Then I’ll continue to pray for your soul, because you’re going to have* plenty* of “time” to wish you had given more of it to*** true faith*** in God, given the free choice to do so.
Please don’t pray for me. If your god would send me to hell for the simple fact there is no empirical evidence it exists, then it is not the kind of creature i would want to know anyway. I would rather burn in hell than worship such a twisted individual, and i will not be threaten into mental slavery .
We have eye witnesses, people who attest that Jesus Christ walked this earth, died and resurrected and made the audacious statement of truly being the Son of God. Why do you assume that this is wrong or that it never happened? Furthermore, by supernatural I mean people who have been visited by spirits, angels, things not of this world, or for example the 'dancing of the sun" at Fatima, or the Shroud of Turin (which by the way is the most studied artifact in history). . .etc. Have you bothered to look into the miracles of Lourdes, don’t you wish to understand phenomena such as this? Aren’t you the least bit curious?
Where do you get your ideas of God from Charlie? Don’t you think you should at least read the New Testament in the Bible to understand where we’re coming from or who God truly is? God bless.
What people made those claims about Jesus, and how do we know?
Actually what you imagine as “slavery” is true freedom, and what you envisage as “freedom” is slavery. Non-belief results in the human person to be enslaved to several masters: temporal success and wealth, base instincts, animal passion, and societalnorms and mores. With belief, we are free from these constraints and we can rise above our meager existence in this life. You desire empirical evidence. So did St. Thomas the Apostle. Upon reports of our Lord’s resurrection, Thomas did not believe unless he saw Jesus had risen by empirical evidence. When he did finally see the Lord, Jesus told him that those who believed without seeing were the truly blessed. From your posts, you seem to think yourself intelligent and educated. Your education is complete at best because of your lack of study of philosophy. There are things that we can know without empirical evidence. I do wonder how you deal with abstract mathematical theories. Geometry of course is backed by empirical data, but what of number theory? How can you know that numbers go on to infinity in either direction of a number line without empirical evidence to back it up? Without defining infinity, you can only assume, but not know with certainty that numbers are indeed infinite. If you are going to reject God due to a lack of empirical data, then you must also reject mathematics.
The Apostles and those who later became the disciples of the eye witnesses, i.e., the apostles. There are also historical reports by people unrelated to the Christian sect at the time, people like Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, Josephus and a whole bunch more that attest that Jesus was real and did die. Things like his resurrection were mentioned along with miracles and the like, however, they themselves did not believe this, but it’s striking nevertheless because Tacitus (a first century historian), for example, gives us a clue as to how early on the Christians were already proclaiming the Word of God.
Yes, that does seem rather odd but 70 000 still claim to have seen the sun dance atheist and believer alike, in fact, people miles away saw it as well. Moreover, what is astonishing to me is that the children who were speaking to Mother Mary were told the exact date and hour that this phenomena would happen and it did. This is nothing a mere human (children) could know.
The Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus and on it remains the image of man that till this day cannot be explained by science. They are not sure as to how the image got there. If you type in “shroud of Turin” you will find the official cite put together by a man named Barrie Shwartz (a Jew). There you will find a plethora of information on the shroud including scientific experiments done. God bless.
Not really, it very simple, either god (just for the sake of argument i will say it exists) is going to punish me or not punish me when i die.
If i am going to reject god i must also reject maths? Are you for real? I can’t wait to here this, carry on… Or is that you explanation above? Oh and infinity is not a number, so no, numbers don’t go onto infinity. Infinity is a mathematical construct that deals with limits. E.G. limitless sets.
Or as my prof says: “Any question, if pushed far enough becomes a question of Metaphysics”If i am going to reject god i must also reject maths? Are you for real? I can’t wait to here this one, carry on…
Also I’m not interested in philosophy, i find it to be meaningless with it comes to real knowledge. To quote thunderf00t “philosophy is typically the last resort of those that have been thoroughly routed out of the academic arena”
Sorry, that is reason, not anything that can be measured by the senses. Try again. You must only use empirical evidence. This is why math is essentially a branch of philosophy. It is no coincidence that early mathemeticians were philosophers.Easy give me any number an i will add one to it. Try if for you self
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Are the apostles trustworthy? That is, is it reasonable to accept their testimony on a matter of whether or not Jesus was divine?
Were all 70,000 people all interviewed, and did each and every one of them say that they witnessed the miracle?
It’s interesting, but I can’t find anything indicating that it was Jesus’s burial cloth.
With an attitude like yours why do you even bother conversing with us, you know nothing about God.
I think the appropriate atheistic response would be that you would also have to reject the Flying Spaghetti Monster for lack of empirical data as well.
I’m starting to think that conversing with atheists is such a waste time, I’m sorry, but I can’t help it, ultimately I don’t care whether you believe or not, but if this is your idea of research and in depth analysis of such things like “the dancing sun” or the “shroud of Turin” or the miracles of Lourdes or any other thing connected to God then don’t bother asking questions. Now did you actually go on the website I suggested?