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[water]

Why even bother with scripture then? It was all written by fallible people too.

Good question.

 

[MrS]

I find it very interesting that you guys think that by being humble automatically means something bad or weak.

I am the one who questioned humility… it by no means implies weakness… but rather strenght.

My comment was that I questioned, only questioned, the existence of humility in someone whom you present as more learned ( his being a minister, I make this assumption).

If he is … he will know in his gut that some things he has believed in are just not quite right… And I sense that you might be in this same boat.

Nor is humility bad… if it is I am in trouble…

no…not because I have so much … but because I truly recognize my need for more.

Your minister may feel led by the Holy Spirit… but I still insist that the Holy Spirit is not the God of division.

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[lak611]

I find it very interesting that you guys think that by being humble automatically means something bad or weak.

MATT. 23:12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Luke 14:11For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

I don’t. I think humility is one of the most important virtues. I wish I had more of it. It is something I pray for.

 

[jmcrae]

I find it very interesting that you guys think that by being humble automatically means something bad or weak.

Humility is when we know our limitations and do our best anyway. Not pretending to be worse than we really are, or than we think we are.

If your pastor really thought he was no better than anyone else, he’d sit in the pews and not draw attention to himself - instead, there he is, up front, giving the teaching. Obviously, he doesn’t consider it very likely that he could be wrong, or else he wouldn’t even dare to try to teach the People of God, would he?

Unless he thinks it doesn’t matter if he’s wrong, which is an even worse problem - he doesn’t think it matters whether you are taught what is true, or not, and he is cheerfully willing to lead you astray.

 

[believers]

Evangelicals sing this in their praise services:
“There is no Rock, there is no God like ours”
So you see, Peter isn’t the Rock; it’s in their songs.

1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1Cr 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

 

[believers]

Why even bother with scripture then? It was all written by fallible people too.

No it wasn’t. Men may have pushed the pen but the inspiration was from God. He’s infallible and so is His Word.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Psa 119:140 Thy word [is] very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.

Pro 30:5 Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

 

[jmcrae]

No it wasn’t. Men may have pushed the pen but the inspiration was from God. He’s infallible and so is His Word.

So the Apostles were infallible when they were writing Scripture?

(But their successors can’t be infallible when teaching about faith and morals? What about when writing about them - could they be infallible then?)

 

[Kay_Cee]

Originally Posted by Kay Cee forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
You left one out. To understand scripture one must also have scripture!

This, of course, gets back into questions like:

1) How do we know we have the correct canon?
*2) What did people do in ages past to determine correct doctrine when Bibles were not so available? *

That is a whole other thread topic:thumbsup:

Yes, you and have have discussed those topics, without resolution.

However, my comments were directed at someone else.

 

[water]

No it wasn’t. Men may have pushed the pen but the inspiration was from God. He’s infallible and so is His Word.

so, it is valid to say these men are infallible because the work of God are demonstrated through them - without God they cannot do anything.

 

[VociMike]

No it wasn’t. Men may have pushed the pen but the inspiration was from God. He’s infallible and so is His Word.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Yes it was. The writers of scripture were not robots or puppets. But that aside, if God can inspire men to write the correct things, why can’t He inspire men to remember and teach the true faith?

 

[believers]

I am not sure who said that but being humble and humility are very important in Christians’ life. I’ve seen people with hard-headed, don’t want to listen to others because they think they know all that or because they think they don’t listen to anyone besides God.

It’s very important.

Mat 18:4
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 23:12
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

2Cr 12:21
[And] lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and [that] I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

Jam 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. This verse is repeated in 1Pe 5:5

Jam 4:10
Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

1Pe 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

Pro 15:33
The fear of the LORD [is] the instruction of wisdom; and before honour [is] humility.

Pro 18:12
Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour [is] humility.

Pro 22:4
By humility [and] the fear of the LORD [are] riches, and honour, and life.

 

[water]

It’s very important.

but there are people demonstrating the opposites right on this board.

 

[believers]

Yes it was. The writers of scripture were not robots or puppets. But that aside, if God can inspire men to write the correct things, why can’t He inspire men to remember and teach the true faith?

The Word of God is God-breathed. Period. If you have a problem with that then I suggest you repent.

 

[water]

Yes it was. The writers of scripture were not robots or puppets. But that aside, if God can inspire men to write the correct things, why can’t He inspire men to remember and teach the true faith?

There comes the Tradition. A pen is just a tool being used to express one’s thoughts which had and are being inspired by the Holy Spirit.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

If your pastor really

thought he was no better than anyone else, he’d sit in the pews and not draw attention to himself - Well, I would say the same thing about all the priests, the bishops, the popes etc. They were all called to teach and preach the gospel but that does not make them better then anyone else it just means they are using their spiritual gifts from God. It also doesnt make them 100% right all the time. If preacher,bishop,pope,priest thinks that then they are being arrogant and sinful.

instead, there he is, up front, giving the teaching. Obviously, he doesn’t consider it very likely

that he could be wrong, or else he wouldn’t even dare to try to teach the People of God, would he? Yes but the fact that he is open to rebuke doesnt mean he cant teach others it just simply means he is not a know it all.

Romans 12:3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
My minister does not think he is better then anyone else. Noone should think that they are better then anyone else.

Unless he thinks it doesn’t matter

if he’s wrong, which is an even worse problem - he doesn’t think it matters whether you are taught what is true, or not, and he is cheerfully willing to lead you astray.

Absolutely not. I hope there are no preachers/priest/bishops/popes that would ever think that way
I use to be a teacher and because I had this title my kids think I should know everything about everything. I told them that just because I am a teacher doesnt mean I know all there is to know about everything.

 

[jmcrae]

The Word of God is God-breathed. Period. If you have a problem with that then I suggest you repent.

I don’t think anyone here has a problem with that.

What we have a problem with is that you guys seem to be saying that the HolyTradition is not God-breathed, even though it is equally as much The Word of God as the Scriptures are.

 

[believers]

Yes it was. The writers of scripture were not robots or puppets. But that aside, if God can inspire men to write the correct things, why can’t He inspire men to remember and teach the true faith?

What is the true faith?

 

[ALLFORHIM]

It’s very important.

Mat 18:4
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 23:12
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

2Cr 12:21
[And] lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and [that] I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

Jam 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. This verse is repeated in 1Pe 5:5

Jam 4:10
Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

1Pe 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

Pro 15:33
The fear of the LORD [is] the instruction of wisdom; and before honour [is] humility.

Pro 18:12
Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour [is] humility.

Pro 22:4
By humility [and] the fear of the LORD [are] riches, and honour, and life.

Thank you believers I was going to put the rest of those up but you beat me to it. God hates arrogance and people who think they know it all. The only way we can learn the truth is to be humble and open to it not prideful and think we have all the answers. Because there is noone on this earth who has all the answers to biblical teachings.

 

[believers]

I don’t think anyone here has a problem with that.

What we have a problem with is that you guys seem to be saying that the HolyTradition is not God-breathed, even though it is equally as much The Word of God as the Scriptures are.

Unless your tradition is listed in the Word of God, then it’s not God-breathed and certainly not Holy.

 

[water]

Unless your tradition is listed in the Word of God, then it’s not God-breathed and certainly not Holy.

Scripture alone again. This argument can go on and on forver!