Why are people mormon considering it is obvioulsy fabricated?

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Religio71 said:
And where in the Catechism or any Ecumenical Council is it said that one should not dislike a group of people or another faith to receive the Eucharist?
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Read the questions in the sacrament of reconciliation. If you answer yes to the questions in Love thy Neighbor part, maybe the catholic should not take the communion.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Mormon rumors of this sort are used to promote the BoM as historically viable. Particularly to the gullible and under educated.
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That’s right. The missionaries use the Quetzalcoatl story all the time (at least in the Americas) as evidence of BoM historicity. It sounds very impressive if you accept the story at face value. Most people do.
 
why_me said:
Read the questions in the sacrament of reconciliation. If you answer yes to the questions in Love thy Neighbor part, maybe the catholic should not take the communion.
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You keep talking about “questions in the sacrament of reconciliation” when they are not part of the sacrament of reconciliation.

Do you dislike what the Nazis stood for? I do. Guess I can’t go to Communion…🤷
 
why_me said:
To tell you the truth, I think that I am the most catholic poster on the thread. To my understanding catholics should not be bashing another faith or creed. And I think that I am right that all the bashing of mormons and other creeds or faiths is not at all promoting the catholic faith. Just the opposite.

And since the thread is now 61 pages long, mormonism is not so obviously false.
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You are not Catholic. You were baptized Mormon by your own choice (according to your own testimony.) You continue to claim to have a testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon to this day. In so doing, you have self-excommunicated yourself from the Catholic faith, and if you were knowledgeable about the Catholic faith, you would know that. You are not Catholic. If you were ever a Catholic, you are now a heretic.

This is not “my opinion”, this is Canon Law. You can call it “dogmatic” if you choose. That doesn’t change the facts. In the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are not Catholic. If you were ever Catholic, you would have to remedy these and any other heretical issues before you can receive the Eucharist. To receive the Eucharist in your present status is to court damnation as you are currently in a state of mortal sin. Again, it’s not my opinion, it’s Canon Law.

So no, you are not only NOT the “most Catholic” poster, you are not Catholic at all.

And please, come up with your own material. Stop plagiarizing me.
 
why_me said:
I haven’t seen any rebuke. Could you point me to the thread in question. This was the last catholic thread I was on at MAD.

mormonapologetics.org/topic/44800-president-monson-speaks-at-the-cathedral-of-the-madeleine/

Where was the rebuke? However, one mormon poster was rebuked for giving a catholic a hard time and rightly so, but it wasn’t me. Where is the thread in question?
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Here is another thread that I was on about catholicism but I see no rebuke here:

mormonapologetics.org/topic/44829-should-we-take-the-fight-to-them/
 
Tartini said:
Often the adherents are of a personality that craves acceptance with others, as a “recognized” group of special individuals. It tends to work very effectivly with those who have low self esteems and lower IQs. This mindset is literally impossible to shake, and it is usually a mark of some deep seated psychosis that, in most instances, would not render the victim culpable or guilty of sin.
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I can only assume that your position hasn’t come out of actual personal interaction with Mormons. I know a number of Mormons who are exceptionally intelligent and independently-minded, not to mention kind and loving. They follow their church because they believe it to be true and see value in it, not because they have low self esteem, low IQs or “deep seated psychosis”.
 
Religio71 said:
You keep talking about “questions in the sacrament of reconciliation” when they are not part of the sacrament of reconciliation.

Do you dislike what the Nazis stood for? I do. Guess I can’t go to Communion…🤷
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I have a copy right in front of me. It says: The Sacrament of Reconciliation, Manual for the Penitent. And it lists certain question to ask oneself to prepare for the eucharist.

Here are some questions to ask:

The Fifth Commandment is Broken.
Code: 
1. By anger, quarreling, or threatening, or by injurious or reproachful words, or actions against our neighbors.

2. By revenge, or deliberate thoughts or desires of revenge.

3. By provoking, striking, challenging, wounding, or being the cause of another's death.

4. By bearing malice, refusing to salute or speak to any neighbor out of hatred or aversion, or refusing to be reconciled to him.
cin.org/avatar/examcon.html

Now of course there are different questions depending on the Manual. But those are some that I gleamed from a website.

I wouldn’t consider the mormon church to be supporting Nazi’s and neoNazi’s.
 
gearhead said:
I can only assume that your position hasn’t come out of actual personal interaction with Mormons. I know a number of Mormons who are exceptionally intelligent and independently-minded, not to mention kind and loving. They follow their church because they believe it to be true and see value in it, not because they have low self esteem, low IQs or “deep seated psychosis”.
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As a humanist you are showing more kindness than some so called catholics on this thread toward Mormons. And you are right.

Humanists can be very ethical people and in NYC there is an ethical humanist society that is made up of wonderful and kind people who see great hope in humanity.
 
why_me said:
I have a copy right in front of me. It says: The Sacrament of Reconciliation, Manual for the Penitent. And it lists certain question to ask oneself to prepare for the eucharist.

