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I just get more giggly, but after two or three I’m ready for bed. I’m certainly no party-girl.
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I get drowsy too after two to three drinks but when I go to bed to try to sleep, my mind, is going at warp speed and I can’t sleep. My brain won’t shut down. 
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That’s terrible when that happens. Do you think it’s because of the wine, or are you sometimes not able to sleep for the same reasons ie where you mind won’t stop thinking?
When that happened to me I used to say my mind has a mind of its own. And it wouldn’t be quiet!
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I think it’s because of the wine.
Without the wine, I can force my brain to think of nothing. With the wine, that control is gone.
Without the wine, I can force my brain to think of nothing. With the wine, that control is gone.
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That’s common. Alcohol gives you a very light not restful sleep.
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Please don’t, she’s just lovelyadgloriam:
Well now I feel bad about it …
and habits do change…
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We aren’t all functioning alcoholics I promise
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If I’m allowed a comment, I’ve been really curious to check out the US wine market. So, by CAF’s influence I did…(And I do have countryman that became US nationals and tell me how things go there.)
Well, first impression was verifying the same trend I’ve seen in Europe these last years. Wine has become more fashionable and at one point “rich kid” decides to buy a farm (a form of divesifying real-estate investment, and symbolic show-off). He’s never really worked on it -neither does he intend to work- so he gets someone to set things up for him. After that, it’s the same varieties, the same business model, the same publicity, the same overpriced bottles…
(I get a kick when I see the “Instagram Presentations”, you’d be lead to think a Vineyard is full of girls in kitsch outfits posing for the camera.
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Thanks @Sarcelle I really enjoyed checking out the site. (I found the “tasting” prices are rather fair actually.) I’m happy to know you enjoyed the tasting, the venue “feels” very good.
I’ll note they include “Port”, “Madeira” and “Rosé”
(although theirs is not the real thing…)
I’ll note they include “Port”, “Madeira” and “Rosé”
(although theirs is not the real thing…)
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@adgloriam, my parish uses (fake) port for Communion and I actually like it. And my cousin just completed a pilgrimage on the Camino de Santiago and bought this. It made me think of you.(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)I’ll note they include “Port”, “Madeira” and “Rosé”
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The wine consecrated at mass is a class of its own called Sacramental wine, Communion wine, or altar wine .
Ok, this is a bit complicated and I never took the time to inquire in depth. I can assume, that the chief winemaker who makes most of the sacramental wine destined to be consecrated in my country is actually a friend of my family. Next time he visits my cellar I’ll pick his mind. (It’s probably due to discretion alone that the subject never came up.)
So, sacramental wine is not port-wine (although somewhat similar) and I don’t even think it qualifies as “fortified wine” but as a “licorous wine”. “Fortified wine” requires adding of “spirits of wine”(“firewater”) aka “aguardente vínica” to an overall alcohol content above 20%. The said “wine spirit” is distilled with an “Alembic” from the “grape bagasse” that was pressed and then fermented together with the wine.
Sacramental wine to be consecrated follows strict Vatican guidelines seeking to be as “Pure” as possible without any additives (which should in fact be doable, but does represent a challenge). In fact, the production has to be supervised by a priest.
The Sacramental wine you tried has most likely had a minute amount of “wine spirit” added to it. Why? Because in most parishes one bottle should be enough for a few weeks, if that minute amount of “wine spirit” weren’t added the bottle would spoil within a few days (so it avoids the remainder of the bottle going to waste.)
From what I’ve gathered Sacramental wine (with added “wine spirit”) should range from 16% to a maximum of 18% alcohol. Which is an interesting range, since at 15% you’re on the threshold of the wine not finishing fermenting on its own. (I’m also left wondering at what point the “wine spirit” is added.)
I suppose the norm today is for the “licorous” form to be used solely because of practical reasons. In a rite or church where enough quantity is expected to be consumed there would be no practical reason to add any “wine spirit”. (I’m left wondering what the sacramental wine would be like in that form.)
P.S. And the reason White Wine is used instead of Red Wine is solely to avoid the difficulty of removing Red Wine stains from the liturgical cloths
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Forgive my ignorance regarding wine. As I mentioned, I am generally a non-drinker. Your explanation was very interesting, though, from a scientific perspective.
