Why aren't liberal environmentalists happy about expensive oil?

[Holly3278]

1.) I am quite happy with gas rising the way it is. I am content with my 42mpg saturn sl It’d have to go up to about $10 a gallon before commuting by bus would be cheaper for me.

Why? You do realize that rising gas prices makes living life much harder for those of us who are in the lower income segment of society right? I mean, for people like my dad, it makes it hard for him because he has to drive 25 miles to work every day. This makes for less money for him to live on.

2.) Nuclear is the cleanest source of energy we have, if we use breeder reactors.

Very true but people are afraid to use nuclear energy because of some of the nuclear accidents that have happened in the past. This is unfortunate because nuclear energy is actually a very safe form of energy.

 

[pathia]

Why? You do realize that rising gas prices makes living life much harder for those of us who are in the lower income segment of society right? I mean, for people like my dad, it makes it hard for him because he has to drive 25 miles to work every day. This makes for less money for him to live on.

Very true but people are afraid to use nuclear energy because of some of the nuclear accidents that have happened in the past. This is unfortunate because nuclear energy is actually a very safe form of energy.

I make $8 an hour currently. Somehow I doubt I’d be considered as rich. I plan my finances very deliberately. You don’t have to make alot of money to use it efficiently.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Why are people who care about the environment liberals? i thought we were called by God to care for the planet? Yet I seem to find that conservative catholics ignore the science and feel it is all a crock. I don’t understand this.

I’m certainly not happy about the prices. They hurt the poor the most and are caused by the rich oil companies. There will be no reduction in prices should drilling be allowed an Anwar, the oil companies will simply sell to the highest bidder and if prices start to fall OPEC will lower production. The only alternative is alternative sources. And this has been called for by “liberals” for more than 20 years and scientists for longer than that. We are simply receiveing what has been predicted for decades. True to form, we do nothing until the last day.

 

[peregrinus_WA]

I didn’t understand why the democratic Senators were so angry at the oil executives during the last hearing. These people all claim to want to reduce the use of oil in order to save the environment. It seems to me that one effective way to reduce the use of a given commodity is to raise the price.

It shows a lot of hypocrisy to claim to want 2 $ per gallon oil and reduce the use of oil simultaneously. That really can’t be done.

Plain and simple. Greed. They are not happy because they are not getting the money in the form of taxes.

 

[wapsi]

The oil Companies make 2 cents per gallon in profit-the Govt 42 cents per gallon-who is “sinning” here"

I’m not sure that there is any sin involved. Certainly government gives us many benefits from the fuel tax, whereas oil companies give us little in return (unless we happen to own oil company stock.)

Why are people who care about the environment liberals? i thought we were called by God to care for the planet?

We all are called to be good stewards of the Earth, which God has entrusted to our care. There are quite a few Evangelicals in the US who are conservative on most issues, but to whom Creation Care is vitally important. Environmentalism does not = liberalism.

 

[estesbob]

I’m not sure that there is any sin involved. Certainly government gives us many benefits from the fuel tax, whereas oil companies give us little in return (unless we happen to own oil company stock.)

We all are called to be good stewards of the Earth, which God has entrusted to our care. There are quite a few Evangelicals in the US who are conservative on most issues, but to whom Creation Care is vitally important. Environmentalism does not = liberalism.

The problem is that most of what the Liberals push forward as creation control is nothing mnore that the same old tired agenda they have been pushing for the last 75 years. Higher taxes, more govt control and regulation, income re- distribtion, population control , etc. They have just sezied on the enviroment as their latest vehicle to try and push their agenda.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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Originally Posted by estesbob
The oil Companies make 2 cents per gallon in profit-the Govt 42 cents per gallon-who is “sinning” here"

I’m not sure that there is any sin involved. Certainly government gives us many benefits from the fuel tax, whereas oil companies give us little in return (unless we happen to own oil company stock.)

Oil companies give us, wait for it, wait for it, OIL! Is that NOT a benefit in your book?

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Originally Posted by SpiritMeadow
Why are people who care about the environment liberals? i thought we were called by God to care for the planet?

We all are called to be good stewards of the Earth, which God has entrusted to our care. There are quite a few Evangelicals in the US who are conservative on most issues, but to whom Creation Care is vitally important. Environmentalism does not = liberalism.

The difference is those “environmentalists” who help to best keep our “nest” (world created FOR US!) both clean and useful TO US, and those “environmentalists” who WORSHIP that which is for us to use wisely for our benefit as a god in it’s own right.

The “bad Enviro-people” are anti-human in orientation.
The “good Enviro-people” are anti-fouling-your-own-nest and pro-human in orientation.

The politicians, with a few exceptions, are neither of these, and are simply pimping-for-votes from the “bad E-people”, whom they oddly think are in the majority, or more correctly, ARE in the very very noisy minority which LOOKS to those morons LIKE the majority.

