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Your Roman Catholic interpretation of John 6 can easily be refuted with the Jesus own words.
only by those who walked away…

It is a hard saying… not a parable… not in need of “Hey guys, I don’t mean really… even though I said Truly, Truly…”

and Jesus let them walk away, rather than stay and misinterpret for others what He said .

The same Lord who came to us as a fragile infant… ( :bigyikes: what, God is a baby??)

now chooses to come to us even more fragily…

no wonder we should “…be not afraid…” … yet you are.

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This is symptomatic of a larger problem … that of relavativism in essence a denial of an absolute. If there is a denial of the Church’s claim to be the one true Church founded by Christ then all you have left is relavatism.

It is easy to see the results of moral relavatism … look at abortion, divorce and just about anything goes nowadays sexually. It is also easy to see the results of a lack of a better word “spirtual” relativism.

I do not see how a Lutheran, Presbyterian, Baptist, Evangelical, Biblicist, Methodist, JW can argue Scriptural interpretation. I thought that was the point of the reformation that each may enlighten himself free of the absolutes of the Church. They do argue with the Catholic Church but should argue with each other equally for there is no agreement even amongst the protesters. There is if you count “we agree on the essentials” which is short for lets just have a truce. Everyone and anyone can interpret scipture so how can there be a wrong way.

I dont see how a moral relavtivist can argue any person’s behavior is good or bad because the behavior is judged subjectively … against my own moral code not against an absolute moral standard. It is the same with my “spiritual” relativism. It is all just hot air if there is no absolute standard.

So either we are all blowing hot air which is pointless or there has to be a standard of truth with what to compare. The Catholic Church has called itself that standard … have there been any other takers?
 
In a perfect world, every believer would dutifully study the Bible (2 Timothy 2:15) in prayerful dependence upon the Holy Spirit’s illumination.
There are many people whose God-given vocations do not permit them the time to study the Bible every day, or in any depth. For example, no one could doubt that the mother of many children has been gifted by God with her many children, since God has never created anybody by accident - but this busy mother is not going to find the time to sit down and read the Bible, studying it carefully, day after day. Does God forget that He has given her all these children? Or what about a man whose vocation to care for his wife and children means that his job consumes the majority of his waking hours, and the few he has left, he spends playing with his children and talking things over with his wife? Does God forget that He has given this man such a very busy life?
Ask any educator: even the best classroom teacher has his share of wayward students who seem to resist learning, no matter what the teacher does. So, one reason that different people have different interpretations of the Bible is simply that some do not listen to the Teacher.
If these children throw out their teacher, and start reading the text book all by themselves and making their own interpretations about what it says, they won’t do any better, and will probably do a lot worse.
 
Scripture says there is “one Lord, one faith, one baptism” (Ephesians 4:5). This passage emphasizes the unity that should exist in the Body of Christ as we are indwelt by “one Spirit” (verse 4). In verse 3, Paul makes an appeal to humility, meekness, patience, and love—all which are necessary to preserve unity. According to 1 Corinthians 2:10-13, the Holy Spirit knows the mind of God (verse 11), which He reveals (verse 10) and teaches (verse 13) to those whom He indwells. This activity of the Holy Spirit is called illumination.

In a perfect world, every believer would dutifully study the Bible (2 Timothy 2:15) in prayerful dependence upon the Holy Spirit’s illumination. Alas, this is not a perfect world. Not everyone who possesses the Holy Spirit actually listens to the Holy Spirit. There are Christians who grieve Him (Ephesians 4:30). Ask any educator: even the best classroom teacher has his share of wayward students who seem to resist learning, no matter what the teacher does. So, one reason that different people have different interpretations of the Bible is simply that some do not listen to the Teacher. Here are some other reasons for the wide divergence of beliefs among those who teach the Bible:

