Why are there a lot of misinformed and frankly uneducated Catholics that frown upon orthodox Church teachings and Traditions that were otherwise belov

[MagdalenaRita]

Major gap in your logic. Many Catholics don’t see these as problems. They see them as solutions and reason to celebrate since we need to “get with the rest of Christianity” even though the rest of Christianity left Catholicism (notice how the ecumenical movement has one direction = Catholics becoming less Catholic)

Yes correct. Many Catholics do not see these things as problems because these are things that they want. They want what the rest of the world has.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

But grave sin is not a non traditionalist hallmark. It is a problem with traditionalists as well.

Understood.
But what Fr. Ripperger said was entirely anecdotal. He cited no statistics or studies of traditionalists. He just tossed out his opinion based on what he hears in confession or in conferences.
What is the level of unbelief? We’ve got the data on the American Church.
It is a huge difference to fall into sin, which one knows and believes one much repent of, than of affirming that something is not a sin at all (going against defined teaching).
That’s the problem. People are denying the teaching. This does not happen in traditional parishes.

Fr Ripperger is a very well respected and credible traditionalist Priest. But your comment demonstrates the very gnostic attitude that he is talking about as being a huge problem in traditionalist circles. That is believing that they know better than the teaching Church, what is true. They are rejecting the authority that we have traditionally accepted as a core tenet of the Church. Irony.

 

[Bill_B_NY]

Major gap in your logic. Many Catholics don’t see these as problems. They see them as solutions and reason to celebrate since we need to “get with the rest of Christianity” even though the rest of Christianity left Catholicism (notice how the ecumenical movement has one direction = Catholics becoming less Catholic)

ha ha - good point! Yes, exactly.
They think they found the solutions to why Catholicism is out-of-touch. We merely need to change and become like them. Problem solved!

 

[Bill_B_NY]

That is believing that they know better than the teaching Church, what is true. They are rejecting the authority that we have traditionally accepted as a core tenet of the Church. Irony.

Well, I understand why you might think that.
Keep in mind, Fr. Ripperger was part of the FSSP - a group that fought directly against the Church (in its origins).
If we didn’t fight the hierarchy, we wouldn’t have TLMs in most dioceses. I was involved - we had to fight the bishop.
Where people make a mistake is that they think obedience means that the bishops are always correct, and that it is not possible for laypeople to know more than they do about what God wants.
The history of the Church shows a much different story.
It’s not Gnosticism to know the truth about things.

 

[Bill_B_NY]

Fr Ripperger is a very well respected and credible traditionalist Priest.

It’s clear that you didn’t understand my point, and you said nothing in reply.
I think it goes to the topic, I presented facts and your response is that Fr. Ripperger is respected. And that’s an answer?

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Fr Ripperger is a very well respected and credible traditionalist Priest. But your comment demonstrates the very gnostic attitude that he is talking about as being a huge problem in traditionalist circles. That is believing that they know better than the teaching Church, what is true. They are rejecting the authority that we have traditionally accepted as a core tenet of the Church. Irony.

Problem is, many do not want to hear or accept the rest of what Fr. Ripperger has to say, only that one talk, which is really only part of a longer talk.

 

[Bill_B_NY]

Problem is, many do not want to hear or accept the rest of what Fr. Ripperger has to say, only that one talk, which is really only part of a longer talk.

If people think that Fr. Ripperger does not “bash” the modern Church …. oh my. They have a big surprise in store for them.

 

[DeniseNY]

Really? Who says Ronan Rite Catholics aren’t Catholic?

 

[Bill_B_NY]

Really? Who says Ronan Rite Catholics aren’t Catholic?

You don’t think there is anyone who tries to forbid them from worshipping in their Rite? Or claim that they are in opposition to the Church?

 

[DeniseNY]

Who says they aren’t Catholic?

 

[Bill_B_NY]

Who says they aren’t Catholic?

The people who say that they are not Catholic, that’s who.

 

[Irishmom2]

Whaaat? That doesn’t even make sense.

 

[DeniseNY]

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[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

Fr Ripperger is a very well respected and credible traditionalist Priest.

It’s clear that you didn’t understand my point, and you said nothing in reply.
I think it goes to the topic, I presented facts and your response is that Fr. Ripperger is respected. And that’s an answer?

I think if you genuinely believed in the superiority of traditionalism you wouldn’t be basing your judgement on numbers.

Luke 12 47 That slave who knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself or do what was wanted, will receive a severe beating. 48 But the one who did not know and did what deserved a beating will receive a light beating. From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded.

 

[Emeraldlady]

DeniseNY:

Who says they aren’t Catholic?

The people who say that they are not Catholic, that’s who.

Where’s the percentage?

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

People who do not love the Catholic tradition, tell people who do love it, what they should or shouldn’t believe and do.

Literally nobody here has said you can’t have the TLM. Numerous posters have told me, however, that I can’t have the OF.

 

[ioannes_pius]

If you don’t mind me asking, OP, what is your Instagram username?

 

[Bill_B_NY]

Literally nobody here has said you can’t have the TLM.

I’m talking about bishops, priests, various diocesan administrators who oppose it.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

You find some people to be insulting. You do not like this (or them?).

You were doing the same thing a while ago.

 

[Mark121359]

I have been on this forum a year and I have literally only ever seen “traditionalists” bashing fellow Catholics as “liberal” for not exclusively attending the Extraordinary Form.

Oh really??? Then you must have missed the post below that basically says that the majority of Latin Mass attendees are judgemental, arrogant and lack charity. But hey…I’ve been called worse.

I grew up in the TM. I will never go again. The arrogance and lack of charity was astounding. The judgement for others rife…the attitude of the majority is a turn off for me.