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elt1956
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So Christ first gave the Eucharist to the 72 Disciples, not the 12 Apostles??? Just asking.
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piouswoman
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Slow down and read what I wrote again.
“…and from them chose twelve Apostles”
Any more questions, refer to the Catechism.
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MrS
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Christ chose 12 Apostles… period
The disciples were those who chose to follow Him…not called as Apostles.
And only 2 of them were eligible to take the place of Judas.
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laudamus_te
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The Ordinary Form, as has been demonstrated, allows for clowns or tamborines. The Traditional Latin Mass, i.e. the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, does not.
You may not have seen a clown or tamborine at Mass, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. It does. And only once is one time too many.
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Digitonomy
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What rules prevent the use of tambourines?
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piouswoman
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Not according to the Baltimore Catechism where I took the facts. You have all denied truth.
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pnewton
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Where in the GIRM does it permit clown vestments?
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Ann_Stanton
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All Masses are of equal value. Novus Ordo Masses are reverent. Some of the members writing in this thread are not acting like a follower of Jesus. He loved all men and did not put them down for not praying in Latin. Perhaps the moderators need to close this thread in order to help all members to act as if they believed in the love of the Trinity.
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pnewton
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Really? I did not know that the Catholic Church had a teaching on that. It is not a big deal, but I am curious enough to look into it.
I am also not surprised that you chose to insult one more time. It seems to be unavoidable with you to insult or slander people. Is that permitted by the Baltimore Catechism, or the 1913 Code of Canon Law?
I will not deny any truth. I will look it up and if that is what the Church teaches, I will believe it, even if I have to reconcile my understanding of the biblical chronology.
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MrS
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Gospel of Mark, Chapter 1:
9 In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens opened and the Spirit descending upon him like a dove; 11 and a voice came from heaven, “Thou art my beloved Son; with thee I am well pleased.” 12 The Spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. 13 And he was in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan; and he was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered to him. 14 Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel.” 16 And passing along by the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew the brother of Simon casting a net in the sea; for they were fishermen. 17 And Jesus said to them, “Follow me and I will make you become fishers of men.” 18 And immediately they left their nets and followed him. 19 And going on a little farther, he saw James the son of Zeb’edee and John his brother, who were in their boat mending the nets. 20 And immediately he called them; and they left their father Zeb’edee in the boat with the hired servants, and followed him.
First course of business… choosing the Apostles… no record of Him choosing from any Disciples…
We now return to our regularly scheduled thread topic.
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piouswoman
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Be my guest, to help you along here is the info:
catholicbook.com/AgredaCD/MyCatholicFaith/Contents.htm
Go to chapter 33, The Public Life of Jesus Christ, click on it and then scroll down to the question: What was Christ’s aim in His Public life? What I quoted is right there.
You can buy the catechism here:
allcatholicbooks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=ACB&Product_Code=A25x14&Category_Code=
All material from A Catechism of Christian Doctrine, NO. 3 revised Edition of the Baltimore Catechism, and from the 1941 translation of the New Testament is reproduced in this book with the permission of the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, Washington, D.C.
Why do you confuse speaking the truth with insult or slander? That is not right.
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pnewton
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I understand that it states that in the Baltimore catechism. I am going to have to find out what that 72 means. After all, Jesus sent out the seventy in Luke 10 and choose them after the twelve.
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pnewton
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I understand the difference. I seldom see you speak the objective truth. You do little but beg the question, which is what the above statement does.
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ghost8108
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I love watching the younger members of our parish, who normally attend the NO check out the Latin Mass for the first time, they really enjoy the beauty of the Mass. It really makes me feel even better when I see them return week after week.
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rick_cop
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I don’t think it is necessary to have a TLM at every parish. In South Bend Indiana, for instance, there are 16 Catholic parishes in 40 square miles with over 107,000 people. Within 15 minutes of my house, and most houses, there are three Catholic Churches. My old pastor said the TLM and there was less then 30 families attending for the whole city of South Bend. It should be offered based on the demographics of an area.
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colleensarah
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The phrasing of the poll forced me to select “no”.
YES, I would love to see an EF Mass in every single parish.
NO, I do not think it ought to be a requirement. The desire for the traditional form of the Mass is something that springs up organically in the hearts of individuals who desire to be more connected with the past and to love God with more reverence in the Holy Sacrifice.
Also, keep in mind that there are more forms of the Mass than just the EF and OF. Should we require all parishes to offer Maronite or Ambrosian Rite Masses? All valid forms of the Mass are extraordinary simply in the fact that God humbles Himself once again for us to receive Him. I greatly prefer the EF, but I think the call for the spread of this form of the Mass needs to happen on its own, from the laity, rather than by declaration of the bishops.
This is why I am so grateful to the Holy Father for opening up the EF for use by any group of people who demand it, without forcing it upon anyone.
A final thought: If such a requirement were to be enacted, where would all the priests who know how to celebrate the EF suddenly appear from? I am 100% in favor or requiring all seminarians to learn both the EF and OF in seminary, but until most priests once again know how to celebrate the EF correctly, we’d be seeing a lot of cranky 60’s priests improperly offering the Mass, which is good for no one in the Church.
YES, I would love to see an EF Mass in every single parish.
NO, I do not think it ought to be a requirement. The desire for the traditional form of the Mass is something that springs up organically in the hearts of individuals who desire to be more connected with the past and to love God with more reverence in the Holy Sacrifice.
Also, keep in mind that there are more forms of the Mass than just the EF and OF. Should we require all parishes to offer Maronite or Ambrosian Rite Masses? All valid forms of the Mass are extraordinary simply in the fact that God humbles Himself once again for us to receive Him. I greatly prefer the EF, but I think the call for the spread of this form of the Mass needs to happen on its own, from the laity, rather than by declaration of the bishops.
This is why I am so grateful to the Holy Father for opening up the EF for use by any group of people who demand it, without forcing it upon anyone.
A final thought: If such a requirement were to be enacted, where would all the priests who know how to celebrate the EF suddenly appear from? I am 100% in favor or requiring all seminarians to learn both the EF and OF in seminary, but until most priests once again know how to celebrate the EF correctly, we’d be seeing a lot of cranky 60’s priests improperly offering the Mass, which is good for no one in the Church.
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wisdomseeker
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I know I would be very happy and would go every day if God allowed me to. I know that right now going to Mass with all the bad music and birthday singing and people stretching their hands and holding hands is very discouraging to me. it has come to the point that going to Mass causes me anxiety instead of joy. When I go to TML, i have peace and joy. I wish we could have one here.
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