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Because of free will, a multiplicity of cultures etc. things have gotten quite diverse. This is precisely why Jesus set up ONE Church, and wanted just ONE earthly authority to bind us in faith. The schisms and reformation did horrible damage to Christianity. Moral relativeism, and people’s mistaken belief that they know more than God is hurting things even more. It is my belief that God loves and wants us all to come back under His one Church, and furthermore, I believe it WILL happen in the fullness of time. Those who can not accomplish that on earth, if they proceeded with a pure heart, and were legitimately ignorant of God’s plan, so long as they have proceeded in good faith, have at least followed his commandments, and have done good works for their brothers and sisters are STILL loved and wanted by God. His love and mercy are immeasurable, and nearly impossible for the human mind to comprehend. He is a loving father who has no desire to lose his children. There are many people who simply lack the capacity to grasp the big picture, and will just not see the light due to cultural misguidance, etc., but one can discern the truth if exposed to it. If there are people who don’t have access to the truth due to cultural isolation, improper education, parents, teachers etc., our loving God will of course consider all that as He is eternally considering everything at every moment. God knows what is in a man’s heart. If someone is ignorant through no fault of their own, and still practices the faith by loving the Lord their God with all their heart and soul, and Loving their neighbor as themselves, I can’t imagine that God will destroy or torment their soul eternally. Perhaps the rest of whatever they did not know is worked out in purgatory so long as they continue to use their free will to choose God and his ways, and deny Satan and all his works. The more you know and truly understand of God, the more your are resonsible for your actions on that knowledge. “There is no salvation outside the Church is a true statement”, however, we earthling mortals do not know how long we are allowed to enter His Church. We must ALWAYS choose the right thing, everytime we are brought to another level of choices, and whenever we become cognizant of another aspect of the truth. The Church is the truth. If you are fully aware of the teachings of the Church, and have discerned them to be the truth, and then STILL turn away, you are seriously in danger of the coldness of not being able to see and be in the presence of God. If you have heard the truth, understand it, and live it out in your life, you are on the fast track to being in the warmth of our Lord. It IS only for God to say who is saved, but conversely we CAN be more certain of that salvation, and achieve it in God’s preferred manner by submitting to the perfect teachings of His Church. I KNOW this sound flip floppy but this is very very deep theological stuff we’re discussing here, and it’s even harder to explain than it is to feel and know. I keep praying for the ability to not only feel all this splendor, and rejoice in it personally, and with my Church, but to be able also to convey it to others. To be able to evangalize. I implore anyone with doubts, please go to a Mass and really, deeply and lovingly LISTEN to the liturgy of the Lord. FEEL the incredible power of the REAL presence of Christ entering the bread and the wine. It’s mind blowing. If everyone would just honestly witness all this with an open heart and in a prayerfull state we would not need this forum. There would be no division in our churches. To know Christ fully, to understand the sacraments, and to study Christian history is to become Catholic. Truly. Peace be with you my Brother in Christ.
 
On the essentials, the Bible is abundantly clear. There is nothing ambiguous about the deity of Christ, the reality of heaven and hell, and salvation by grace through faith. On some issues of less import, however, the teaching of scripture is less clear, and this naturally leads to different interpretations. For example, we have no direct biblical command governing the frequency of communion or the structure of church government or the style of music to use. Honest, sincere Christians can have various interpretations of the passages concerning these peripheral issues.
You are absolutely correct that some items are not as well defined so interpretation can be difficult but to assert we are all left to our own devices is suspect. Nowhere in the Bible is a list of essentials listed so all you can say is the Bible has more to say on a subject than another subject. Nothing more since you have not been specifically commanded to do so.

The Constitution is a very short document not all laws are written in it. Any questionable new law is interpreted against an interpretation of the Constitution by the Supreme Court. A body of people is entrusted to do this and there interepretation is binding on us ascitizens. The role of having interpretation handed to us is not something new.

This is part of the role of the Catholic Church … to protect and guide and teach on the interpretation of the Bible. Can you imagine if we all got to interpret the Constitution on our own. Well that is what has happened ir regards to the Bible.

Can’t you tell.
 
So since some biblical interpretations are more vague than others, are we supposed to rely on the Catholic Church to guide us? There’s no other possible way to know the Truth?
I’m asking Catholics to explain this to me, please. :o
 
The only safe harbor is the Catholic Church founded on the Rock Jesus formed through Peter. Drift away from the Bishop of Rome who is the successor to Peter and you’ll only find confusion. Christian unity will only come about when people trust the words of Jesus and unite themselves with the Church he founded. Any other ground is sinking sand – get on the Rock.
 
The only safe harbor is the Catholic Church founded on the Rock Jesus formed through Peter. Drift away from the Bishop of Rome who is the successor to Peter and you’ll only find confusion. Christian unity will only come about when people trust the words of Jesus and unite themselves with the Church he founded. Any other ground is sinking sand – get on the Rock.
Evangelicals sing this in their praise services:
“There is no Rock, there is no God like ours”
So you see, Peter isn’t the Rock; it’s in their songs.
 