 

[mlchance]

I’m not sure that there is any sin involved. Certainly government gives us many benefits from the fuel tax, whereas oil companies give us little in return (unless we happen to own oil company stock.)

Oil companies provide a product in exchange for money, just like any other company does. The government, for its part, drives up the cost we pay for oil by excessive taxation. Taxes on consumer goods are not paid for by the companies that provide the goods. Those taxes are paid by the consumers who purchase the goods.

Want lower oil prices? Start by cutting taxes on gasoline.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[ribozyme]

The problem is that most of what the Liberals push forward as creation control is nothing mnore that the same old tired agenda they have been pushing for the last 75 years. Higher taxes, more govt control and regulation, income re- distribtion, population control , etc. They have just sezied on the enviroment as their latest vehicle to try and push their agenda.

But it works… look at Sweden, Norway, and Finland. And Norway has a budget surplus even when we disregard its oil revenue.

derinformant.com/cafeDINL.php5?m=y&id=191

 

[estesbob]

But it works… look at Sweden, Norway, and Finland. And Norway has a budget surplus even when we disregard its oil revenue.

derinformant.com/cafeDINL.php5?m=y&id=191

So we should make US policy based on the experience of three tiny countries with no military to speak of and a homogeneous populace?

 

[ribozyme]

So we should make US policy based on the experience of three tiny countries with no military to speak of and a homogeneous populace?

So who are they going to assail anyway with their military?

 

[edwest2]

Being a ‘liberal environmentalist’ has replaced religion in the lives of some people. And for some, it is the reason they get out of bed in the morning. The ‘struggle’ becomes all consuming. It gives people a sense of power over others. But, sometimes the fight means there is no real interest in a real solution.

Here’s one that would eliminate waste and create energy. Significant amounts of energy:

popsci.com/popsci/flat/bown/2007/innovator_2.html

End the struggle. Stop the fighting. Support positive solutions.

God bless,
Ed

 

[estesbob]

So who are they going to assail anyway with their military?

You are the one comparing them to the US-not me.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Before the Bolshevik coup d’etat succeeded, Lenin was fond of saying “the worse, the better”. Bolsheviks did everything in their power to make life as miserable for the populace as possible, believing he could persuade the people that he and his party were the solution, not the cause.

Right now, it serves the left wing to make life as miserable as possible, then blame it on others, in the belief that people will believe their accession to power will be the solution.

Old tactic. New context.

 

[Al_Masetti]

I didn’t understand why the democratic Senators were so angry at the oil executives during the last hearing. These people all claim to want to reduce the use of oil in order to save the environment. It seems to me that one effective way to reduce the use of a given commodity is to raise the price.

It shows a lot of hypocrisy to claim to want 2 $ per gallon oil and reduce the use of oil simultaneously. That really can’t be done.

I don’t understand either.

After all the libs now control both houses of Congress.

No reason why they can’t pass laws that will correct the problem.

They could have done that a year ago, when they took over Congress, but for some reason they didn’t.

The libs have all the answers but berating some oil company guy doesn’t seem to be having much effect to the positive.

Why don’t the Dems just pass a law ordering lower prices?

If they want to have the government seize the oil companies [which is what Maxine Waters said … I heard her say it], then why didn’t they just do it???

 

[Al_Masetti]

Is it also a sin that they pay tens of billions of dollars in federal taxes?

Is it also a sin that ordinary working folks have pension plans and IRAs and 401(k)s that have oil company stocks that pay large dividends?

 

[ribozyme]

Why don’t the Dems just pass a law ordering lower prices?

If they want to have the government seize the oil companies [which is what Maxine Waters said … I heard her say it], then why didn’t they just do it???

Because it won’t work… legislators cannot conjure up what is not there. At least the high prices have a benefit… it will lower consumption and encourage alternative energy innovation.

This is a serious crisis that needs human ingenuity and not mindless partisan prattle on the virtues of unregulated free markets.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Because it won’t work… legislators cannot conjure up what is not there. At least the high prices have a benefit… it will lower consumption and encourage alternative energy innovation.

This is a serious crisis that needs human ingenuity and not mindless partisan prattle on the virtues of unregulated free markets.

Well, the Democrats go on and on about how they have the solutions … so why don’t they simply solve the problem???

 

[edwest2]

I invite everyone to watch the following:

youtube.com/watch?v=E8gBBEKkbKc&feature=related

God bless,
Ed

 

[ribozyme]

Well, the Democrats go on and on about how they have the solutions … so why don’t they simply solve the problem???

I most certainly do not believe that the Democrats are the universal panacea, but in most cases, they are better than Republicans. Larry Bartel’s new book provides evidence to support that those who are not well off do better under Democratic Presidents. I do not see anything about energy policy that will make me say that the Republicans are an exception in this case.

And the Democrats cannot wave a magic wand putting trillions of barrels of oil in oil fields approaching their peak.