Why Am I for nationa healthcare?

[ryecroft]

The. issue. is. amount. of. care.
Ella
If the sickest pay the least, that won’t solve anything. Sure the sickest people will get care, but all that means is that some people who aren’t quite as sick will be forced out. Or that people will be forced out of the system when their recovery is in process.

We need to increase the amount of all doctors in our country- that is the only true solution.

I’m sorry, are you trying to say that if I say make 100K a year and someone else only makes 20K or doesn’t have an income that even if I’m not sick or need health care often at all that I’m still going to wind up paying out a lot more than say the person who makes 20K who is sick? It’s bad enough that with taxes I wind up paying for those who are sick and in this country and who are not citizens.

I actually do get a lot of health care due to my kidney disease - but we have insurance -we wind up paying the $3 K a year for scripts before my insurance will let me get them fo z$z$20.00 a prescription and you don’t want to know how much we fork out before we go to 80/20 with Doctors and treatments. None the less, I don’t feel that someone else should wind up paying for my medical bills.
God Bless
Rye

 

[ComputerGeek25]

And you base this conclusion on… what? We’re all humans.
Such as? Explain them in what way?

Not trying to be racist here. But, as an example…

I believe, as I remember from school many years ago, that African American men are at higher risk for heart disease than their causcasian counter parts.

The United Kingdom (as an example) has 2.0% percent of its people of African descent whereas 12.4% of the US population is of African descent. (got this from wikipedia)

US citizens are more over weight.

Obviously these are two examples are why I’d expect expect health care costs to be drastically different.

The point is… Different ethnicities/races may be more at risk for certain diseases. The two obvious things that drive the need for health care are lifestyle and genetics. This is just common sense. We can at least try to change our lifestyle

The infrastructure of hospitals and doctors will not change - they will not be gov’t owned hospitals or gov’t employed doctors. It’s the insurance or lack thereof that will change.

Yet we pay more per capita than any European country, for health care.

So how do you propose we pay for the 300 million people in this country, as well as keep (or reduce) the patient to physician ratio as is?

50% of people in this country pay no Federal Income tax. Do we lower the bar for this to have them defray the cost of providing them health care?

You do also realize that when Medicare/Medicad controls how much a doctor or hospital, by law, can charge their patients?

 

[aspawloski4th]

Because- We lead less healthy lifestyles on average, so we require more care

• We have less care to go around
• We can buy all we want, so long as we are willing and able.

We have less healthy lifestyles because we spend more time at work than anyone else. If you got home from a 12 hour work day you aren’t going to the gym , you are going to eat supoper then bed mostlikely. People in the other countries have time for a healthier lifestyle, we absolutely do not.

 

[tjm190]

We have less healthy lifestyles because we spend more time at work than anyone else. If you got home from a 12 hour work day you aren’t going to the gym , you are going to eat supoper then bed mostlikely. People in the other countries have time for a healthier lifestyle, we absolutely do not.

Do you have any sort of proof of that? A study that etablishes a link between hours worked and obesity for example?

 

[aspawloski4th]

Do you have any sort of proof of that? A study that etablishes a link between hours worked and obesity for example?

Everyone knows our work week is longer than anyoe in Europe and we are more obese than anyone. Connect the dots. If you are at the shop all day you have less time for personal needs.

 

[tjm190]

Everyone knows our work week is longer than anyoe in Europe and we are more obese than anyone. Connect the dots. If you are at the shop all day you have less time for personal needs.

So… you have no proof at all, only rampant speculation. How do you explain obese children and homeless people?

 

[aspawloski4th]

So… you have no proof at all, only rampant speculation. How do you explain obese children and homeless people?

Stress hormones for the homeless that make one’s body hold on to fat when there is a lack of eating. For children, its too much time in front of the computer and for all of us it’s highfructose corn syrup for sweetening rather than sugar. But while in other countries they get more exercise hours per week worked are less and vacation time is more. Who is more likely go to the gym after work, the person who works 6 hours in a day, or the person who works 12 hours in a day? I tell you if I work 12 hours in a given day I’m going home microwaving dinner and relaxing till bed time which is pretty soon if I worked that many hours.

 

[tjm190]

Stress hormones for the homeless that make one’s body hold on to fat when there is a lack of eating. For children, its too much time in front of the computer and for all of us it’s highfructose corn syrup for sweetening rather than sugar. But while in other countries they get more exercise hours per week worked are less and vacation time is more. Who is more likely go to the gym after work, the person who works 6 hours in a day, or the person who works 12 hours in a day? I tell you if I work 12 hours in a given day I’m going home microwaving dinner and relaxing till bed time which is pretty soon if I worked that many hours.

