Why are people mormon considering it is obvioulsy fabricated?

[why_me]

You have never been Catholic.
Everytime you post something like this you look more foolish.

Really? Having catholics examine their conscience is foolish? I think that catholics are encouraged to do this. Where have you been?

 

[Stephen168]

The examination of concience is a prelude for confession. The questions give -]us/-] Catholics something to think about -]and if we find ourselves lacking, we should go the priest to confess. /-] before confession. The questions cover a great deal that can be overlooked by a person who does not have them to use as a guide.

It is not a tool to decide if a Catholic should go to confession. It is a tool to use before confession. It is not part of the sacrament. Of course if you had ever been Catholic you would have known that. It is also not a tool to be used by tools to tell Catholics they should go to confession.

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

what’s very clear with mormons is that their unreasonable and ostensibly false faith is based primarily on a emotional and feelings based attachment. they take as a priori mormonism to be true, then find any argument, no matter how silly or weak, to justify it.

all historical and genetic studies of the history of the americas by reputable non-mormon sources have completely destroyed any credibility for the BOM. The BOA was also proven to be a forgery of a 1st or 2nd century egyptian book of the dead.

These facts alone show us that mormonism was fabricated by joe smith for money, power and women.

how anyone can take seriously a religion which once taught blacks and dark skinned people were cursed by God is outrageous–personally to me–and an affront to us who hold that faith and reason mutually support one another.

 

[Stephen168]

Really? Having catholics examine their conscience is foolish? I think that catholics are encouraged to do this. Where have you been?

I’ve been Catholic my whole life that is where I’ve been.

Read the questions in the sacrament of reconciliation. If you answer yes to the questions in Love thy Neighbor part, maybe the catholic should not take the communion.

You clearly have never been Catholic.

 

[cthulhubryan]

Diana, be serious. You know as well as we do that every Mormon believes that the Quetzalcoatl myth is a corruption of the story of Jesus’ visit to the Americas a la 3 Nephi, and that the missionaries use it to prove the historicity of the BoM. When I was LDS it was taught often in SS and in LDS magazines like the Ensign and was taken for granted by everyone I knew.

Just called my sister-in-law. Not every Mormon believes it.

 

[why_me]

It is not a tool to decide if a Catholic should go to confession. It is a tool to use before confession. It is not part of the sacrament. Of course if you had ever been Catholic you would have known that. It is also not a tool to be used by tools to tell Catholics they should go to confession.

It is a manual for the penitent. And the questions give guidance in what we should confess. That is the point to the questions. And of course, one part of the manual is dovoted to neighbor and how we should treat our neighbor and how not to.

Here are some different questions to ask before confession:

ewtn.com/library/Prayer/examconscience.htm

 

[zaffiroborant]

You mean this post by a catholic:

blueadept

Group: Members Posts: 1427 Joined: 01-November 05 Posted 5 days ago

ChristKnight, on 11 August 2009 - 02:59 PM, said:

I don’t think it’s as one sided as you are making it seem.

Apparently you do not participate in the catholic.com forum that ‘why me’ is referring to. In that particular venue it is that one-sided and I’ll attest to that as a Catholic and seen some of the one-sided conversations that ‘why me’ has been involved with.

In regards to President Monson speaking at the Cathedral, the ecumenical relationship between the Diocese of SLC and the LDS church is well known.

I think that blueadept spoke volumes in his post.

BlueAdept is a Catholic, I said an LDS commented. Try again.

 

[why_me]

I’ve been Catholic my whole life that is where I’ve been.You clearly have never been Catholic.

Okay…thanks for telling me so. But in this case, I know that I am right. I know that the questions involved help us to recognize the sinfulness in our lives; thus, to make a more through confession.

 

[why_me]

BlueAdept is a Catholic, I said an LDS commented. Try again.

I have seen no LDS person give me a problem. However another catholic prompted blue’s comment. But the lds were fine with it.

 

[Stephen168]

Here are some different questions to ask before confession:

A tool to be used before confession. It is also not a tool to be used by tools to tell Catholics they should go to confession. There are many guides to help a Catholic examine their conscience most are based on the ten commandments.

Here are some questions from the first commandment:

Have I willfully doubted or denied any of the teachings of the Church (heresy)?
Have I taken active part in any non-Catholic worship?
Am I a member of any anti-Catholic or any secret society?
Have I practiced any superstitions (horoscopes, fortune tellers, etc.)?

 

[Stephen168]

Okay…thanks for telling me so. But in this case, I know that I am right. I know that the questions involved help us to recognize the sinfulness in our lives; thus, to make a more through confession.

Yes, you were wrong but you know that now. Keep learning about Catholicism and someday you will see how Mormonism is a fabrication of Joseph Smith.

 

[dianaiad]

Diana, be serious.

Funny, that’s what I was asking you guys to do.

