Why are people mormon considering it is obvioulsy fabricated?

[zaffiroborant]

Whyme claims to be Mormon AND Catholic. Since you are ignoring his claim to be Catholic and characterize him as a Mormon, then I think I can return the favor.

Not ignoring his claim I just don’t believe it. I’ve read a number of posters over on MADB who claim to be LDS and deliver the same kind of backhanded compliments and advice on improving themselves that whyme does here, I don’t believe they are actually LDS any more that I believe whyme is Catholic.

As to your claim about never saying that the LDS are “stupid, cultich, evil and nasty,” Z…perhaps you should look up the definition of “hypothetical.”

Well you didn’t say hypothetical did you?
"Another situation…not very hypothetical at all."

Oh, remind me. What did I say about Pope Benedict having a nefarious motivation?

In the “change in baptism” thread you were quite sure that the change in LDS baptism was for ugly reasons.

 

[why_me]

I always choose my words carefully. I meant what I said.

Here is Mother Theresa: I feel called to help individuals, to love each human being. I never think in terms of crowds in general but in terms of persons. Were I to think about crowds, I would never begin anything. It is the person that matters. I believe in person to person encounters.

More Mother Theresa: When we all see god in each other, we will love one another as He loves us all. That is the fulfillment of the law, to love one another. This is all Jesus came to teach us: that god loves us, and that He wants us to love one another as He loves us.

Quotations from Mother Theresa’s No Greater Love book.

 

[Religio71]

Here is mother therese: I feel called to help individuals, to love each human being. I never think in terms of crowds in general but in terms of persons. Were I to think about crowds, I would never begin anything. It is the person that matters. I believe in person to person encounters.

More Mother Therese: When we all see god in each other, we will love one another as He loves us all. That is the fulfillment of the law, to love one another. This is all Jesus came to teach us: that god loves us, and that He wants us to love one another as He loves us.

Quotations from Mother Theresa’s No Greater Love book.

I wonder how Mother Theresa thinks we can come to know and love God and one another in the fullest expression…

 

[Elric]

Whyme claims to be Mormon AND Catholic. Since you are ignoring his claim to be Catholic and characterize him as a Mormon, then I think I can return the favor.

As to your claim about never saying that the LDS are “stupid, cultich, evil and nasty,” Z…perhaps you should look up the definition of “hypothetical.”

Oh, remind me. What did I say about Pope Benedict having a nefarious motivation?

Not to be picky, but last time I was here Whyme used to deny that he was a Mormon. It came as a shock to see that he finally admits that he is (kind of).

 

[why_me]

Not to be picky, but last time I was here Whyme used to deny that he was a Mormon. It came as a shock to see that he finally admits that he is (kind of).

Never. I always defended the lds faith on this forum and stated my mormon connection.

 

[why_me]

Whyme claims to be Mormon AND Catholic. Since you are ignoring his claim to be Catholic and characterize him as a Mormon, then I think I can return the favor.

As to your claim about never saying that the LDS are “stupid, cultich, evil and nasty,” Z…perhaps you should look up the definition of “hypothetical.”

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I even get a thrashing when I support my views with the catholic saints. It is quite amazing. You would think that the bashers would be happy that I was learning from the saints. But…nope. Which of course, makes me understand that perhaps some people here may have lost their catholic understandings. The nuns that I know would say: Pray for them. And they would say this about mormons too: Pray for them. No one would say: go to the internet and bash them.

 

[why_me]

I wonder how Mother Theresa thinks we can come to know and love God and one another in the fullest expression…

She had her mission and she did it. The fullest expression would come through acts of love and making it ‘Christ’s love in action’.

 

[Religio71]

dianaiad;5559689:

Whyme claims to be Mormon AND Catholic. Since you are ignoring his claim to be Catholic and characterize him as a Mormon, then I think I can return the favor.

As to your claim about never saying that the LDS are “stupid, cultich, evil and nasty,” Z…perhaps you should look up the definition of “hypothetical.”

QUOTE]

I even get a thrashing when I support my views with the catholic saints. It is quite amazing. You would think that the bashers would be happy that I was learning from the saints. But…nope. Which of course, makes me understand that perhaps some people here may have lost their catholic understandings. The nuns that I know would say: Pray for them. And they would say this about mormons too: Pray for them. No one would say: go to the internet and bash them.

Well they didn’t have the internet, so…

 

[zaffiroborant]

dianaiad;5559689:

Whyme claims to be Mormon AND Catholic. Since you are ignoring his claim to be Catholic and characterize him as a Mormon, then I think I can return the favor.

As to your claim about never saying that the LDS are “stupid, cultich, evil and nasty,” Z…perhaps you should look up the definition of “hypothetical.”

QUOTE]

I even get a thrashing when I support my views with the catholic saints. It is quite amazing. You would think that the bashers would be happy that I was learning from the saints. But…nope. Which of course, makes me understand that perhaps some people here may have lost their catholic understandings. The nuns that I know would say: Pray for them. And they would say this about mormons too: Pray for them. No one would say: go to the internet and bash them.

I don’t see you supporting your views with Catholic saints??? Just a thought but they would not be “Catholic Saints” if they didn’t believe Catholic dogma:shrug:

 

[dianaiad]

Not ignoring his claim I just don’t believe it. I’ve read a number of posters over on MADB who claim to be LDS and deliver the same kind of backhanded compliments and advice on improving themselves that whyme does here, I don’t believe they are actually LDS any more that I believe whyme is Catholic.