So hours worked isn’t he only factor? After all, you provided other things that can cause obesity. The human body doesn’t require hours of works outs per day to stay in shape- just that we not take in more than we need.

 

[aspawloski4th]

So hours worked isn’t he only factor? After all, you provided other things that can cause obesity. The human body doesn’t require hours of works outs per day to stay in shape- just that we not take in more than we need.

In some cases. I get about 1200 to 1500 average calorries a day with the exception of sunday and Im overweight. My doctor says its from cortisol going hog wild in my body from the many stresses Im under. Haman weight is controled by many factors and how much one eats is not the largest by any stretch of the imagination. It’s exercise, genetics, stress hormones levels, blood sugar levels, etc.

 

[tjm190]

In some cases. I get about 1200 to 1500 average calorries a day with the exception of sunday and Im overweight. My doctor says its from cortisol going hog wild in my body from the many stresses Im under. Haman weight is controled by many factors and how much one eats is not the largest by any stretch of the imagination. It’s exercise, genetics, stress hormones levels, blood sugar levels, etc.

Really now? How many nutrients you take in is not the largest factor in how many nutrients you store? Of course there are other factors that determine what percentage of nutrients are used/stored- but how many you take in is clearly the largest factor.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Really now? How many nutrients you take in is not the largest factor in how much food you store?

The humanbeing is a bit more complicated than that. Humans were never supposed to be simple, Thank God.

 

[tjm190]

The humanbeing is a bit more complicated than that. Humans were never supposed to be simple, Thank God.

This isn’t a statement about human beings so much as it is about chemistry. We don’t produce nutrients on our own, correct? So we have to take them in from outside sources. Sometimes we take in more then we need. So we store some. Different people store different amounts. Different people use different amounts. However, you can not store more then you take in. So I’d say how much you take in is the most significant factor.

 

[aspawloski4th]

This isn’t a statement about human beings so much as it is about chemistry. We don’t produce nutrients on our own, correct? So we have to take them in from outside sources. Sometimes we take in more then we need. So we store some. Different people store different amounts. Different people use different amounts. However, you can not store more then you take in. So I’d say how much you take in is the most significant factor.

But if all you eat gets stored rather than used. Cortisol is a stress hormone that stores fat when the human body is under stress, it dates back from our hunter gatherer days. it stores fat for a “rainy day”.

 

[tjm190]

But if all you eat gets stored rather than used. Cortisol is a stress hormone that stores fat when the human body is under stress, it dates back from our hunter gatherer days. it stores fat for a “rainy day”.

Yes- there is variation in how much you use. But you’re body still has to use some- everything you do, from typing on this keyboard, to breathing, to thinking requires energy.

 

[tjm190]

We seem to have hopped off topic anyway- the main point is that obesity is an enormous factor with respect to the health care shortage in America.

 

[NotWorthy]

I think National Healthcare has just suffered a “BROWN-OUT”!!! :extrahappy:

 

[Monte_RCMS]

We are for national healthcare because Romney installed a mini version of national healthcare in Massachusetts AND IT WORKS SOOOO WELL!

[Without the sarcasm: it doesn’t work. It’s clumsy. And very expensive. ]

 

[aspawloski4th]

I think National Healthcare has just suffered a “BROWN-OUT”!!! :extrahappy:

Yes more and more people will loose everything because of illnesses and die because they can’t afford healthcare yes yes yes.

 

[NotWorthy]

Yes more and more people will loose everything because of illnesses and die because they can’t afford healthcare yes yes yes.

I’m not aware of our healthcare system turning anyone down because they can’t afford health care.

It certainly hasn’t stopped any illegal aliens from being taken care of.

BTW, Aspa, who spoke out in this election? Greedy people who wish to kill the poor, or people tired of the government wasting their money?

Take a look at the emergency food and water distribution in Haiti. The government is WAY behind Catholic Relief Services in helping out the people of Haiti. You think the government can run our healthcare?

 

[pathia]

I’m not aware of our healthcare system turning anyone down because they can’t afford health care.

We’re not turned away at the ER, no, but that’s not what the sickest need. They need chronic longterm care. If you can’t work enough to get it, you can’t afford a plan. Being poor is not the only requirement to be on medicare/caid. I’ve lived in poverty for most of my adult life and I have never once qualified for government assistance in my care. I go to the ER and file bankruptcy every 7years. That is my ‘health care plan’. ER visits and bankruptcies.