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Why are you against equal marriage? I was asked this question and wanted to see what you guys would have answered.
 
I can’t marry my dog.

I can’t marry my brother.

I can’t marry Bob AND Ted.

I can’t marry Sue.

I can’t marry a 10 year old.

But, I love them.

Am I being discriminated against? No.

Only one group is trying to remake their disordered desires into something that is a “right”. Although, these other groups-- such as NAMBLA, those in favor of polygamy, and other disordered ideas of marriage and sexuality-- will plead their case if this particular disorder is successful.
 
Marriage, as a civil institution, is given favored status under the law for the specific purpose of stabilizing society and raising children.

These disordered lifestyles do nothing to stabilize society or raise children up as future productive citizens. Therefore they should not be given preferential tax status, which is the primary advantage of “marriage”. Property rights, inheritance, etc, can be accomplished without “marriage”.

If society is going to confer a status on individuals that gives them a tax and other benefit advantage, society expects a return. This group gives no return. They do not need an incentive to procreate and they do not need tax preferred status to live in the same household.

Edited to add: “equal rights” is a complete red herring. Every adult in this country has the same legal right to marry. The government restricts who can validly join in a “marriage”. The government has that right. They can restrict Billl, Sue, and Ted from joining together in a “marriage” and the tax and other benefits these three receive as a result of attempting to claim that they are all three “married” to each other.
 
1ke said:
I can’t marry my dog.

I can’t marry my brother.

I can’t marry Bob AND Ted.

I can’t marry Sue.

I can’t marry a 10 year old.

But, I love them.

Am I being discriminated against? No.

Only one group is trying to remake their disordered desires into something that is a “right”. Although, these other groups-- such as NAMBLA, those in favor of polygamy, and other disordered ideas of marriage and sexuality-- will plead their case if this particular disorder is successful.
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1ke said:
Marriage, as a civil institution, is given favored status under the law for the specific purpose of stabilizing society and raising children.

These disordered lifestyles do nothing to stabilize society or raise children up as future productive citizens. Therefore they should not be given preferential tax status, which is the primary advantage of “marriage”. Property rights, inheritance, etc, can be accomplished without “marriage”.

If society is going to confer a status on individuals that gives them a tax and other benefit advantage, society expects a return. This group gives no return. They do not need an incentive to procreate and they do not need tax preferred status to live in the same household.

Edited to add: “equal rights” is a complete red herring. Every adult in this country has the same legal right to marry. The government restricts who can validly join in a “marriage”. The government has that right. They can restrict Billl, Sue, and Ted from joining together in a “marriage” and the tax and other benefits these three receive as a result of attempting to claim that they are all three “married” to each other.
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Perfect answer. 👍
 
vjnycguy said:
Why are you against equal marriage? I was asked this question and wanted to see what you guys would have answered.
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My Church which was founded by Jesus who was Truth incarnate. My Church says that so called gay “marriage” is disordered and will lead to much bigger problems within this already disordered secular society. I must remain obedient to my Church. Therefore I am against marriage “equality.”
 
Because I think it is unnatural and does not benefit the population. Also God is against it so their for it must be wrong. Weak logic but that’s all I have
 
1ke said:
I can’t marry my dog.

I can’t marry my brother.

I can’t marry Bob AND Ted.

I can’t marry Sue.

I can’t marry a 10 year old.

But, I love them.

Am I being discriminated against? No.

Only one group is trying to remake their disordered desires into something that is a “right”. Although, these other groups-- such as NAMBLA, those in favor of polygamy, and other disordered ideas of marriage and sexuality-- will plead their case if this particular disorder is successful.
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True dat!👍👍👍
 
Well, it defies nature and everything that I believe. I have been more in touch with my own nature lately and that’s how I know. Well, “realize” is the proper word really, but for some reason, I feel like not using this word so much.
 
1ke said:
Marriage, as a civil institution, is given favored status under the law for the specific purpose of stabilizing society and raising children.

These disordered lifestyles do nothing to stabilize society or raise children up as future productive citizens. Therefore they should not be given preferential tax status, which is the primary advantage of “marriage”. Property rights, inheritance, etc, can be accomplished without “marriage”.

If society is going to confer a status on individuals that gives them a tax and other benefit advantage, society expects a return. This group gives no return. They do not need an incentive to procreate and they do not need tax preferred status to live in the same household.
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A few years ago (2006?) I knew almost nothing about this topic. I happened to find some communities on Livejournal where most people were gays, lesbians and transgendered. Nothing secret or members-only. One thing was striking: the vast majority of their posts was about casual sex and sexual fantasies. Some posted “funny” porn - gay men having sex at various Gay Pride parades. Some told gay bar stories - how they got drunk, how they had sex at the toilet, how angry they were when various “f**ng breeders” dared to invade their space. There were serious talks about gay marriage, too, but I don’t remember reading anything about children and adoption. People were only trying to convince others that to be gay doesn’t equal sodomy and that gay marriage means that gay partners will enjoy the same rights granted to heterosexual couples (inheritance, insurance etc).
My question is: how come that all that universe suddenly disappeared? Instead of those people obsessed with casual sex, now we see only respectable, responsible, serious citizens talking about how much they love children and parenting. Gone are the kinky pics, the tantrums against “breeders”, the jokes about multiple partners and toilets. Now to be gay means Conjugal Fidelity & Best Parenting & Responsibility Towards Society. Can anyone explain me this change?
 
vjnycguy said:
Why are you against equal marriage? I was asked this question and wanted to see what you guys would have answered.
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“Because Holy Mother Church says so.” That’s what I say because to be honest people don’t want to listen and they just want to call me a bigot/homophobe. I just say I am following the Teaching of Christ’s Church. I don’t disagree with My Lord and Saviour
 
The concept of “marriage” as being between one man and one woman has been accepted by all civilized successful societies as far back as recorded history allows us to know.

