Why are BISHOPS DIVIDED over SPPX?

[pnewton]

1. The SSPX shows upmost respect for the bride of Christ, the Church, Our Mother… I meant this mass confusion that exists in the Roman Catholic Church. I too am of the Roman Catholic Rite and I am also in the “dung heap” with you

The SSPX shows respect for Our Mother, the church by abandonment.

Regardless of your affiliation, calling a part of the church “dung heap” is both juvenile and disrespectful.

 

[bear06]

1. The SSPX shows upmost respect for the bride of Christ, the Church, Our Mother

Yeah, and some hacker put these little quotes on the SSPX website:

Every time it has been made clear to us that if we would give in to the injunctions of Rome we would commit suicide, that no proposal would solve our problems of conscience, that is, to avoid any and all sacrilege. Sacrilege exists!

We can’t accept the new catechisms nor the reorientation of the whole discipline of the Church.

In normal circumstances, it is always very difficult for a subordinate to make a remark to a superior, but especially about the pope, about cardinals, about Rome herself. The usual attitude of Rome is “be quiet,” or “obey.”

We have no problem there, and we are certainly not the problem. We admit that living the Catholic Faith as we do manifests the problem with you, Rome.

These are just from one article. If you’ve ever read some of the Angelus Press books you’d know that they show little respect for anything other than Marcel Lefebvre’s view of the Church. They certainly are not respectful, obedient or submissive to the Church and the Holy Father.

 

[katolik]

pnewton:

The SSPX shows respect for Our Mother, the church by abandonment.

Regardless of your affiliation, calling a part of the church “dung heap” is both juvenile and disrespectful.

I am a juvenile cleared of charges

 

[TNT]

bear06:

Yeah, and some hacker put these little quotes on the SSPX website:
These are just from one article. If you’ve ever read some of the Angelus Press books you’d know that they show little respect for anything other than Marcel Lefebvre’s view of the Church. They certainly are not respectful, obedient or submissive to the Church and the Holy Father.

One of my incentives for getting to heaven is so I will know how this theological soap opera turns out. Cause it doesn’t appear it will happen any time soon.

Originally Posted by pnewton
*The SSPX shows respect for Our Mother, the church by abandonment. *

Regardless of your affiliation, calling a part of the church “dung heap” is both juvenile and disrespectful.

That was one of Luther’s famous expressions…and we all know what the Vatican thinks of blessed Martin, as opposed to, say, Marcel Lefebvre-the-leper.

 

[jimmy]

katolik:

Jesus didn’t speak Greek,Ruthenian, Slavonic, or Armenian, so what?
I don’t understand you byzcath. You are a Rutenian Catholic, but you stick your nose into Roman affairs. If I did what you do here on byzcath, i would be banned lickety split. Let us mind our own Roman Latin Catholic dung heap thank you.

katolik, he is just as much Catholic as you are. The Latin rite is no more Catholic than the Maronites, Ruthenians, or any other of the Churches. They are all part of the one true Church.

The point Byz is trying to make is that the mass can change. There is no law that says that the mass has to be one way and can’t be another.

The problem with the SSPX is that they do not accept the authority of the pope. The will admitt the pope has the seat of Peter, but they do not treat him so.

The indult mass has been allowed but they reject it.

 

[Trelow]

philipmarus:

After reading all theses posts I simply have to ask:

Prove to me Jesus spoke English?.

DUH! He dictated the bible to King James.

 

[pnewton]

TNT:

One of my incentives for getting to heaven is so I will know how this theological soap opera turns out. Cause it doesn’t appear it will happen any time soon.

I think we all need a little historical perspective sometimes. A lot of these conflicts are resolved over a more than one generation.

Thanks for the information on Martin Luther. I learned something new today. Even an old monk can act juvenile.

 

[Trelow]

jimmy:

The problem with the SSPX is that they do not accept the authority of the pope. The will admitt the pope has the seat of Peter, but they do not treat him so.

And quite frankly that is very dangerous ground.

 

[Agomemnon]

jimmy:

The problem with the SSPX is that they do not accept the authority of the pope. The will admitt the pope has the seat of Peter, but they do not treat him so.

