Why Can't Anyone Have A Different Opinion About The Holocaust?

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Gabriel_of_12 said:
Gabriel of 12:

Amen, this comment does not conflict with my opinion, only the short version you posted of what the Pope said. When you shorten the Pope’s quote to just the “crime of hatred” in the “Shoa”, does not justify the action of the hatred in Killing women, children, Christians and Jews. Had you posted his complete statement, you will find that the Pope does not limit the worlds terminolgy of a holocaust or shoa to a select few, but demands attention to all who fell victim to this “Crime of humanity”.

Peace be with you
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I’m very glad that I don’t share you need for insistence of “include all or speak of none.” The fact that the Jewish people were targetted for total annihilation creates a very special and SEPARATE category for their suffering. If you can’t accept and acknowledge that fact - as the Pope does - the problem is yours. That’s very sad.

Most certainly, peace to you.
 
Lil_Cat said:
Serve the red herring but I wasn’t the one that brought it up :rolleyes:

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My post was not a red herring. All I did was copy and paste the text from OneTrueCathApos’ post here: http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4880290&postcount=291

and replace references to the Jews with references to the priest abuse scandal.

I did this because I have experienced how frustrating and hurtful it is to have someone accuse the Catholic Church of being evil because of these priests - to make a generalization of a whole Church because of these priests.

The actions are similar in each post. I find it disingenuous and hurtful to use the Oprah guests as evidence supporting Holocaust revisionism.
 
Ella said:
My post was not a red herring.
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In defense of the Cat, I was the one who called it a red herring. What you are saying is that you used the priest scandal as an analogy. That is different and I missed that it was an analogy. Well, for the record, among Catholic forums, using the priest scandal of the past in this way has been so overdone as to reach mythical proportions it is almost like we need our own Godwin’s Lawfor this.

PS: I learned this linking from the new BB Codes in the Help section. I have been waiting to try it out.
 
pnewton said:
In defense of the Cat, I was the one who called it a red herring. What you are saying is that you used the priest scandal as an analogy. That is different and I missed that it was an analogy. Well, for the record, among Catholic forums, using the priest scandal of the past in this way has been so overdone as to reach mythical proportions it is almost like we need our ownGodwin’s Law for this.

PS: I learned this linking from the new BB Codes in the Help section. I have been waiting to try it out.
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I admit, it wasn’t elegant to use that analogy. But one tiny good fruit of the priest scandal is it put me in the shoes of people of other faiths who I helped lambast on here in the past.

I have been thinking about the ‘specialness’ of the Jews in the Holocaust.

Did Catholics have to wear a special emblem to show they were Catholic during the Nazi era?
Did Poles have to do this? Or any other group than the Jews?

Did the Nazi’s have a ‘Final Solution’ to rid the world of any other group of people besides the Jews?

Here is a good page of information:
holocaust-history.org/jews-central/
 
Ella said:
I admit, it wasn’t elegant to use that analogy. But one tiny good fruit of the priest scandal is it put me in the shoes of people of other faiths who I helped lambast on here in the past.

I have been thinking about the ‘specialness’ of the Jews in the Holocaust.

Did Catholics have to wear a special emblem to show they were Catholic during the Nazi era?
Did Poles have to do this? Or any other group than the Jews?

Did the Nazi’s have a ‘Final Solution’ to rid the world of any other group of people besides the Jews?

Here is a good page of information:
holocaust-history.org/jews-central/
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IIRC, there were requirements for Jehovah’s Witnesses, and possibly homosexuals, to wear the triangles, of different colors. I could be mistaken.

GKC

added.

A little research suggests that this is correct, and that there were several other categories, too.
 
Ella said:
I admit, it wasn’t elegant to use that analogy. But one tiny good fruit of the priest scandal is it put me in the shoes of people of other faiths who I helped lambast on here in the past.

I have been thinking about the ‘specialness’ of the Jews in the Holocaust.

Did Catholics have to wear a special emblem to show they were Catholic during the Nazi era?
Did Poles have to do this? Or any other group than the Jews?

Did the Nazi’s have a ‘Final Solution’ to rid the world of any other group of people besides the Jews?

Here is a good page of information:
holocaust-history.org/jews-central/
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Yes, the central focus of extermination of all Jews stands alone in the history and intent of the Third Reich. For anyone to deny that obvious fact suggests to me that such a one has “issues” re this reality.
 
GKC said:
IIRC, there were requirements for Jehovah’s Witnesses, and possibly homosexuals, to wear the triangles, of different colors. I could be mistaken.

GKC
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True - IN THE CAMPS - but not in life outside (prior to) the camps.
 
catharina said:
True - IN THE CAMPS - but not in life outside (prior to) the camps.
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I do recall that as a distinction. But, I think and certainly wouldn’t insist on it, that it was occasionally required outside the camps.

But it is a small point, if so.

GKC
 
GKC said:
I do recall that as a distinction. But, I think and certainly wouldn’t insist on it, that it was occasionally required outside the camps.

But it is a small point, if so.

GKC
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In movements from camp to camp, yes.

For Jewish people though, required at all times,
prior to camps and in the camps,
until death or liberation - yellow Star of David.
 
catharina said:
I’m very glad that I don’t share you need for insistence of “include all or speak of none.” The fact that the Jewish people were targetted for total annihilation creates a very special and SEPARATE category for their suffering. If you can’t accept and acknowledge that fact - as the Pope does - the problem is yours. That’s very sad.

Most certainly, peace to you.
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catharina said:
I’m very glad that I don’t share you need for insistence of “include all or speak of none.” The fact that the Jewish people were targetted for total annihilation creates a very special and SEPARATE category for their suffering. If you can’t accept and acknowledge that fact - as the Pope does - the problem is yours. That’s very sad.

Most certainly, peace to you.
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Peace be with you catharina; this particular thread was not allowing me to post here for some reason;🤷

You have not heard my opinion or belief’s of the Jewish atrocities. I merely addressed the OP here about the “Holocaust”. IF you know of a term that specifically addresses only the Jewish victims apart from the Woman, Children, Christians and the Ally Volunteer’s who gave up their lives (including some of my family members) to fight against these “Crimes of humanity” then lets hear it here. As another poster, posted a site here, that the Jews do not use the term “holocaust” but “Shoa”. I only ask if the Jews use this term “Shoa” to address only the Jews or do they include the Women, Children and Christians also?

Yes I do acknowledge the Woman and children have different circumstances, the Christians have different circumstances, the Ally Volunteers have different circumstances and the Jews have circumstances that may differ, but the end result was the same “death”. But the OP does not address these individually. It is not fair for you to draw such a conclusion of me, from my posts that have not addressed these.

I believe I have been fair in my opinion between the definition of word “holocaust” and the way the public defines this term. If I were to use the generic term of “Holocaust” in my speech, I include all the victims who were Women, Children, Christians, Jews and Allied Volunteers who gave up their lives to fight against these “Crimes of humanity”. The True definition of “holocaust” does not fit these “Crimes against humanity”.

The Pope’s statement defined the Jewish people’s circumstances due to the Pope’s address and the particular circumstance he found himself in due to a disgrunted priest. If you reread the Holy Father’s statement he never forgets the Women, Children and all others who fell victim to these “Crimes of humanity”. Thus my short opinion does not conflict with the Holy Father’s. Besides the Pope’s discussion does not address the OP here, You are hard pressed to parallel my opinion with Pope’s statement. In any case my opinion does not conflict in any way to the Holy Father’s statement, I hold to his definition of the “Holocaust” as “Crimes of Humanity”.

Peace be with you
 
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