It should be clear to anyone who truly understands the importance of having a loving mother and father to raise children is the VERY FOUNDATION of a successful society. No society in history has become BETTER by weakening this most basic unit: the heterosexual family.

Nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality spoken of in a positive way. Marriage betweeen a man and a women is, however.

The 4th Commandment is “Honor thy father and mother.” it is not ‘honor thy father and father.’

Romans 1, 18-32 is pretty clear, especially verse 32 for us who are not homosexual.

We must love the sinner but hate the sin. We are called to love one another for the love of God. We have to have compassion and tolerance. But that is not to say we have to enable those who struggle to be able to give in with our approval. We simply cannot encourage sin just because we know sin exists.

Given the historical definition and need to protect marriage AND children, and the limits in the Bible, we should not attempt to call a same sex unions equal to marriage.

Once gay marriage is the law, we will then be required to teach it, to support it, to allow those couples to adopt non-gay children. Such required acts go against our freedom to live according to our religious values. We will be required to act as if our Faith is no longer the most important part of our lives.
 
Because I have no stake in the outcome and don’t care about it.
 
vames said:
A few years ago (2006?) I knew almost nothing about this topic. I happened to find some communities on Livejournal where most people were gays, lesbians and transgendered. Nothing secret or members-only. One thing was striking: the vast majority of their posts was about casual sex and sexual fantasies. Some posted “funny” porn - gay men having sex at various Gay Pride parades. Some told gay bar stories - how they got drunk, how they had sex at the toilet, how angry they were when various “f**ng breeders” dared to invade their space. There were serious talks about gay marriage, too, but I don’t remember reading anything about children and adoption. People were only trying to convince others that to be gay doesn’t equal sodomy and that gay marriage means that gay partners will enjoy the same rights granted to heterosexual couples (inheritance, insurance etc).
My question is: how come that all that universe suddenly disappeared? Instead of those people obsessed with casual sex, now we see only respectable, responsible, serious citizens talking about how much they love children and parenting. Gone are the kinky pics, the tantrums against “breeders”, the jokes about multiple partners and toilets. Now to be gay means Conjugal Fidelity & Best Parenting & Responsibility Towards Society. Can anyone explain me this change?
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You put your best face on when you are asking for something.
 
Why are you putting the burden of truth on us when you’re the ones attempting to change the status quo?
 
What is amazing is how strongly the belief of marriage being a heterosexual endeavor is being pounded. It’s something that everyone just knew was true. A man and a woman were meant for each other. You grow up and find the right person and have a family. It’s as natural as eating and sleeping. Its right and true and the way God and nature intended it to be.

Now days, they are telling us that we’re wrong to believe in what feels right to us. God intended nature to be the way it is and that natural instinct is a part of the fabric of my being. I’m sorry that they are angry but I like the way I am made. I honestly think and feel in my heart that heterosexuality is the only expression of sexuality that should exist.

In a perfect world, there would be no homosexuality. I honestly think that it would be gone along with a great many other things that are prevalent in the world.
 
vames said:
A few years ago (2006?) I knew almost nothing about this topic. I happened to find some communities on Livejournal where most people were gays, lesbians and transgendered. Nothing secret or members-only. One thing was striking: the vast majority of their posts was about casual sex and sexual fantasies. Some posted “funny” porn - gay men having sex at various Gay Pride parades. Some told gay bar stories - how they got drunk, how they had sex at the toilet, how angry they were when various “f**ng breeders” dared to invade their space. There were serious talks about gay marriage, too, but I don’t remember reading anything about children and adoption. People were only trying to convince others that to be gay doesn’t equal sodomy and that gay marriage means that gay partners will enjoy the same rights granted to heterosexual couples (inheritance, insurance etc).
My question is: how come that all that universe suddenly disappeared? Instead of those people obsessed with casual sex, now we see only respectable, responsible, serious citizens talking about how much they love children and parenting. Gone are the kinky pics, the tantrums against “breeders”, the jokes about multiple partners and toilets. Now to be gay means Conjugal Fidelity & Best Parenting & Responsibility Towards Society. Can anyone explain me this change?
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Posts like this amuse me hugely. To see a person take a premise which completely, self evidently false, and ask questions based on that premise, acting like an innocent answer-seeker, is actually rather hilarious.
 
dshix said:
Posts like this amuse me hugely. To see a person take a premise which completely, self evidently false, and ask questions based on that premise, acting like an innocent answer-seeker, is actually rather hilarious.
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I think you misunderstood my post. Perhaps I should have specified that it was a rhetorical question and should have added a :rolleyes:
I agree with what you say here. In fact, I am quite surprised that such discrepancies (toilets etc. vs. this new respectability) aren’t emphasized more. I’m thinking of a documentary about the Stonewall riots, where some guy said: hey, when you organize protests and marches, make sure you put your best clothes on and behave yourselves, because we don’t want to look like “those weird ones”, we should look and talk exactly like straight people. And then the next sequence was about how they were having sex in in the backs of meat-hauling trucks parked near the West Village.
 
GratefulFred said:
Once gay marriage is the law, we will then be required to teach it, to support it, to allow those couples to adopt non-gay children. Such required acts go against our freedom to live according to our religious values. We will be required to act as if our Faith is no longer the most important part of our lives.
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First, what about freedom for the LGB people to marry? Second, Our republic is not based on the bible. The governmet didint have anything to do with marriage until someone wanted to keep blacks and whites from intermarrying, thus the first ever marriage liscense issued in 1870.
 
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