Why Can't Anyone Have A Different Opinion About The Holocaust?

  • Thread starter Thread starter OneTrueCathApos
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Valke2 said:
I think it was the Roman controlled media that convinced the world the Jew had anything to do with the death of Jesus.
Click to expand...
Right because none of the Gospels blame the Jews. every paragraph is about the Romans, and how the Romans yelled to crucify Him, and how the Romans were the chief priests and the Pharisees, so I guess you are right. Not one Jew is mentioned throughout the whole of the Gospels with regards to the death of Christ. The Jews were the loving, gracious people of those days. They would never have anything to do with Jesus’s death. Not one hint of it. Not one.
 
Valke2 said:
I think it was the Roman controlled media that convinced the world the Jew had anything to do with the death of Jesus.
Click to expand...
You will never ever get me to believe this. This is like saying, Hitler had nothing to do with the death of the Jews.
 
Valke2 said:
I think it was the Roman controlled media that convinced the world the Jew had anything to do with the death of Jesus.
Click to expand...
I do not agree, but I do not disagree.

First, when the Gospels say that the Jews did this and the Jews did that, there is no way they were talking about ALL Jewish people. If you read it clearly, it was a very SMALL group of the Jewish leadership and some of those closest to them. Why people see “all of the Jewish People” is beyond me.

Second, you cannot minimize the importance of not making the Romans look too bad when telling the story. Pilot comes across as being wise and thoughtful, not blood thirsty. The Romans as a whole look better. Why would they not? By the time Christianity broke free, the Jews were more hated by Rome than anyone. Why not tell the story to maximize Jewish evil and minimize Roman involvement?
 
I noticed, as I had before Mr. Carnelian that you obviously have a problem with the Gospel of John who emphatically speaks about “The Jews who killed Him”. And so does every other Gospel. If you are so brainwashed with the thoughts that do not coincide with the Gospels, then I feel sorry for you. The Jewish people want you and all of us to think otherwise and I refuse to do that. Almost like a brainwashing. Oh, and I am not an anti-semite but will be labeled as such because I tend to speak the truth. But you will come back and say the church doesn’t teach this, but the church did in fact teach this in the earliest of years. Like I say, I have a right to think what I want as evidence from the NT.
 
According to the Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions (1965) starts out with:
"Even though the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ (John 19:16) etc…Jews cannot be blamed as today with crimes committed during His passion" (#4)…
In other words, you sir are taking the blame totally from the Jews when they did in fact have something to do with Jesus’s death. Both Pilate AND the Jews were responsible for Christ’s death. But Pilate alone? Sorry, didn’t happen.
 
catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15229

Vatican rebuffs Bishop Williamson’s Holocaust apology

Rome, Italy, Feb 27, 2009 / 01:59 pm (CNA).- On Friday, the Vatican’s spokesman discarded an apology from Bishop Richard Williamson over remarks he made diminishing the extent of the Holocaust.

Bishop Williamson, who has been at the center of a storm of controversy due to his comments, issued an apology yesterday.
Reacting to Williamson’s apology, the Vatican’s spokesman, Fr. Federico Lombardi, faulted the bishop for issuing his statement in the form of an open letter. “This is not a letter directed to the Holy Father or to the Pontifical Ecclesia Dei Commission,” Fr. Federico critiqued.

**In his Thursday statement, Bishop Williamson said, “I can truthfully say that I regret having made such remarks, and that if I had known beforehand the full harm and hurt to which they would give rise, especially to the Church, but also to survivors and relatives of victims of injustice under the Third Reich, I would not have made them.” **

He also added that during his interview on Swedish television that he only gave the “opinion …] of a non-historian,” a perspective "formed 20 years ago on the basis of evidence then available, and rarely expressed in public since.

"To all souls that took honest scandal from what I said, before God I apologize," he wrote.

However, Fr. Lombardi stated on Friday that Williamson’s statement fell short of the retraction that the Vatican has asked for.

"The bishop’s statement doesn’t seem to respect the conditions established in the note from the Secretary of State, dated February 4, 2009, which stated that he must also distance himself in an absolute, unequivocal and public manner from his positions regarding the Shoah," Fr. Lombardi said."

Since both John Paul II and Benedict XVI spent their youth living under Nazi oppression to a degree we can’t even imagine, it’s clearly a personal affront to those Popes as well as to those lost in the Holocaust for B. Williamson to cling to his version of revisionist history. (Interesting to note that his “discovery” of exageraration related to the Holocast coincided in time with his own excommunication. Hard to imagine that grace cooperated with such a “discovery.”)
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
According to the Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions (1965) starts out with:
"Even though the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ (John 19:16) etc…Jews cannot be blamed as today with crimes committed during His passion" (#4)…
In other words, you sir are taking the blame totally from the Jews when they did in fact have something to do with Jesus’s death. Both Pilate AND the Jews were responsible for Christ’s death. But Pilate alone? Sorry, didn’t happen.
Click to expand...
Re Pontius Pilate and the Jewish people, please state the Creed that names/blames both.

(At your earliest convenience, of course …)
 
And that’s exactly what I said…🤷 but to add “than any other human being” tells me you don’t watch much news in the wake of the massacres in the Gaza strip.
 
