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ALLFORHIM
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Thank you:thumbsup:
"Why are there so many different Christian interpretations? If all Christians have th
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MrS
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That’s alright Mark… some will see your point… that not everything and every truth is stated so clearly in Scripture
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twiggymoo
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ALLFORHIM,Hi,
This comment was truly uncalled for and I would appreciate it if you would refrain from mocking evangelicals. This comment did offend me because I do sing that song in church. I do not mock any songs sung in a catholic church and I would expect the same courtesy from you or any other catholics here.
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I was not mocking evangelicals but merely stating a fact. I still attend an evangelical church and I do have issues with their music - serious issues. It is my belief that Philistines have taken over church music programs - but that’s for another thread.
How is my statement mocking evangelicals? Is it not true that they don’t see Peter as the Rock Jesus named?
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ALLFORHIM
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Hi,
I guess I felt the way you presented it you being sarcastic and mocking. If it was not intended that way then I am sorry. It is so difficult to understand tone over the internet.
Yes we do not see Peter as the rock.
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MrS
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ALLFORHIM… that is a powerful statement…
Would you mind applying, for the sake of discussion, to any of many Bible verses.
to digress… I again use this example (certainly not a Bible verse, but workable just the same…)
"I did not say that you stole the money."
“I did not say that you stole the money.”
“I did not say that you stole the money.”
“I did not say that you stole the money.”
“I did not say that you stole the money.”
If you say the sentence with emphasis on the word in red… do you see how many different “interpretations” that exist for just one sentence.
Catholics, as we all do, accept that there is difficulty in reading much of Scripture… so we ask the writer just what he meant… and if the writer is deceased, we ask those whom he taught… and if they are gone, we ask those who they taught… and so on.
The unbroken line of teaching gives the Catholic Church more insight to the meaning of Scripture than found anywhere else.
It is when you depart from the teaching Magisterium, that another “interpretation” or denomination will be formed.
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ncgolf
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If you do not mind can you give a real example of an incorrect interpretation. I am curious to know how someone may be totally wrong versus a misplaced emphasis, out of context. I still wonder how, unless there is a standard, he could be wrong. Did he just accept another interpretation as possible or is an admission of I totally got that wrong.
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VociMike
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The faith taught to, entrusted to and guarded by the Church which Christ founded, the Catholic Church.
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mrs_abbott
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Where did you get your answer from?
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ALLFORHIM
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Well, as far as my minister goes I cant give you a specific example because he has not said anything I disagree with. If anyone else has in the church I wouldnt know unless it becomes public knowledge. His standard is the bible. All that he hears from a source other then the bible , he sifts through Scripture. His standard is the living breathing Word of God.
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ALLFORHIM
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Im sure it is from the catechism:thumbsup: I myself would look in the bible.
for the answer to what faith is. Of course the catechism probably gives an easier answer. As I look in the bible the definition of faith is found throughout scripture and one could probably do a study on it.I guess the easiest stories to understand what faith is is the story of Noah, Abraham, Moses.
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MrS
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Kinda like the Bereans huh??Well, as far as my minister goes I cant give you a specific example because he has not said anything I disagree with. If anyone else has in the church I wouldnt know unless it becomes public knowledge. His standard is the bible. All that he hears from a source other then the bible , he sifts through Scripture. His standard is the living breathing Word of God.
As they were orally taught the Gospel message by St. Paul, and they were reminded of the porphesies of the Messiah, and then were shown the fullfillment (Jesus) of those prophecies, they verified with the OT.
Catholics are taught what has been handed on from the Apostles… and are encouraged to “verify” with the Scriptures.
A Catholic should first be taught from a competent authority who speaks with the voice of the Apostles and their successors… and then certainly verify it with Scripture… OT and NT.
There in lies another difference as asked in the OP:
Protestants, IMHO, read the Scripture first… try to find what it means… and then pass on their interpretation… some times right, some times wrong… but all the time without the competent authority that comes from Jesus, to His Apostles, and to their legitimate successors.
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mrs_abbott
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Especially Abraham being called my God through faith to sacrifice his only son that he waited his whole life for!Im sure it is from the catechism:thumbsup: I myself would look in the bible.
I guess the easiest stories to understand what faith is is the story of Noah, Abraham, Moses.
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VociMike
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That very same Church.
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Kay_Cee
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I take it from this that you believe the Bible is the living breathing Word of God.Well, as far as my minister goes I cant give you a specific example because he has not said anything I disagree with. If anyone else has in the church I wouldnt know unless it becomes public knowledge. His standard is the bible. All that he hears from a source other then the bible , he sifts through Scripture. His standard is the living breathing Word of God.
So I just have to ask: how can a printed document, no matter how inspired, live and breathe? That’s something only a creature can do, and the Bible is not a creature.
See, the Bible cannot stand up and say, “Hey! You misinterpreted me!” A living, breathing person, however, can tell you you’ve misinterpreted what is written.
That’s why we need human beings endowed with authority from God to tell us when we’ve misinterpreted scripture. We need them to tell us when, even if we’ve convinced ourselves we’re guided by the Holy Spirit, that our interpretation is not a correct one. That is why scripture alone is not enough. That is why we need a Magisterium.
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ALLFORHIM
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Hi,
Hebrews 4:11-13 (New American Standard Bible)
11Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
**12For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. **
13And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.
Of course the bible(book)itself is not living. It is the words in it. The words were written by a God who lives. When people read the Words of God(bible) it changes them. Christians are proof of a living God(in the way it changes and affects people) The bible is not just a story but the way God spoke to every generation until the end. So the words live on and constantly change people. Forever and Ever until Christ comes back and Reigns FOREVER. AMEN!!!
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RNRobert
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Of course, was the writer of Hebrews referring to Scripture, or to Jesus Christ, *the *Word of God (John 1:1)?
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ALLFORHIM
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It speaks of both. God’s truth was revealed by Jesus(the incarnate word) but it has also been given verbally, the word referred to here. This dynamic word of God is active in accomplishing God’s purposes.( Ps. 19:7–11, 107:20, 147:15, 18, Isa 40:8, 55:11, Gala 3:8,Eph 5:26, James 1:18, 1Peter 1:23–25).
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jmcrae
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That’s a good verse. It reminds us not to be like Adam and Eve, but to listen to God’s commandments, and obey Him. Belief is not enough. Obedience is absolutely essential.
Of course, the Word of God is Jesus Christ. The idea of the Bible being the word of God had not yet come about. There wasn’t even a canon of the Old Testament yet, let alone a canon of the New Testament.
“He” being Jesus, the Word of God referred to in the previous verse.
That depends on the person, and how receptive they are. There are many atheists who have read the Bible many times - Richard Dawkins is one famous atheist who knows the Bible very, very well. But it hasn’t changed his life, because he isn’t open to that. He looks to other atheists to help him interpret the Bible; not to other Christians, and certainly not to the Church, and so he understands it in a totally different way than we do.
That’s quite true - not only because they read the Bible, but more because, even in the case of those who don’t read the Bible, because they understand the message of the Gospel, no matter how they receive it - whether by reading the Bible, or by listening to good preaching, or by hearing the teachings of the Church, yes, Christians are proof of a living God, because of their dynamic relationship with Him. The Early Christians were like this too, and they didn’t even have a Bible, yet.
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That is because even faith is a gift of God. We cannot even believe without God’s grace to give us faith. Then it is up to us to respond to His grace, grow in our faith, and be obedient to Him.
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