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Elf01
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If that’s what you need to tell yourself.
I don’t know of any religion that would require abortion to be legal except for life of the mother though. And that is abortion legislation I would probably support.
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I don’t know of any religion that would require abortion to be legal except for life of the mother though. And that is abortion legislation I would probably support.
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Erikaspirit16
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We’re off topic. So this is my last response to this, which we’ve been over ad nauseum.
You don’t know of any religions that allow abortion (“require” is a loaded word)?
Try these: Hindusim, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, a lot of Protestant denominations, Shinto, Confucianism…shall I go on? And, as I’ve pointed out in the past, although Catholicism always considered abortion to be a bad thing, it did NOT always consider it murder except after a certain point (movement in the womb). Before that point it was considered a sin against the rights of the father. Until 1867. Canon Law. Accepted by Augustine, Aquinas, Jerome, Pope Innocent III. End of discussion.
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jeannetherese
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It becomes problematical when these rights you are defending involve the right of human sacrifice.
Is there a victim age at which you consider human sacrifice for religious (or other reasons) to be unacceptable?
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Elf01
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I said require. Unless it’s required laws against abortion don’t violate religious liberty.
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1cthlctrth
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February 2 article regarding Trump’s January 31st actions:
President Donald Trump has taken tough steps to protect Americans from the spread of the coronavirus rampaging through China.
In an order issued Friday, federal officials announced that as of 5 p.m. Sunday, “Foreign nationals other than immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents who have traveled in China in the last 14 days will be denied entry into United States.”
American citizens returning the U.S. from areas in China where they may have been exposed to the virus will be quarantined, while others coming from the rest of China will be screened for the virus.
Earlier Friday, officials said Americans who evacuated from Wuhan earlier in the week would be quarantined for up to 14 days at March Air Reserve Base in California — the first mandatory quarantine order in the U.S. in 50 years, according to NPR.
Within days after Trump’s actions, several New York City (the epicenter of covid-19) leaders like de Blasio, Kavanaugh, Liu, and HEALTH leaders Barbot and Levine were encouraging large crowds to get together.
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phaster
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there is a big difference people need to understand comparing the US dollar (at this current moment in time) and the hyper inflation seen in Germany post WWI by the “Papiermark”
the difference is the dollar is the global reserve currency, meaning all contracts for oil are denominated in dollars
having said that, what is of concern to economists is the idea of loss of confidence in a fiat currency system
truth be told what has slowly been eroding the US dollar is politicians giving away more credit than the system was able to sustain
for example when I learned pensions debt obligations were off balance sheet, which means they were not accounted for, this for decades is why the standing of living for the average person in the USA has been declining
to give ya a current example seems my home town uses the same portfolio management idea as Detroit (which went bankrupt a few years back)
this long term fiscal mismanagement is going to really suck because eventually various problems by no talent career politicians (like in my home town for example)
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have swept financial and other mismanagement problems under the carpet so often and for so long,… that eventually problems grow so big they combine for a perfect storm
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phaster
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sigh,… the idea of lawsuits over covid-19 social distancing, is dumb IMHO!!!
as I see things its akin to a lawsuit that says firefighters have no business telling people to get out of an area where there are conflagrations
just as firefighters tell people an area is unsafe where an inferno is raging, people should listen to medical experts who have years of experience fighting off infections,… the idea in both cases to to save lives
bottom line,… its best to ignore quack advice
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1cthlctrth
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I agree. We have to be careful that we don’t lose America in a tunnel vision fight against covid-19. And we must watch for those who are using covid-19 as an excuse to enact extremist totalitarianism and a social state.
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3401416/posts
How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.
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How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.
- Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people.
- Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
- Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
- Gun Control- Remove the ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.
- Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
- Education - Take control of what people read and listen to - take control of what children learn in school.
- Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the government and schools.
- Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
Does any of this sound like what is happening in certain locked-down states right now, with the leftist media cheering them on?
Alinsky (who dedicated his book to Lucifer) merely simplified Vladimir Lenin’s original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as “Useful Idiots.”
The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.
“It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.”
LeafByNiggle
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The quotes are fake. They are not the words of Saul Alinksy. (Google: “Saul alinsky - how to create a social state”)
If you want real Saul Alinsky quotes, find them here.
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JoeFreedom
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I think everyone who doesn’t believe that what the progressive left is doing should watch “A Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing”.
And whether or not Norman Thomas actually stated: The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program.", this is fundamentally true. This is why progressives need to change the meaning of words, like “marriage” to redefine them so they are more broad and acceptable to the masses to be inclusive of homosexual unions and other immoral unions.
There were many Catholic priests that fell for Alinsky’s tactics because helping the poor is a noble thing but want he wanted as the ultimate end has no place in a free or Christian society. Most people are sheep and do not understand they are being used to serve evil purposes.
And whether or not Norman Thomas actually stated: The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program.", this is fundamentally true. This is why progressives need to change the meaning of words, like “marriage” to redefine them so they are more broad and acceptable to the masses to be inclusive of homosexual unions and other immoral unions.
There were many Catholic priests that fell for Alinsky’s tactics because helping the poor is a noble thing but want he wanted as the ultimate end has no place in a free or Christian society. Most people are sheep and do not understand they are being used to serve evil purposes.
