpret the latter as a slur.
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Democrat is the noun… Democratic is an adjective. Whatever they wish to call themselves, they support abortion with a vengeance. " A Rose…"…aww forget it.🤷
 
pismopal said:
Democrat is the noun… Democratic is an adjective. Whatever they wish to call themselves, they support abortion with a vengeance. " A Rose…"…aww forget it.🤷
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Right, the Republican Party is full of Republicans, the Libertarian Party is full of Libertarians, and the Democrat Party is full of Democrats. What is the problem?
 
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