Who's Going to Pay the Bills?: Purpose-Driven Coronavirus Business Shutdowns Cause Economic Catastrophe

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Right now I am laid off and have no healthcare coverage.

I do not feel well right now and I really hope it’s not COVID.

I have inquired around and they ask for proof of insurance which I don’t have. So I can’t get tested since I don’t have insurance.

If someone gets diagnosed as positive they have to pay for the treatment. I think it’s going to be expensive.
 
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Sarcelle said:
Right now I am laid off and have no healthcare coverage.

I do not feel well right now and I really hope it’s not COVID.

I have inquired around and they ask for proof of insurance which I don’t have. So I can’t get tested since I don’t have insurance.

If someone gets diagnosed as positive they have to pay for the treatment. I think it’s going to be expensive.
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That makes no sense. How can you defeat this if people can’t get tested? And there’d be a natural tendency not to get tested because one couldn’t afford the treatment.

I hope you feel better soon. Stay safe.
 
Freddy said:
And there’d be a natural tendency not to get tested because one couldn’t afford the treatment.
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Which is why I say that the actual number of infections are a lot higher than the official numbers. It’s a deadly combination of the disease itself and the inability of people to get diagnosed and get treatment because they’re unemployed and can’t afford it.
 
Sarcelle said:
Which is why I say that the actual number of infections are a lot higher than the official numbers. It’s a deadly combination of the disease itself and the inability of people to get diagnosed and get treatment because they’re unemployed and can’t afford it.
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It doesn’t help Trump asked to slow down testing cause the rising numbers make him look bad.

Cause ya know, the virus is a left wing conspiracy to ruin the election.
 
Freddy said:
Florida has three times the population and it’s just had 15,000 .

That figure makes zero sense to me. If it was a third world country with almost no access to testing, no means to pass on medical information and recommendations as to how to avoid catching it or no ability to track cases then it would still be barely believable.

Has anyone got an answer for why the figures are off the chart?
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Hi Freddy,
The BBC has an article addressing your question.
Here are a couple of quotes, followed by a link to the article:
"Younger Americans have been blamed for surges across the country, and particularly in Florida, where most new cases are from those under age 30 on the heels of summertime weather and national holidays.

The median age of infections in Miami-Dade County, the state’s most populous region, is 40. In Tallahassee, the median recently hit a low of 25 years old."
“A lack of early testing of asymptomatic individuals plus weeks of civil unrest, between anti-lockdown protesters and marches against racial inequality, have also worsened the situation.”

 
Did Dr. Fauci ever in fact say it was OK to go and sleep with strangers? Let’s be fair, now.

I wouldn’t mind seeing handshakes gone. The fact is, it’s a natural reflex to rub your eyes and pick your nose, and nobody’s going to wear masks or gloves once no longer forced to. (We may be forced to forever, though.) No-one needs the microbes of dozens of others on his hands, just for a tradition.

ICXC NIKA
 
That’s why this country is getting whomped, and is currently under an international quarantine.

Decades of obsession with “self reliance,” with the idea that getting sick is one’s own fault, and that possibly falling into poverty to fight illness is part of “freedom,” has led to the inability to stem a contagious virus because people can’t afford testing or treatment.

We are suffering a 1665 plague because we are politically living in 1665.

ICXC NIKA
 
Bingo.

You said it better than I could.

It’s the “not my problem, so why should I care about others” attitude.

This attitude has been elevated to a virtue here in the US.
 
If you want me to pull the video, he said it with his own lips.

Q . “On the opposite side of that spectrum, people are cooped up, they’re a little stir crazy. If you’re swiping on a dating app like Tinder, or Bumble, or Grindr, and you match with someone that you think is hot, and you’re just kind of like, “Maybe it’s fine if this one stranger comes over.” What do you say to that person?”

Fauci : “You know, that’s tough. Because it’s what’s called relative risk . If you really feel that you don’t want to have any part of this virus, will you maintain six feet away, wear a mask, do all the things that we talk about in the guidelines? If you’re willing to take a risk—and you know, everybody has their own tolerance for risks—you could figure out if you want to meet somebody . And it depends on the level of the interaction that you want to have. If you’re looking for a friend, sit in a room and put a mask on, and you know, chat a bit. If you want to go a little bit more intimate, well, then that’s your choice regarding a risk. The one thing you don’t want to do is make sure the person is feeling well. Even though there’s a lot of asymptomatic infections, that’s one of the things that’s really troublesome. That if everybody transmitted would only transmit when they’re sick, that would be much easier. But what we’re seeing, which becomes really problematic, is that there’s a considerable amount of transmission from an asymptomatic person. And we’ve got well-documented now, you know, that situation on the nuclear carrier, the Roosevelt, USS Roosevelt, where hundreds of sailors have gotten infected from people that were not sick. That’s tough .”

From a previous PSA from Fauci:

Fauci : “I don’t think we should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you. Not only would it be good to prevent coronavirus disease, it probably would decrease instances of influenza dramatically in this country.”

So why is it that people don’t believe that we’ve been lied to and manipulated. These are the very words coming out of his mouth. His is telling us, stay six feet apart (or more), always wear a mask, only go out when necessary, never shake hands again, but hey, if you want to get a piece of action, go for it.
 
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If you want me to pull the video, he said it with his own lips.