LeafByNiggle
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Which tactics were those? The fake quotes that @1cthlctrth posted?
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HarryStotle
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So you are advocating for any nation to basically “cut off” its own citizens from being repatriated when they are ill?
When human beings are sick, they ought simply be left to their own devices?
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HarryStotle
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As usual, you are deflecting from the point. @1cthlctrth didn’t make a claim that those were “direct quotes” from Alinsky. I believe the point was that Alinsky outlined, in his work, those eight levels of control that are required before properly initiating a socialist state.1cthlctrth:
The quotes are fake. They are not the words of Saul Alinksy. (Google: “Saul alinsky - how to create a social state”)
If you want real Saul Alinsky quotes, find them here.
Rather than calling those “quotes” — which weren’t even purported to be quotes — FAKE, why not address the point directly? Nah, far easier to waylay the argument by some vague gesturing regarding “actual quotes” so that the real point need not be addressed at all.
Are you insisting that the “eight levels of control” cited by @1cthlctrth are not at all attributable to Alinsky? That those points misrepresent Alinsky? Why not directly take on the post, then, and show why they are not what Alinsky proposed?
Actually, the eight points appear to be current Democrat talking points, and precisely the kind of control over citizens that people like AOC, Sanders, Pelosi, HRC, Warren, and even Biden, would fully endorse.
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otjm
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Give that gentleman the grand prize and a round of applause for the understatement of the week.
Or month.
What the heck, for the whole year.
When a domino in line gest ticked over, other dominoes commence to fall, forthwith.
A whole lot of law firms are going to be doing a land office business in bankruptcies.
Not all dominoes are standing in the same line; but businesses which rent property owe the landlord, who likely has a mortgage. If the landlord is still dealing directly with the bank which loaned him the money, the bank may be able to “float” the landlord for some time; and the landlord may be able to pay some or all of the mortgage. payments until tenants start renting again.
Or the mortgage may have been sold. The, it is likely there is a mortgage processor in between the landlord and whoever holds the paper. The processor most likely is going to go bankrupt, not necessarily because of this landlord, but because of other payers failing; most processors survive on constant cash flow and do not have the financial backing to survive such a drop.
Back to the tenant; they likely do not have the resources to ride this out either; so they may rent their living space (another landlord) or have a house with a mortgage. So the tenant may need to file two bankruptcies; one business and one personal.
And this will cascade through the system in a somewhat random fashion. Some of the big, mainline stores like Macy’s and J.C, Penney may file for bankruptcy; they may cash out and disappear, or they may reorganize their debt and try to soldier on.
Something like 70% of GDP is dependent on consumers. With 30,000,000 people out of work, there goes a chunk of consumers and the Pollyannas seem to think they will all be back and employed by next year.
Maybe that group will be interested in some ocean front property I have for sale in Arizona. :crazy_face:
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JoeFreedom
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Watch “Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing”.
LeafByNiggle
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But the point was based on a lie. Surely it is not a deflection to point that out.LeafByNiggle:
As usual, you are deflecting from the point.1cthlctrth:
The quotes are fake. They are not the words of Saul Alinksy. (Google: “Saul alinsky - how to create a social state”)
If you want real Saul Alinsky quotes, find them here.
They were far from quotes. They were complete fabrications.
As I said, the point is based on a lie. There is nothing to address.
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That is absurd! The claim was made that Alinsky said something like that. It is not up to me to find everything Alinsky every wrote and prove those points are not in there. That would be the impossible “proving the negative”. On the contrary, the burden is on 1cthlctrth to show that it is attributable to Alinksy.
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3 million more victims of the Governors’ covid-19-related business shutdowns:
New data from the Department of Labor released Thursday show more than 3.2 million people filed new jobless claims as the economic destruction over pandemic panic continues to take its devastating toll.
That brings total new unemployment claims to more than 33 million, where one in five American workers in the labor market have filed for first-time benefits since mid-March lockdowns.
This economic catastrophe after several months in a row of unemployment numbers at their best in 49 years, ending in February 2020.
A teachable moment: businesses are forced to close, workers lose their jobs, owners lose their livelihood. Lives are destroyed.
New data from the Department of Labor released Thursday show more than 3.2 million people filed new jobless claims as the economic destruction over pandemic panic continues to take its devastating toll.
That brings total new unemployment claims to more than 33 million, where one in five American workers in the labor market have filed for first-time benefits since mid-March lockdowns.
This economic catastrophe after several months in a row of unemployment numbers at their best in 49 years, ending in February 2020.
A teachable moment: businesses are forced to close, workers lose their jobs, owners lose their livelihood. Lives are destroyed.
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Humility
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You are just as morally responsible for deliberately taking a human life as you are through willful inaction when you know the alternative would be its likely demise.
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1cthlctrth
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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that “66 percent of the people” recently hospitalized for the coronavirus “were at home, which is shocking to us.”
“They’re not working; they’re not traveling,” he said. “We were thinking that maybe we were going to find a higher percent of essential employees who were getting sick because they were going to work — that these may be nurses, doctors, transit workers. That’s not the case. They were predominantly at home.”
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