Why are people mormon considering it is obvioulsy fabricated?

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Religio71 said:
This is an interesting article on Quetzalcoatl that I saw referenced on Jeff Lindsay’s site. It acknowledges that Catholics did try to make Quetzalcoatl seem like Christ to make conversion more approachable, however she also believers that there are other similarities between Quetzalcoatl and Christ, besides those that may come from questionable sources.

mi.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=11&num=1&id=298
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Thank you for including this article.

I have been so deeply confused by the barrage of criticism I have received over my statement that the story of Quetzalcoatl did not prove that the Book of Mormon was true (the entire argument was turned on its head, in fact!) that I completely missed the ironic nature of the criticism.

I was actually criticized for believing the “Catholic PR” version of the tale? Say what?

Man, talk about damned if I do, and damned if I don’t…😉
 
Religio71 said:
Yes, and they are not part of the sacrament of Reconciliation, just like how there is no “breaking” the sacrament of reconciliation.

The end.
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Well, my copy says: The Sacrament of Reconciliation: Manual for the Penitent. It tells why we should confess, how we should confess, and what we should confess. I would say that as I answer those questions and those answers show that I have sin that should be confessed and don’t and if I take communion, I am breaking something.
 
why_me said:
Well, my copy says: The Sacrament of Reconciliation: Manual for the Penitent. It tells why we should confess, how we should confess, and what we should confess. I would say that as I answer those questions and those answers show that I have sin that should be confessed and don’t and if I take communion, I am breaking something.
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The examination of conscience is not part of the Sacrament. The sacrament occurs when you are in the confessional or sitting in front of an icon of Christ. The examination is a preparation for the sacrament, not part of the sacrament itself. The name of your manual does not mean anything, there are many “manuals” or guides.

freewebs.com/seraph/confess.htm

Is that the manual? If so, read starting at “Celebrating the Sacrament of Reconciliation”. As you can see, those questions occur BEFORE celebrating the sacrament, not during. Understand this.

If you take Eucharist in a state of mortal sin, you are breaking the rules for partaking in the Eucharist, not breaking the sacrament of Reconciliation. It’s really quite simple.
 
Dee_Dee_King said:
With all of the evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that mormonism is a sham, why do people still buy into it? It almost makes me think that reason will not always work in apologetics. its as if mormonism (and islam among others) trivialize faith by making it appear unreasonable.
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Mormonism was made up by a sad confused little boy called Joseph Smith who probably needed mental help.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=367616
 
dianaiad said:
Thank you for including this article.

I have been so deeply confused by the barrage of criticism I have received over my statement that the story of Quetzalcoatl did not prove that the Book of Mormon was true (the entire argument was turned on its head, in fact!) that I completely missed the ironic nature of the criticism.

I was actually criticized for believing the “Catholic PR” version of the tale? Say what?

Man, talk about damned if I do, and damned if I don’t…😉
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Haha, I’d just drop the Quetzalcoatl conversation I guess. It’s pretty interesting to read about, as I personally had never heard of any possible associations. But the whole mixup of valid stories or stories that were embellished to help with conversion makes it a little more difficult to actually understand.
 
RebeccaJ said:
If you were Hindu, you could say that the pagan beliefs of Mesoamerica were descended from Hinduism, as Quetzlcoatl had many incarnations, just as the Hindu god Ganesh.

You are applying your own beliefs to other cultures. It is like the story my friend told me of mormon tourists in Rome, interpreting a very Catholic painting in erroneous mormon terms, understanding and belief. It’s inherent to your religion, as it is the very basis of the BoM.
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(sigh) There are none so blind as those who are tuned to a different channel.
 
Religio71 said:
The examination of conscience is not part of the Sacrament. The sacrament occurs when you are in the confessional or sitting in front of an icon of Christ. The examination is a preparation for the sacrament, not part of the sacrament itself. The name of your manual does not mean anything, there are many “manuals” or guides.

freewebs.com/seraph/confess.htm

Is that the manual? If so, read starting at “Celebrating the Sacrament of Reconciliation”. As you can see, those questions occur BEFORE celebrating the sacrament, not during. Understand this.

If you take Eucharist in a state of mortal sin, you are breaking the rules for partaking in the Eucharist, not breaking the sacrament of Reconciliation. It’s really quite simple.
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That is the manual. But I have a paper copy of it. I think that you are nitpicking. But the point that I was trying to make is this: In the love thy neighbor section many catholics who post against mormons and mormonism here would fail those questions. Thus, they are sinning.
 
why_me said:
That is the manual. But I have a paper copy of it. I think that you are nitpicking. But the point that I was trying to make is this: In the love thy neighbor section many catholics who post against mormons and mormonism here would fail those questions. Thus, they are sinning.
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It’s not nitpicking. You said something is part of the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and it is not. Plain and simple.

Posting against the false teachings of Mormonism (from the Catholic perspective) is not breaking any commandments. Plain and simple. It is also a sin to believe any of the unique beliefs of Mormonism, including the veracity of the Book of Mormon, the First Vision, and the visions of the witnesses. Plain and simple.
 
Religio71 said:
Haha, I’d just drop the Quetzalcoatl conversation I guess. It’s pretty interesting to read about, as I personally had never heard of any possible associations. But the whole mixup of valid stories or stories that were embellished to help with conversion makes it a little more difficult to actually understand.
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I enjoy the topic, but it’s a lot more involved than superficial (or even more than superficial) comparisons to the Book of Mormon description of Jesus’ visit to the Americas. I have only briefly dipped into the field myself, and it’s been awhile–it’s one of those things that I want to do when.

However, I got ‘into’ the whole thing when I was examining folk and fairy stories from various European cultures, and got to comparing them with the folktales of the far East (and of Russia), China, Korea, Japan…as well as the south sea Islands and even Australian aborigines (whose stories, you would think, would vary the most…) and found almost Jungian archetypes in all of them: the Hero, the Mentor, the “Threshold Guardians,” the Shadow (threat) the Herald, the Trickster and the Shapeshifter (or betrayer).

I look at the story of Christ, and I can certainly identify all of these archetypes in it.

So…the definition of ‘archetype’ is “model upon which characters are molded.” My own theory (tentative, and of course based on a most unscientific premise) is that God, having taught His children (us) from the beginning, established those archetypes…and we as a species/race/whatever have been attempting to recreate them ever since.
 
Mormons believe that God was a human and walked the Earth as a man, flesh and blood.
 
Joseph Campbell’s “The Power of Myth” PBS series and book was one of the defining factors for me going atheist. That was more than 20 years ago. Every once in a while I see his comparative mythology surface again.

I don’t believe that all mythologies have the root in one divine truth. Rather, I see that God calls all to Him and the myths (aka false gods) have to be left behind. This is what God continually called the Hebrews to do, yet, mormons have picked up the Hebrew pagan beliefs as a “restoration”. 🤷
 
why_me said:
That is the manual. But I have a paper copy of it. I think that you are nitpicking. But the point that I was trying to make is this: In the love thy neighbor section many catholics who post against mormons and mormonism here would fail those questions. Thus, they are sinning.
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What about the sin of claiming to be Catholic, being baptized as a Mormon, attending Mormon meetings, claiming to have a testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon and receiving Catholic Eucharist while in this status? This is receiving the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin and is courting damnation.

Yet based on your posts, this is what you do. Shouldn’t you clean up your own problems first before you seek to preach to others? If you’re receiving the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin you’ve got way bigger problems to fix for yourself, you don’t have time to preach to others about manuals concerning the preparation for the sacrament of reconciliation!

But you never address these questions, you always skip them. Very telling.
 
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