Here are some questions to ask:

The Fifth Commandment is Broken.
Code: 
1. By anger, quarreling, or threatening, or by injurious or reproachful words, or actions against our neighbors.

2. By revenge, or deliberate thoughts or desires of revenge.

3. By provoking, striking, challenging, wounding, or being the cause of another's death.

4. By bearing malice, refusing to salute or speak to any neighbor out of hatred or aversion, or refusing to be reconciled to him.
cin.org/avatar/examcon.html

Now of course there are different questions depending on the Manual. But those are some that I gleamed from a website.
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Exactly. They are not part of the Sacrament. They are guides for an Examination of Conscience. This talk of “breaking” the sacrament of reconciliation, questions that are part of the sacrament (when they are not, they are part of an examination of conscience, and even then they vary), etc. is very interesting, coming from a Catholic.

But anyway, we all have sinned, and still sin. Your calling out people to go to confession is funny since your believing that Smith was a prophet and supporting the beliefs of the LDS Church, even now, is grounds for confession. So basically, if others need to go to confession, so do you, so stop telling people that they need to go.
 
dianaiad said:
Are you serious? The crazy thing about this is, I believe you actually are. But go ahead; please look at my posts and show me a quote that says I am 'defending a pagan god as part of my religion."
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Diana, be serious. You know as well as we do that every Mormon believes that the Quetzalcoatl myth is a corruption of the story of Jesus’ visit to the Americas a la 3 Nephi, and that the missionaries use it to prove the historicity of the BoM. When I was LDS it was taught often in SS and in LDS magazines like the Ensign and was taken for granted by everyone I knew.
 
why me:
Read the questions in the sacrament of reconciliation. If you answer yes to the questions in Love thy Neighbor part, maybe the catholic should not take the communion.
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There are no questions in the sacrament of reconciliation, except that the priest usually asks, “what are your sins?”. If you were ever really Catholic you would know that.
 
Synneve said:
I heard a presentation just the other day, for example, in which a geneticist pointed out that one Amerindian haplotype that has been identified recently appears to be connected, very distinctly and uniquely, with the Druze population of Mount Lebanon.
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Truly? Can you provide references? I’m not challenging you but am simply interested in reading this information.
Synneve said:
To anybody who has actually paid serious attention to this issue, that’s putting it very, very mildly.
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I intended it as an understatement. Proving a negative is extremely difficult.
 
Latter Day Saints believe that neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit is God, that only the Father is. The first chapter of John is enough to disprove this theory, in my opinion.

And also, they believe that God (the Father) was once a man “As man now is, God once was.”, and he achieved Godhood through righteousness, much like Mormons believe they can attain Godhood through righteousness.

This, to me, suggests that God is not eternal, that he is changeable, which goes against everything I believe about God. That’s just my thoughts.
 
PaulDupre said:
There are no questions in the sacrament of reconciliation, except that the priest usually asks, “what are your sins?”. If you were ever really Catholic you would know that.
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The examination of concience is a prelude for confession. The questions give us something to think about and if we find ourselves lacking, we should go the priest to confess. The questions cover a great deal that can be overlooked by a person who does not have them to use as a guide.
 
why_me said:
I have a copy right in front of me. It says: The Sacrament of Reconciliation, Manual for the Penitent. And it lists certain question to ask oneself to prepare for the eucharist.

Here are some questions to ask:

The Fifth Commandment is Broken.
Code: 
1. By anger, quarreling, or threatening, or by injurious or reproachful words, or actions against our neighbors.

2. By revenge, or deliberate thoughts or desires of revenge.

3. By provoking, striking, challenging, wounding, or being the cause of another's death.

4. By bearing malice, refusing to salute or speak to any neighbor out of hatred or aversion, or refusing to be reconciled to him.
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You have never been Catholic.
Everytime you post something like this you look more foolish.
 
zaffiroborant said:
That’s the thread where an LDS commented on your posts.
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You mean this post by a catholic:

blueadept

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ChristKnight, on 11 August 2009 - 02:59 PM, said:

I don’t think it’s as one sided as you are making it seem.

Apparently you do not participate in the catholic.com forum that ‘why me’ is referring to. In that particular venue it is that one-sided and I’ll attest to that as a Catholic and seen some of the one-sided conversations that ‘why me’ has been involved with.

In regards to President Monson speaking at the Cathedral, the ecumenical relationship between the Diocese of SLC and the LDS church is well known.

I think that blueadept spoke volumes in his post.
 
Synneve said:
Look. Let’s just put it this way: Offering up an unidentified Arab’s reaction to a simplistic partial explanation of the NHM issue doesn’t impress me. And, given my background, there’s utterly no reason why it should. The odds are overwhelmingly high that I’m more qualified, linguistically, to evaluate the significance of the occurrence of the triliteral root NHM on a seventh-century-BC Arabian altarpiece than he is.
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More information please.
 
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