Why are people mormon considering it is obvioulsy fabricated?

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dianaiad said:
I knew you didn’t understand the fallacy of composition. You are accusing me of it…when in reality you are guilty. Fallacies of composition come in several flavors, y’know.
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The fallacy of composition is just as I described it in post #1130. But don’t feel bad, it is very common when Mormons can’t defend Mormonism, and there are other Mormons on this board that resort to it quicker than you do.
dianaiad said:
The only way you can divorce the Catholic church as a whole from the actions of the church in America is to claim that that geographical branch of the church is not Catholic; as separate from you as the Baptists, or the Lutherans…or us. Is that really what you want to claim?
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I don’t have to ‘divorce the Catholic church as a whole from the actions of the church in America. The American Church is a PART of the WHOLE Church. A fallacy of composition arises when one argues from the part to the whole; ignoring the fact that what is true for the part is not necessarily true for the whole. The WHOLE Catholic Church has never been racist, but there are racist (PARTS) in the Catholic Church. In 1973, the Mormons I knew (PARTS) were not racists, but the Mormon Church (WHOLE) was racist in regards to its priesthood. I knew the difference between the PART, I knew, and the WHOLE. You are so anti-catholic you can’t see the difference.
 
Religio71 said:
The Catholic Church is not centered in the USA, nor does the US Church dictate Church practice.
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Here are some highlights of the US Catholic Church:
In the 16th century, being a Catholic priest in England was treason.
1697 South Carolina grants religious liberty to all except ‘papaist’
1700 All priests were ordered out of New York.
1701 New Jersey grants religious tolerance to all except ‘papist’
1776 Eight percent of Blacks were free.
1776 North Carolina denies Catholics the right to vote.
1777 New York requires Catholics to renounce the Pope to be a citizen.
1788 First public (not hidden from the government) Mass was held in Massachusetts. It was illegal to be Catholic there until statehood.
**1789 the first Catholic diocese was established in US. This starts the US Catholic Church. **
1790 South Carolina give Catholics the right to vote.
1791 First Catholic Seminary in US established.
1793 All laws, in Vermont, discriminating against Catholic were repealed.
During the Civil War period 2.5 per cent of all blacks were catholic.
1844 New Jersey grants Catholic full civil rights.
1864 First son of a slave becomes a priest.
1865 Civil War Ends
1868 North Carolina grants full civil liberties to Catholics.
1886 First son of slave parents becomes a priest
1908 US Catholic Church removed from mission status.
 
yankee_doodle said:
doesn’t the church of LDS think Catholics are evil (or something to that effect). Man bud you must be caught in a pretty peculiar dilemma?
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No, mormons do not think that catholics are evil. In fact, most lds have a great deal of respect for catholics. And many catholics have a great deal of respect for mormons. There is a certain unity of respect.

Most people do not get involved in doctrinal differences. Most people just go to church, worship god and try their best to live a good christian life. And in this, both mormons and catholics are united.
 
Stephen168 said:
The fallacy of composition is just as I described it in post #1130. But don’t feel bad, it is very common when Mormons can’t defend Mormonism, and there are other Mormons on this board that resort to it quicker than you do.

I don’t have to ‘divorce the Catholic church as a whole from the actions of the church in America. The American Church is a PART of the WHOLE Church. A fallacy of composition arises when one argues from the part to the whole; ignoring the fact that what is true for the part is not necessarily true for the whole. The WHOLE Catholic Church has never been racist, but there are racist (PARTS) in the Catholic Church. In 1973, the Mormons I knew (PARTS) were not racists, **but the Mormon Church (WHOLE) was racist in regards to its priesthood. ** I knew the difference between the PART, I knew, and the WHOLE. You are so anti-catholic you can’t see the difference.
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I am not sure if this all makes any sense especially calling Diana anticatholic.
 
people buy into mormonism becuse it teaches that they can become “gods” they think the serpent in eden was speaking truth. mormonism feeds the ego which is what draws people to it. it is a “church” of the anti-christ becuse it teaches people to behave like satan putting themselves equal or better to god.
 
jpk1313 said:
people buy into mormonism becuse it teaches that they can become “gods” they think the serpent in eden was speaking truth. mormonism feeds the ego which is what draws people to it. it is a “church” of the anti-christ becuse it teaches people to behave like satan putting themselves equal or better to god.
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The serpent in Eden was Satan in disguise! That’s clear! How can anyone get that wrong? No one can become a God, that’s a lie no matter when the lie is told! :confused:
 
The Mormon occult is nothing but an occult of 16 Million which is pretty small considering other religions and that 16 million also include those who are no longer practicing. Being mormon is anti catholic by mormon teaching which claims the pope is an antichrist and that the catholic church is evil. You will easily find writings from Joseph Smith and other presidents claiming this more than once! and obviousley Gods holy catholic church proclaims the LDS are heretics obviousely for more than one reason!

For one to become Mormon is either young and foolish, uneducated and not taking god seriouse enough, or simply fake wanting to be a part of somthing even if it is an occult.

It is our responsability as christians to do what Christ asked and help others and what better way than to help prevent there damnation for joining such an blasphemous occult.
 
jake23 said:
The Mormon occult is nothing but an occult of 16 Million which is pretty small considering other religions and that 16 million also include those who are no longer practicing. Being mormon is anti catholic by mormon teaching which claims the pope is an antichrist and that the catholic church is evil. You will easily find writings from Joseph Smith and other presidents claiming this more than once! and obviousley Gods holy catholic church proclaims the LDS are heretics obviousely for more than one reason!