Because you said they are not responsible for ANY human beings deaths when in fact, they are. Right in Gaza today.
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
Right because none of the Gospels blame the Jews. every paragraph is about the Romans, and how the Romans yelled to crucify Him, and how the Romans were the chief priests and the Pharisees, so I guess you are right. Not one Jew is mentioned throughout the whole of the Gospels with regards to the death of Christ. The Jews were the loving, gracious people of those days. They would never have anything to do with Jesus’s death. Not one hint of it. Not one.
Click to expand...
Except the Jews who were yelling “Crucify him, crucify him” represent us, the living, every single one of us. What do you think is the purpose of the congregation taking that role during the Passion on Palm Sunday?

That portion represents every single person in the world, which is the point of having the congregation yelling “Crucify him, crucify him” on Palm Sunday, because that’s exactly what we do every time we sin.

Somehow, though, you are trying to transform into a slur on the Jewish people. Why don’t you break out all the old slurs while you’re at it?
 
catharina said:
Won’t be doing research at your direction.

Again: Re Pontius Pilate and the Jewish people, please state the Creed that names/blames both.

In a similar vein, your name? OneTrueCatholicApostolic is quite the distortion of One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic or have I simply misunderstood something about your name?
Click to expand...
Well then why ask me where I got my source from? 🤷 And as Jesus would say "What’s it to you anyway?"
 
Lujack said:
Except the Jews who were yelling “Crucify him, crucify him” represent us, the living, every single one of us. What do you think is the purpose of the congregation taking that role during the Passion on Palm Sunday?

That portion represents every single person in the world, which is the point of having the congregation yelling “Crucify him, crucify him” on Palm Sunday, because that’s exactly what we do every time we sin.

Somehow, though, you are trying to transform into a slur on the Jewish people. Why don’t you break out all the old slurs while you’re at it?
Click to expand...
The Jews back then **DID NOT **represent me or anyone else. They represented themselves and their High Priests.
I’d love to break out the old slurs but I don’t have the time…😃
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
Well then why ask me where I got my source from? 🤷 And as Jesus would say "What’s it to you anyway?"
Click to expand...
In reverse order:

What’s it to me?
I loathe it when any Catholic distorts the truth.

Your source?
Can’t imagine it. You’re in opposition to every Creed that’s in common use by the Church today and I’m clarifying that fact for anyone who has read your ‘stuff.’

Your name?
Can’t imagine it either.

Americancatholic.org.
Wonderful site. Franciscan site.
Can’t imagine it supports your distortion.

Simple response form YOU would clarify.
You won’t or can’t clarify. Your choice.

PS - awaitng your source on “Jesus said”
‘what’s it to you anyway.’
Won’t hold my breath though.
 
catharina said:
In reverse order:

What’s it to me?
I loathe it when any Catholic distorts the truth.

Your source?
Can’t imagine it. You’re in opposition to every Creed that’s in common use by the Church today and I’m clarifying that fact for anyone who has read your ‘stuff.’

Your name?
Can’t imagine it either.

Americancatholic.org.
Wonderful site. Franciscan site.
Can’t imagine it supports your distortion.

Simple response form YOU would clarify.
You won’t or can’t clarify. Your choice.
Click to expand...
**What is your problem? I have given you what you asked for, yet you keep beating me up as a fellow Catholic. You keep insisting a “Creed” be used in the making of the Jews and Pilate, you really don’t know what you are talking about. What is my distortion? You are a strange character…:whacky: **
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
The Jews back then **DID NOT **represent me or anyone else. They represented themselves and their High Priests.
I’d love to break out the old slurs but I don’t have the time…😃
Click to expand...
Then why does the congregation play that role on Palm Sunday? Why are we the ones yelling “Crucify him, crucify him”?
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
**What is your problem? I have given you what you asked for, yet you keep beating me up as a fellow Catholic. You keep insisting a “Creed” be used in the making of the Jews and Pilate, you really don’t know what you are talking about. What is my distortion? You are a strange character…:whacky: **
Click to expand...
  1. Your link did not work.
  2. Entering the site another way, I will not search for a newsletter.
I’m insisting that you, as a fellow Catholic, document whatever has led you to stand in oppoisition to Church Teaching. SIMPLE.
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
Right because none of the Gospels blame the Jews. every paragraph is about the Romans, and how the Romans yelled to crucify Him, and how the Romans were the chief priests and the Pharisees, so I guess you are right. Not one Jew is mentioned throughout the whole of the Gospels with regards to the death of Christ. The Jews were the loving, gracious people of those days. They would never have anything to do with Jesus’s death. Not one hint of it. Not one.
Click to expand...
Oh,my goodness.Your motive finally revealed.You’re absolutely right.I call for an immediate pogrom-it’s time those Christ-killers truly paid.!!!

I killed Christ.You killed Christ.He killed Christ.She killed Christ.WE KILLED CHRIST.All of us.Remember that Christ was a Jew.Mary-a Jew.Joseph and the Apostles ALL Jews.The first Christians were Jews.In a sense ALL Catholics and Protestants ARE Jews.You are revealing VOLUMES about yourself.Please pray for guidance.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top