Well you didn’t say hypothetical did you?
"Another situation…not very hypothetical at all."

“not very” doesn’t mean “not.” At least, not quite.

In the “change in baptism” thread you were quite sure that the change in LDS baptism was for ugly reasons.

Actually, I was very careful to say that I was speculating, and was doing so in the absence of official Catholic reasoning. However, I will grant you that I think that the reasons at least included those that I mentioned, though I don’t think I used the word ‘ugly’ to describe them.

 

[Elric]

Never. I always defended the lds faith on this forum and stated my mormon connection.

Sorry, but that isnt correct.

Moving on.

Aside from the complete lack of historical evidence to support the LDS claims, you only need to look at the origion of the BoM to see if its true. With all of the editions and thousands of corrections that it has had, you can really only come to one of two conclusions:

1: J. Smith made it all up and is a fraud for presenting it the way that he has.

Or

2: God is incompetent because he cant get someone to translate the word that he wants everyone to follow clearly and properly.

Which one is it?

 

[cthulhubryan]

I have never heard that jesting. Can you reference it?

It was in personal conversations. Just go to your leaders and ask them about it. Talk to someone who is at least in the quorum.

Bryan

 

[cthulhubryan]

We have a glorious choir, y’know.

Oh…and BYU IS a tier 1 school.

Yeah, yeah yeah. But how many Prophets went to BYU?

All joking aside, the Y is a good school. Maybe not as good as the U but still a good school.

Had I been able to afford it I would have heavily considered the Y.

 

[cthulhubryan]

It’s a standard joke, Whyme…a wry acknowledgment that we really aren’t sending our most knowledgeable religious scholars out. Mind you, our young missionaries generally know a whole lot more about their religion than people their age in most other religions know about theirs, but, well…the young men have only had time to put a year of college in before they go, and the young women may have had time to finish college, but most haven’t.

They DO know the basics; and that’s what they are to teach others. The basics of our beliefs.

And it is probably a good experience for them. Two of my nephews went on missions. One was a real problem child and had only recently started to grow up. 3 months in MTC and 21 months in Thailand did wonders for the boy.

 

[Eliza10]

Eliza, you are begging a question here. The thing is, she is not “speaking the truth.” She is critical. Always critical. That’s not a sin—but her claiming that she is NOT always critical is inaccurate. Since you and she both believe that she is “speaking the truth,” why do either one of you object to my saying that she is always critical?

I do see it as “speaking the truth”. Obviously you see it differently. She persists in seeing things wrong with Mormonism, you persist in seeing things right with Mormonism. I still say she is speaking the truth.

 

[Eliza10]

I was talking to whyme ( not that you can’t answer ) and his insistence that Catholics should quit beating people with doctrine. He goes on about this, we should quit pointing out and defending our doctrine because doctrine doesn’t really matter. Just be nice. I just wanted to point out that doctrine is important to LDS, that they are interested in defending and teaching it to others as they should be.

When we defend our doctrine he calls us dogmatists, I don’t see him criticizing LDS posters for doing the same thing If he is going to insist that Catholics should quit wasting their time defending and teaching their faith he should also be calling the LDS on it’s equal waste of time spent on defending and teaching of their doctrine.

If it is a waste of time for Catholics to defend their faith, it is a waste of time for LDS to do the same.

I thought WhyMe was she.
I do think you are making a good point here.

 

[Eliza10]

The old joke “you’re eighteen now, move out while you still know everything” comes into play here. A know it all nineteen year old, on a mission from God, with a inaccurate understanding of what I believe is just…tiresome. Sorry I wasn’t really fond of or patient with teenagers when I was one and I still don’t have any patience with the know it all ones.

 

[Eliza10]

oh, the usual attack. Saw it coming though, with the “I’m in rebellion” comment. Just impossible to believe that I am quite sincere about what I have to say. Explain it away. Demonize me and other former mormons. blah. blah. blah. Been there done that. As predictable as the sunrise.

Whatever. I have nothing to say positive about mormonism, the religion. I see it as nothing but a way to keep people from knowing truth, as it did myself, for most of my life. The people, I have no problem with, other than, they can be as mean and vindictive as they can be nice. Tends to engender this non-trust of mormons. Which definitely, I don’t trust a mormon. Not one.

I didn’t realize you are a former Mormon. It makes more than perfect sense that you would be on this forum. I don’t understand why that does not make perfect sense to Dianaiaid. Frankly it also seems to me that she is demoning your intents.

I do feel that there are things to be admired about Mormonism (certainly not the doctrine or the founders!) But I am looking as an outsider - and there is a lot of emphasis on making the outside look good. If I were an insider like you and saw the strings tied to the good things, I might have the same sentiments.

 

[Eliza10]

And that is your problem which leads you from being a good catholic. .

What?!!

You are judging …
.

And so are you!

How did this thread get to “Whats wrong with Rebecca”? Was it some truth she said you didn’t want to face, so you turned from the criticism to the critic?

 

[Eliza10]

Rebecca knows UT very well, including all the places that mormons DON’T hang out. She can count the number of mormons at her workplace: ZERO. She chose her workplace carefully, and found the best place in the state to work. Good cause. Fun time. Liberal politics. No mormons. She thinks it’s a beautiful gem in the middle of utter madness.

… I love that!:clapping:
Wow, so you were Mormon and you live in the middle of Mormon-land. But God has deserted noplace and I am sure you have found very devout Catholics in UT. I know there are devout Catholic communities in Los Vegas, i.e.