You know as well as we do that every Mormon believes that the Quetzalcoatl myth is a corruption of the story of Jesus’ visit to the Americas a la 3 Nephi, and that the missionaries use it to prove the historicity of the BoM. When I was LDS it was taught often in SS and in LDS magazines like the Ensign and was taken for granted by everyone I knew.

I know that, do I?

Odd. I’m going to have to go tell myself that, and chastise myself regarding this issue.

 

[dianaiad]

Latter Day Saints believe that neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit is God, that only the Father is. The first chapter of John is enough to disprove this theory, in my opinion.

And also, they believe that God (the Father) was once a man “As man now is, God once was.”, and he achieved Godhood through righteousness, much like Mormons believe they can attain Godhood through righteousness.

This, to me, suggests that God is not eternal, that he is changeable, which goes against everything I believe about God. That’s just my thoughts.

Nice strawman. I suppose that if I correct you and say that we do indeed believe that Jesus Christ is God (the second member of the godhead) that you will be extremely relieved and glad to find out that we don’t believe quite what you think we do, right?

???

…didn’t think so.

Oh, don’t forget to stop in and get a good sandwich at the Old Grist Mill next time you hit Oasis books.

 

[RebeccaJ]

And precisely where did I do that, Rebecca?

I think that this ‘messiah’ type is one of those threads; the god, or son of god, born of a virgin, who has great adventures and then is either killed, commits suicide, or sacrificed–and then returns from death, or leaves and promises to return. This archetype is found everywhere: as it should be found everywhere, if the original theology is what Jews, Christians and Muslims claim it is.

Mesoamericans were not Christians. And, neither are Jews or Muslims.

 

[dianaiad]

Just called my sister-in-law. Not every Mormon believes it.

It WOULD be fun if it were…but there isn’t enough uniqueness about it to tie it to that event exclusively. (shrug) Ah, well. I suppose it could be that–but, well, not enough there for proof…and there are too many other similar stories all over the planet. They can’t all tie back to the Savior’s visit to North America.

 

[Religio71]

Okay…thanks for telling me so. But in this case, I know that I am right. I know that the questions involved help us to recognize the sinfulness in our lives; thus, to make a more through confession.

Yes, and they are not part of the sacrament of Reconciliation, just like how there is no “breaking” the sacrament of reconciliation.

The end.

 

[dianaiad]

Mesoamericans were not Christians.And neither are Jews and Muslims

People with mythology including ‘savior’ or ‘messiah’ figures who are not named “Jesus” or “Yeshua” generally aren’t, Rebecca. However, people who speak only German don’t understand Catalan, either—but that doesn’t mean that we can’t trace both languages back to Proto-Indo-European.

By the way, I am certain that you are aware that Jews, Muslims and Christians all share the God of Abraham, and Jews and Christians both share the story of the Messiah. The big difference between the three seems to revolve around Him, come to think of it: the Jews think He’s not here yet, the Muslims think he showed up but wasn’t as big a deal as was expected, and the Christians believe that He came and did everything He was prophesied to do. Their religious beliefs and ties are very, very close, though; all worship the same God…and compared to, say…Buddhism, they come close to being identical.

Other than that, it was a very nice non sequitur.

 

[Religio71]

This is an interesting article on Quetzalcoatl that I saw referenced on Jeff Lindsay’s site. It acknowledges that Catholics did try to make Quetzalcoatl seem like Christ to make conversion more approachable, however she also believers that there are other similarities between Quetzalcoatl and Christ, besides those that may come from questionable sources.

mi.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=11&num=1&id=298

 

[RebeccaJ]

People with mythology including ‘savior’ or ‘messiah’ figures generally aren’t, Rebecca.

People who speak only German don’t understand Catalan, either—but that doesn’t mean that we can’t trace both languages back to Proto-Indo-European.

Nice non sequitur, by the way.

If you were Hindu, you could say that the pagan beliefs of Mesoamerica were descended from Hinduism, as Quetzlcoatl had many incarnations, just as the Hindu god Ganesh.

You are applying your own beliefs to other cultures. It is like the story my friend told me of mormon tourists in Rome, interpreting a very Catholic painting in erroneous mormon terms, understanding and belief. It’s inherent to your religion, as it is the very basis of the BoM.

 

[why_me]

A tool to be used before confession. It is also not a tool to be used by tools to tell Catholics they should go to confession. There are many guides to help a Catholic examine their conscience most are based on the ten commandments.

Here are some questions from the first commandment:

Have I willfully doubted or denied any of the teachings of the Church (heresy)?
Have I taken active part in any non-Catholic worship?
Am I a member of any anti-Catholic or any secret society?
Have I practiced any superstitions (horoscopes, fortune tellers, etc.)?

I have said that there are different questions in the manuals. The questions are designed to examine a person’s conscience. And as such, it can lead a person to confession. And I do think that the questions are meant to bring a person closer to god by giving him or her a through examination of conscience because it gives an opportunity to recognize the sinfulness in a person’s life.