The indult mass has been allowed but they reject it.

Sounds like your talking about the American Bishops and the USCCB to me.

The American Bishops reject the authority of he Pope, America has been in schism and I pray it ends soon. How’s that ‘wide and generous’ application of Ecclessia Dei going?..I thought so.

 

[CrusaderNY]

Exploding? No they are not converts but probably immigrants from Mexico, who once they realize what V2 has done to the church, as I am sure much of the liberalization has not hit Mexico as there is still a great devotion to our Lady of Guadalupe there. But you may be correct as I have seen the mass on EWTN from the South which is in Spanish and obviously what appears to have a large Mexican contingent there, and it looks very very Novus Ordo with all kinds of singing, dancing and other non traditional customs taking place.

bear06:
This might be true in your neck of the woods but not mine. Most of the churches here (even the ones I can’t stand) have standing room only on Sundays. In fact, they’ve finally started building bigger churches to accomodate the exploding Catholic population.

 

[CrusaderNY]

[Exploding? No they are not converts but probably immigrants from Mexico, who once they realize what V2 has done to the church, as I am sure much of the liberalization has not hit Mexico as there is still a great devotion to our Lady of Guadalupe there. But you may be correct as I have seen the mass on EWTN from the South which is in Spanish and obviously what appears to have a large Mexican contingent there, and it looks very very Novus Ordo with all kinds of singing, dancing and other non traditional customs taking placeQUOTE=bear06]
This might be true in your neck of the woods but not mine. Most of the churches here (even the ones I can’t stand) have standing room only on Sundays. In fact, they’ve finally started building bigger churches to accomodate the exploding Catholic population.

 

[CrusaderNY]

Exploding? No they are not converts but probably immigrants from Mexico, who once they realize what V2 has done to the church, as I am sure much of the liberalization has not hit Mexico as there is still a great devotion to our Lady of Guadalupe there. But you may be correct as I have seen the mass on EWTN from the South which is in Spanish and obviously what appears to have a large Mexican contingent there, and it looks very very Novus Ordo with all kinds of singing, dancing and other non traditional customs taking place

bear06:
This might be true in your neck of the woods but not mine. Most of the churches here (even the ones I can’t stand) have standing room only on Sundays. In fact, they’ve finally started building bigger churches to accomodate the exploding Catholic population.

 

[dumspirospero]

When Pope Victor was elected in 189, he was The Church’s first Latin-Speaking Pope and that was when Latin became the official language of The Church…The changes that ascended out of this defined the universal rite (Latin Rite) of The Church, and would remain as such for nearly 1,800 years with a few exceptions. And to this day, Latin is the “lingua franca” for official documents of the Catholic Church. So, minus a few adjustments, the TLM is for the most part a Mass that has been around nearly since the beginning of early Catholicism.

ByzCath:

I won’t argue on which rite is oldest as it doesn’t matter.

The Mass of today is of that rite. The Trad Latin Mass is not even the Mass of Quo Primum as there have been additions to it.

And I must add, Jesus didn’t speak Latin.

The form of the Mass is a matter of discipline and can and does change.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

dumspirospero:

When Pope Victor was elected in 189, he was The Church’s first Latin-Speaking Pope and that was when Latin became the official language of The Church…The changes that ascended out of this defined the universal rite (Latin Rite) of The Church, and would remain as such for nearly 1,800 years with a few exceptions. And to this day, Latin is the “lingua franca” for official documents of the Catholic Church. So, minus a few adjustments, the TLM is for the most part a Mass that has been around nearly since the beginning of early Catholicism.

But you ignore the fact that the Mass was said in the vernicular even in the days of Quo Primum. The Latin Liturgy have never been just said in Latin.

 

[pnewton]

Agomemnon:

Sounds like your talking about the American Bishops and the USCCB to me.

The American Bishops reject the authority of he Pope, America has been in schism and I pray it ends soon. How’s that ‘wide and generous’ application of Ecclessia Dei going?..I thought so.

Do you know ot any document where the the American bishops have rejected the doctrine of papal authority or is this just a slanderous opinion?

While you are at it, since it takes the pope to proclaim someone ins schism, when did he proclain the America was in schism?