The bottle that we use says Port on the label. Maybe it is just imprecise? I don’t remember if it said Sacramental Wine because that isn’t the information I was looking for. At the end of Great Vespers, we sometimes bless bread and wine and then consume them. This is a holdover from a ceremony that, in its purest form, is an all-night vigil, so sustenance is sometimes required. Of course, we go home after consuming the bread and wine. So one day, when the priest offered me a bit of wine, I accepted. Much to my surprise, I really like it, so I asked what kind of wine it was. The priest said it was the same wine we use for Communion and went into the sacristy to retrieve the bottle so I could read the label. I don’t remember much about the contents of the label, I just remember that it said it was port. (Father, being a Slav, is much more familiar with beer and vodka.)
Our parish is in a bit of an unusual situation in that we are very small. A single bottle could easily last us quite some time.
The bottle that we use says Port on the label. Maybe it is just imprecise? I don’t remember if it said Sacramental Wine because that isn’t the information I was looking for. At the end of Great Vespers, we sometimes bless bread and wine and then consume them. This is a holdover from a ceremony that, in its purest form, is an all-night vigil, so sustenance is sometimes required. Of course, we go home after consuming the bread and wine. So one day, when the priest offered me a bit of wine, I accepted. Much to my surprise, I really like it, so I asked what kind of wine it was. The priest said it was the same wine we use for Communion and went into the sacristy to retrieve the bottle so I could read the label. I don’t remember much about the contents of the label, I just remember that it said it was port. (Father, being a Slav, is much more familiar with beer and vodka.)
Our parish is in a bit of an unusual situation in that we are very small. A single bottle could easily last us quite some time.
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Oh, how I wish I had that ability! Mine is constantly running …
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When my family lived in Michigan, we were right across the street from a vineyard. We never visited, though. The only tour I’ve ever done was the Chateau St. Michelle tour in Woodinville, WA. It was alright, and the white wines they had on it were fantastic.
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What really trained my mind was the daily rosary.
I try to think of nothing but the mysteries under consideration when praying the rosary.
I pray the rosary daily so it trained my mind through the meditation of the rosary mysteries.
I try to think of nothing but the mysteries under consideration when praying the rosary.
I pray the rosary daily so it trained my mind through the meditation of the rosary mysteries.
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I like Chateau St. Michelle White wines.
They are fantastic indeed.
They are fantastic indeed.
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Then you are blessed to be able to do so.
I too pray the rosary daily, think upon the mystery at the start of each decade, but concentrate (or at least try too) on each Hail Mary as was explained in The Secret of the Rosary For Renewal and Salvation by St. Louis-Marie De Montfort. But still I cannot stop my mind from wandering. I have also tried to focus on the mystery, focus on the relevant picture for that mystery, tried scriptural mystery - yet still my mind wanders. But I know God accepts my effort and intention with regards to controlling or minimizing it’s wandering.
(A wise priest once said to me, that when that happens to just gently bring your mind back to the prayer, and as it is involuntary there is no sin. I thought I’d just add this last paragraph for anyone wondering and who had the same problem.)
I too pray the rosary daily, think upon the mystery at the start of each decade, but concentrate (or at least try too) on each Hail Mary as was explained in The Secret of the Rosary For Renewal and Salvation by St. Louis-Marie De Montfort. But still I cannot stop my mind from wandering. I have also tried to focus on the mystery, focus on the relevant picture for that mystery, tried scriptural mystery - yet still my mind wanders. But I know God accepts my effort and intention with regards to controlling or minimizing it’s wandering.
(A wise priest once said to me, that when that happens to just gently bring your mind back to the prayer, and as it is involuntary there is no sin. I thought I’d just add this last paragraph for anyone wondering and who had the same problem.)
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Oh, my mind does wander from time to time when praying the rosary. Some days are better than others, especially when issues in my life surface.
I am not perfect on the art of meditation nor do I think that I will ever be perfect.
I am not perfect on the art of meditation nor do I think that I will ever be perfect.
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Neither am I! But at least we all do try to be perfect and offer to God prayers that are as perfect as we can offer them at that time. Something to keep striving for, I’d say.
I’m glad you replied before I made another comment, because I must admit I am relieved to read your mind still does wander on occasion , 'cause I was just about to hit you up for some tips!
I’m glad you replied before I made another comment, because I must admit I am relieved to read your mind still does wander on occasion , 'cause I was just about to hit you up for some tips!
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