Fauci : “You know, that’s tough. Because it’s what’s called relative risk . If you really feel that you don’t want to have any part of this virus, will you maintain six feet away, wear a mask, do all the things that we talk about in the guidelines? If you’re willing to take a risk—and you know, everybody has their own tolerance for risks—you could figure out if you want to meet somebody . And it depends on the level of the interaction that you want to have. If you’re looking for a friend, sit in a room and put a mask on, and you know, chat a bit. If you want to go a little bit more intimate, well, then that’s your choice regarding a risk. The one thing you don’t want to do is make sure the person is feeling well. Even though there’s a lot of asymptomatic infections, that’s one of the things that’s really troublesome. That if everybody transmitted would only transmit when they’re sick, that would be much easier. But what we’re seeing, which becomes really problematic, is that there’s a considerable amount of transmission from an asymptomatic person. And we’ve got well-documented now, you know, that situation on the nuclear carrier, the Roosevelt, USS Roosevelt, where hundreds of sailors have gotten infected from people that were not sick. That’s tough .”
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If you think this is a smoking gun you are mistaken. Fauci is being very guarded with his advice here. Several times he warns about the risks involved. It is totally untrue that this amounts to Fauci telling people it is OK to sleep around.
 
How about then, I follow his advice, that if I want to, in his own words, " If you want to go a little bit more intimate, well, then that’s your choice regarding a risk. go outside in a crowd without a mask, then I WILL.
 
The issue is that Fauci and his ilk have been telling us one thing and doing another and then changing their message and then changing it again. People do not trust them and rightfully so.
 
JoeFreedom said:
The issue is that Fauci and his ilk have been telling us one thing and doing another and then changing their message and then changing it again. People do not trust them and rightfully so.
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It would help if people would stop deliberately reading things in the worst conceivable way and stop to consider what’s being said. Then you might not be so confused about the advise being given.

That you equate an intimate moment between two mutually consenting individuals to handshakes with strangers or going out into a crowd without a mask it just being obtuse.
 
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GEddie said:
Decades of obsession with “self reliance,” with the idea that getting sick is one’s own fault, and that possibly falling into poverty to fight illness is part of “freedom,” has led to the inability to stem a contagious virus because people can’t afford testing or treatment.
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All fed by the misconception that a bad decision can only harm ‘you’ and not others.
 
Freddy said:
My state in Australia (NSW) has just had 15 new cases yesterday. And we’re getting seriously worried about it. Florida has three times the population and it’s just had 15,000 .

That figure makes zero sense to me. If it was a third world country with almost no access to testing, no means to pass on medical information and recommendations as to how to avoid catching it or no ability to track cases then it would still be barely believable.

Has anyone got an answer for why the figures are off the chart?
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I visited Australia for 6 weeks in 2012 and stayed with various cousins (Queensland, NSW, Victoria, S. Australia). Without going into specific examples, what struck me in all sorts of situations is that there seemed to be an attitude of “We are a team.” That’s not to say that Australians are not individualistic–they’re probably more individualistic than Americans. But my point is that Australians seemed to join clubs, teams, etc. and if given a choice of doing something by themselves or doing it in a group, they seemed to favor doing it in a group. So it was “Australians vs. virus” as a team competition. The virus didn’t have a chance.

In the US, as you can tell by this thread, it’s “Democratic virus vs. virtuous Republicans” or “virus is a hoax so why worry” or “the virus death rate is absurdly inflated” or “Fauci is a liar and is not to be believed.” Big difference, and course the results are plain to see (if you open your eyes). Florida has had more cases in one day than S. Korea had during the entire pandemic. Now that’s leadership!
 
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Freddy:
My state in Australia (NSW) has just had 15 new cases yesterday. And we’re getting seriously worried about it. Florida has three times the population and it’s just had 15,000 .

That figure makes zero sense to me. If it was a third world country with almost no access to testing, no means to pass on medical information and recommendations as to how to avoid catching it or no ability to track cases then it would still be barely believable.

Has anyone got an answer for why the figures are off the chart?
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I visited Australia for 6 weeks in 2012 and stayed with various cousins (Queensland, NSW, Victoria, S. Australia).
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I think that’s a valid point about us all feeling that we’re in this together. And I’ll throw in our Kiwi mates into that as well.

We’ve effectively got a two party system here. Labor on the left and Liberals on the right. Both the federal and the NSW state governments are held by the Liberals. I voted Labor for both and was pretty despondent when the Libs retained power.

However, both the federal Prime minister and the state premier, both of whom I would vote out of office at the drop of hat, are doing a magnificent job in regard to the virus. And the federal government and all state governments have put political differences aside and are all working together - as a team, to defeat this.

There’s an outbreak in parts of Melbourne at the moment so we have actually closed the border between my state and theirs. And there’s intense rivalry between Sydney and Melbourne, but so many Sydneysiders have sent messages of support to the people of Melbourne saying ‘Hang in there, guys. It’s tough but we’ve got your back’.

I’m not sure why our attitudes might be different to the US. Both countries came into existence about the same time. Both have huge amounts of immigration from all over the world. The standard of living is pretty much the same. There are so many similarities. Apart from the country itself.

We’re sparsely populated and umless you live on the coastal fringes of certain areas, it’s a tough place to live. Maybe the attitudes were forged in the early days. That it was realised that we needed to work together to make this work at all. And there’s a term that we use quite often and we’re kinda proud of. It’s ‘mateship’. Which effectively means ‘I’ve got your back, buddy. I won’t let you down’.

Maybe the American attitude is more individualistic.
 
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