For one to become Mormon is either young and foolish, uneducated and not taking god seriouse enough, or simply fake wanting to be a part of somthing even if it is an occult.

It is our responsability as christians to do what Christ asked and help others and what better way than to help prevent there damnation for joining such an blasphemous occult.
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Jake I totally agrre with just about everything you said except why people become Mormon to begin with. See I grew up in the LDS church, all of my family is LDS, they still are in fact. Its hard when you don’t have any support around you to educate yourself about God and his grace. Questions in the LDS faith are frowned upon. However I found the truth and made my way to the Catholic Church “Praise God”

Mormons do believe the Catholic Church is the Church of the Devil. Bruce R McConkey in his book “Mormon Doctrine” 1st edition came out and said it word for word, the LDS Church mad him revise his statement to what the current edition states today. Another of the many inconsistencies within the Mormon church. This was a member of the “Twelve Apostles” in the LDS faith, so if he has authority given him of God to speak for the whole of the church why did he have to change his stement?
Anyway No you can’t be Mormon and Catholic at the same time. It is the same as serving two masters, and we know what the scriptures say about that.
 
Dee_Dee_King said:
With all of the evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that mormonism is a sham, why do people still buy into it? It almost makes me think that reason will not always work in apologetics. its as if mormonism (and islam among others) trivialize faith by making it appear unreasonable.
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I ask the same about religion in general?
 
=Dee Dee King-With all of the evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that mormonism is a sham, why do people still buy into it? It almost makes me think that reason will not always work in apologetics. its as if mormonism (and islam among others) trivialize faith by making it appear unreasonable.
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***Perhaps friend the answer lies in understanding why and how, with only ONE TRUTH possible for any specific isue, there can be IN EXCESS of 30, 000 Protestant sects with varying beliefs.

Could it be “that Faith is a Gift?”

Love and prayers,***
 
indeed, there can be only one (pillar of truth that is) … I’ll give everyone a hint, he’s a Yankee 😃
 
Yankee, you need to put things in perspective.

No one blamed the US Army for the actions of one lieutenant in the My Lai massacre. What he did was against Army regulations. The same reasoning applies with the sex scandal. What those priests did was against the Catholic Church teachings. They acted on their own. When Rome found out about it they took corrective action. Just FYI, more sex abuse takes place in the home, next in line is the schools. And non-Catholic religions have had their fair share of sexual problems.

The bible was given to the world by the Catholic Church through the Holy Spirit. I’m surprised you actually have to ask as it is part of history. All you had to do was look it up.
 
ricko said:
Yankee, you need to put things in perspective.

No one blamed the US Army for the actions of one lieutenant in the My Lai massacre. What he did was against Army regulations. The same reasoning applies with the sex scandal. What those priests did was against the Catholic Church teachings. They acted on their own. When Rome found out about it they took corrective action. Just FYI, more sex abuse takes place in the home, next in line is the schools. And non-Catholic religions have had their fair share of sexual problems.

The bible was given to the world by the Catholic Church through the Holy Spirit. I’m surprised you actually have to ask as it is part of history. All you had to do was look it up.
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I don’t think I mentioned the CC sex abuse scandal in this thread? But anyway, IMO Christianity (and Judaism) is a byproduct of earlier pagan myth, that developed in a superstitious ancient culture, and was thrust on the western world by an imperial empire who themselves were a superstitious people predisposed to bizarre religious ritual.

So it’s not like I suddenly became irreligious because 4% of your churches clergy were raping or manipulating young boys into criminal homosexual relations. Don’t get me wrong, it certainly doesn’t hurt my case … but at its core my objections are intellectual.
 
It is a human shortcoming that some people put on a religious facade to hide their sinful shortcomings, and that some of those shortcomings are very serious. It is a human shortcoming that some people believe that religious facade, and let people get away with murder and child sexual abuse and other sins (crimes) that are offenses against God and humanity.

It is a human shortcoming that people are capable of using religion to justify sin. That does not make all religion bad.
 
Jerusha said:
It is a human shortcoming that some people put on a religious facade to hide their sinful shortcomings, and that some of those shortcomings are very serious. It is a human shortcoming that some people believe that religious facade, and let people get away with murder and child sexual abuse and other sins (crimes) that are offenses against God and humanity.

It is a human shortcoming that people are capable of using religion to justify sin. That does not make all religion bad.
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In the case of Catholic priests having a problem with pedophilia…c’mon…people need to give that a rest.

We have a couple of things going on here; first, yes, there have been some pedophile priests…and that is probably quite deliberate on the part of the pedophiles. Predators go where the prey is…and since the priesthood gives access to children in a capacity of trust, then that’s where a pedophile will go to find his victims; not because Catholicism promotes that sort of behavior (because it most definitely does NOT) but because priests are trusted and trustworthy.

A wolf, in other words, doesn’t don the clothing of another WOLF, does he?

So it’s not that the priesthood produces pedophiles. It’s that pedophiles choose the priesthood because the very nature of the job gives them access to victims. They choose the priesthood for the same reason that they might choose to be scoutleaders, or teachers, or…??? It’s camouflage.

The biggest problem the church has with this isn’t that it is wicked, or that it promotes such behavior; it is that, even after 1500 years, nobody wants to believe that men would actually use the church…and the priesthood…like that. It’s not something anybody wants to think about, that such evil would deliberately choose to hide itself in a system devoted to do good.

Because of this, the church had a few problems knowing exactly how to deal with it. I wish it didn’t have to learn the hard way, though. I wish it weren’t a lesson that needed learning. However, it was, they did…and the vetting process for prospective priests, I hope, will be considerably more stringent from now on.
 
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