The only safe harbor is the Catholic Church founded on the Rock Jesus formed through Peter. Drift away from the Bishop of Rome who is the successor to Peter and you’ll only find confusion. Christian unity will only come about when people trust the words of Jesus and unite themselves with the Church he founded. Any other ground is sinking sand – get on the Rock.
Hi,

So I am suppose to put all my hopes and trust into the CC?
 
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The only safe harbor is the Catholic Church founded on the Rock Jesus formed through Peter. Drift away from the Bishop of Rome who is the successor to Peter and you’ll only find confusion. Christian unity will only come about when people trust the words of Jesus and unite themselves with the Church he founded. Any other ground is sinking sand – get on the Rock.

Hi,

So I am suppose to put all my hopes and trust into the CC?
Yup.

Got a problem wi’that…? 🙂

Seriously,… why would that NOT work for you?
 
but there is no guarantee of illumination! In Acts 8:26-39, when Philip asked the Ethiopian eunuch, “Do you understand what you are reading?” he replied, “How can I, unless someone instructs me?” So, who does have the authority to teach?

2 Peter 1:20 reminds us that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation.
Hi Erich, the eunuch did not have the Holy Spirit when he asked for guidence. Yes, even after we become “saved” we need guidence from pastors and teachers in our faith tradition.

Second, you are simply misquoting Peter and giving a meaning to “private interpretation” that is foreign to Peter’s text. If you don’t understand what Peter is saying I suggest you read the book of Daniel to see how prophecy is given.
 
So to understand scripture one must have (1) proper faith, (2) proper training, (3) proper hermeunetics, (4) proper knowledge of the entirety of scripture, (5) lack of selfishness and pride, (6) proper maturity, and (7) proper emphasis on tradition.

But what Christian would dare claim for himself/herself all of the above? :eek:

No wonder Christ gave us a Church - otherwise we’d all need to be supermen to be Christians!
 
So since some biblical interpretations are more vague than others, are we supposed to rely on the Catholic Church to guide us?
Yes, because Christ established the Church for that very purpose.
There’s no other possible way to know the Truth?
None that I know of. Even when I was totally ignorant of the fact that there was such a thing as the Church - back in the days when I sincerely believed that Jesus had not established any church, but that we are all on our own to figure it out, everything that I knew for sure came ultimately from the Catholic Church - even though I had no idea even that such a thing existed at all, since the Church taught my ancient ancestors, and through the teaching of parent to child throughout the generations, I received the information from my parents - they didn’t know where it came from originally, either, but they knew it was true, so they taught it to me, as well.

Can I say that I had no need of the Church, because my parents taught me? But if it hadn’t been for the Church teaching our ancestors so long ago, they would have had nothing to teach me, so, even though I didn’t even know it existed, I was still taught by the Church, ultimately.

When I finally came into the Church, it was (and still is) amazing to me how much of it is familiar to me from the customs of my family.

Now that I am in the Church, and I can see the Truth clearly, I can discern between what I was taught that is true, and things I was taught that aren’t actually true - and I can find out many new things that I had never fully understood before, too.
 
Hi,

So I am suppose to put all my hopes and trust into the CC?
Rather, in Christ’s promises to the Catholic Church, to protect it from all error, and guide it always in the Truth. (Matthew 16:18; Matthew 28:16-20)
 
Yup.

Got a problem wi’that…? 🙂

Seriously,… why would that NOT work for you?
Because you just told me I should put all my trust into a church made up of fallible people and not Jesus Christ.:eek:
 
Hi Erich, the eunuch did not have the Holy Spirit when he asked for guidence. Yes, even after we become “saved” we need guidence from pastors and teachers in our faith tradition.

Second, you are simply misquoting Peter and giving a meaning to “private interpretation” that is foreign to Peter’s text. If you don’t understand what Peter is saying I suggest you read the book of Daniel to see how prophecy is given.
Hi,

Yes, Peter is talking about the origin of the prophetic word and not with the way men intrepret it after it has been given:thumbsup:
 
So to understand scripture one must have (1) proper faith, (2) proper training, (3) proper hermeunetics, (4) proper knowledge of the entirety of scripture, (5) lack of selfishness and pride, (6) proper maturity, and (7) proper emphasis on tradition.

But what Christian would dare claim for himself/herself all of the above? :eek:

No wonder Christ gave us a Church - otherwise we’d all need to be supermen to be Christians!
Yes and you are right that is why God gave us men who are competent to teach us poor simple folk. Which BTW is not limited to the CC.👍 There are many competent preachers out there using the gifts God gave to them when they were sealed with the Holy Spirit.👍
 
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